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Squeenix Best Final Fantasy

Which Final Fantasy is the best?


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Tigranes

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It was a whole thing to play golden age FFs as a kid, be blown away by the music, and then a few years later realise how many of his best tunes are (1) lightly remixed and reused across half a dozen games - I remember thinking dude had a stellar run but it was time to go or take a break after FF9 - and (2) adapted / inspired / sometimes pretty similar versions of composers like Bach, Brahms or even Stravinsky. Rather than the plagiarism angle, I think it's interesting - and quite exciting in some ways - that you could, for example, end up with a Bach remix/pastiche as a good backing track for a 3D RPG casino.

Anyway I have defended FF9's honour here for the past decade and will continue to do so, you barbarians
 

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Gimme low-res art with limited palette and bleeps and bloops — I want computer games to be like, well, computer games.
I certainly recommend playing the original versions of any of the Final Fantasy games on the NES/Famicom or Super NES/Famicom.
It's particularly impressive how they managed to attain such a high quality of music given the technical limitations of those consoles, and Nobuo Uematsu established himself by Final Fantasy VI as the best composer for videogames of any kind on any system. +M
 

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You'll be missing out then.



Well, not in the case of FF5 & 6. Still very much early hardware restricted sound and look, but the music is masterful in those games too. Uematsu the industry's finest.

I prefer originals to polished/uprezzed/HD-ified remakes and remasters, that's all I'm saying. If I play FF IX, I'll play the PlayStation version, of course.
 
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Gimme low-res art with limited palette and bleeps and bloops — I want computer games to be like, well, computer games.
I certainly recommend playing the original versions of any of the Final Fantasy games on the NES/Famicom or Super NES/Famicom.
It's particularly impressive how they managed to attain such a high quality of music given the technical limitations of those consoles, and Nobuo Uematsu established himself by Final Fantasy VI as the best composer for videogames of any kind on any system. +M
That's a tall claim and you made me curious. We'll see if he'll be able to dethrone Rob Hubbard famous for his C64 SID work from that very title.
 
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It was a whole thing to play golden age FFs as a kid, be blown away by the music, and then a few years later realise how many of his best tunes are (1) lightly remixed and reused across half a dozen games - I remember thinking dude had a stellar run but it was time to go or take a break after FF9 - and (2) adapted / inspired / sometimes pretty similar versions of composers like Bach, Brahms or even Stravinsky. Rather than the plagiarism angle, I think it's interesting - and quite exciting in some ways - that you could, for example, end up with a Bach remix/pastiche as a good backing track for a 3D RPG casino.

Anyway I have defended FF9's honour here for the past decade and will continue to do so, you barbarians
This is a given. Most jrpg music composers are just frustrated prog rockers and metalheads. Uematsu in particular wishes he was Keith Emerson, but it's not a negative criticism.
 

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It was a whole thing to play golden age FFs as a kid, be blown away by the music, and then a few years later realise how many of his best tunes are (1) lightly remixed and reused across half a dozen games - I remember thinking dude had a stellar run but it was time to go or take a break after FF9 - and (2) adapted / inspired / sometimes pretty similar versions of composers like Bach, Brahms or even Stravinsky. Rather than the plagiarism angle, I think it's interesting - and quite exciting in some ways - that you could, for example, end up with a Bach remix/pastiche as a good backing track for a 3D RPG casino.

Anyway I have defended FF9's honour here for the past decade and will continue to do so, you barbarians
This is a given. Most jrpg music composers are just frustrated prog rockers and metalheads. Uematsu in particular wishes he was Keith Emerson, but it's not a negative criticism.

Yes, I would welcome frustrated prog rockers as game composers any day, especially over the Jeremy Soule Factory
 

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Started listening to the original SNES soundtrack of FF IV and first I thought I was listening to some retro-remake or because of the overall smooth sound and the reverb/echo (the Amiga's Paula produced a significantly grainier sound full of aliasing, which lent it its character, nonetheless, and had no DPS, neither fine-grained panning).

Then I watched this video about the SNES's sound capabilities, and it turns out it had 8-channel sound and a built-in DSP for spatial effects. Quite impressive for an early 90s game console!

The soundtrack is quite nice, indeed, and the classical / prog influences are clearly recognisable.



 

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What's the best version of "The Prelude" anyways? It's in all the classic FF games.

It may just be 4. Music is the one thing I'll give that game credit for. Uematsu never disappoints.

Gimme low-res art with limited palette and bleeps and bloops — I want computer games to be like, well, computer games.
I certainly recommend playing the original versions of any of the Final Fantasy games on the NES/Famicom or Super NES/Famicom.
It's particularly impressive how they managed to attain such a high quality of music given the technical limitations of those consoles, and Nobuo Uematsu established himself by Final Fantasy VI as the best composer for videogames of any kind on any system. +M
That's a tall claim and you made me curious.
It's straight fact. There's a lot of great game music out there, particularly in the 90s, but 90s FF is just a league of its own in many ways, and music is for sure one of them.

I prefer originals to polished/uprezzed/HD-ified remakes and remasters, that's all I'm saying. If I play FF IX, I'll play the PlayStation version, of course.
Absolutely go with the originals with this series. Playstation only in the case of 7/8/9. SNES for 5/6. A lot of the alt. releases have some serious decline, notably to music as one example. Another reason to go with the originals is that they have the :obviously: romhacks.
 
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Started listening to the original SNES soundtrack of FF IV...
I will never understand this habit. Wouldn't it make more sense to hear the music for the first time in the game itself? Otherwise, the impact is lessened for no real reason at all.
 

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When we're saying the music is the best shit ever, we can't blame him for getting curious.
It's OK to dabble. A few songs, once each. But otherwise a strict NO for the reason you stated. That's my rule for game music anyway. People will nonetheless act in declined ways and I can't stop them sadly. Like Rincewind taking a special interest in 4 for instance...because he is an oldfag and Zed is an oldfag so they will be old and gay together. Forget 4, it's a non-game. Forget the first three, utterly redundant. I expect oldfags to have standards. I hold nothing against the nu age kids because they have zero exposure to the old ways. Start with 5 you degen! :smug:

Storyfags...I will have to learn to accept and appreciate them one day I guess.
 
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It was a whole thing to play golden age FFs as a kid, be blown away by the music, and then a few years later realise how many of his best tunes are (1) lightly remixed and reused across half a dozen games - I remember thinking dude had a stellar run but it was time to go or take a break after FF9 - and (2) adapted / inspired / sometimes pretty similar versions of composers like Bach, Brahms or even Stravinsky. Rather than the plagiarism angle, I think it's interesting - and quite exciting in some ways - that you could, for example, end up with a Bach remix/pastiche as a good backing track for a 3D RPG casino.
Never speak ill of the Sensei.

(1) nothing wrong with a little remixing. Especially when you're producing 5 hours worth of music per game! That's absurd and well above any other artist, in the video game industry and outside of it (an album average is 45 min. Movie soundtrack 30 mins). You barbarian.
(2) every human on this earth draws inspiration from somewhere. We're incapable without.

Bow down, peasant. :smug:
 

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Started listening to the original SNES soundtrack of FF IV...
I will never understand this habit. Wouldn't it make more sense to hear the music for the first time in the game itself? Otherwise, the impact is lessened for no real reason at all.
You assume I'm a 20-year-old with perfect musical memory. I'm flattered. Rest assured, my mind is like a sieve and I will have zero recollection of the music by the time I get around playing these games...

Generally I agree with you, though, but I just listened to some tracks for 15 mins. And there was a very real reason, namely curiosity :)
 

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Forget 4, it's a non-game. Forget the first three, utterly redundant. I expect oldfags to have standards. I hold nothing against the nu age kids because they have zero exposure to the old ways. Start with 5 you degen!
The original Final Fantasy is quite short relative to VI through X, which are all about 40 hours, and is essential for establishing the baseline from which the rest of the series developed.

Even Final Fantasy IV is perhaps half the length of those later games, and IMHO has the 2nd best soundtrack in the entire series.
 

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Forget 4, it's a non-game. Forget the first three, utterly redundant. I expect oldfags to have standards. I hold nothing against the nu age kids because they have zero exposure to the old ways. Start with 5 you degen!
The original Final Fantasy is quite short relative to VI through X, which are all about 40 hours, and is essential for establishing the baseline from which the rest of the series developed.
A waste of time. Just as playing Wolfenstien 3D (Doom v0.5) is a complete waste of time when you can play Doom or late 90s shooters. It has nothing unique or special of its own to offer, and is kind of mind-numbingly boring. This is analogous to early FF. Especially when V onwards are thrice the games the first 4 are in every regard.

Perhaps just ignore me, I'm a 90s kid and grew up with the industry's finest as the standard. Going back to early FF (and many other 80s games) was just an exercise in tedium. But I do make some exceptions e.g Super Mario Bros 3 is the best Mario game of all time. I didn't find even remotely that same level of depth, polish and engagement in other 80s games.

Edit: whoa, Heroquest was made in 1989? I didn't know that. What are your thoughts on it, Zed, as the "RPG guy"?
 
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Uematsu did some tracks for FF11, including the intro cinematic music, and the music that plays during the climax of the base game storyline when the Shadowlord falls on his knees. There is also some other good music from FF11 that wasn't by Uematsu, like the login music (and the slower cutscene reprise of it that played at the end of a storyline), Sand'Oria (I really liked the solemn part that plays at 1:55 especially in the context of this elven nation having been at the forefront of the war against the Beastman and its sister kingdom having fallen), President Karst's office in Bastok, the Tarutaru forest kingdom music, and a few zone themes like Gustaberg (that desert was a good starting zone for the game, you got that lonely feel of traversing a huge, devestated world and stumbling across other people in it) or Rolanberry Fields (sad, you feel the ruination that the war has brought upon the realm). Battle theme #2 made those difficult pulls exciting. I also liked the boat music, and the airship music, and both Jeuno themes. The mog house music was also comfy but I preferred the arrange version of it, and the mog resort music.

There might be more good music in there but I never made it past the Zillart expansion.
 

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Started listening to the original SNES soundtrack of FF IV...
I will never understand this habit. Wouldn't it make more sense to hear the music for the first time in the game itself? Otherwise, the impact is lessened for no real reason at all.
You assume I'm a 20-year-old with perfect musical memory. I'm flattered. Rest assured, my mind is like a sieve and I will have zero recollection of the music by the time I get around playing these games...

Generally I agree with you, though, but I just listened to some tracks for 15 mins. And there was a very real reason, namely curiosity :)
Sounds tough. I can't relate at all, despite not really being young anymore.

Curiosity, eh? I guess you did stay young in some way. :P

Like Rincewind taking a special interest in 4 for instance...because he is an oldfag and Zed is an oldfag so they will be old and gay together. Forget 4, it's a non-game. Forget the first three, utterly redundant. I expect oldfags to have standards. I hold nothing against the nu age kids because they have zero exposure to the old ways. Start with 5 you degen! :smug:
I guess it depends on the reason(s) you play the games. If one wonders how the series changed over time, it's not necessarily a bad decision. As for me, I had the time and I prefer to tackle series (whether it's games, books etc) chronologically. But like I said before, I-III are too generic to really matter but if one has nothing better to do...why not?
 

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I guess it depends on the reason(s) you play the games. If one wonders how the series changed over time, it's not necessarily a bad decision. As for me, I had the time and I prefer to tackle series (whether it's games, books etc) chronologically. But like I said before, I-III are too generic to really matter but if one has nothing better to do...why not?
I'm certainly the chronological type of guy too, yeah. We'll see how I enjoy those games. By the way, I'm interested in researching trends, seeing the evolution of games / the genre, learning more about those 80s consoles, appreciating the pixel art and the music, etc. Approaching things this way goes beyond focusing on *just* the particular, if you know what I mean. So there's lots of enjoyment to be had (for me) even if the actual game/gameplay is average.
 

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I guess it depends on the reason(s) you play the games. If one wonders how the series changed over time, it's not necessarily a bad decision. As for me, I had the time and I prefer to tackle series (whether it's games, books etc) chronologically. But like I said before, I-III are too generic to really matter but if one has nothing better to do...why not?
I'm certainly the chronological type of guy too, yeah. We'll see how I enjoy those games. By the way, I'm interested in researching trends, seeing the evolution of games / the genre, learning more about those 80s consoles, appreciating the pixel art and the music, etc. Approaching things this way goes beyond focusing on *just* the particular, if you know what I mean. So there's lots of enjoyment to be had (for me) even if the actual game/gameplay is average.
It always depends on the person but at some point one has to look for other things to draw out of a game. If one has played as many games as I have, it's always a "been there, done that". And while gameplay-only works fine if you are a kid/younger, at some point, one will grow tired of it, unless one can stomach inane repetition (I can't). So there has to be something else, like a somewhat unique story, interesting characters...or maybe one plays it from a more removed perspective, like looking at the trends, changes etc that you mentioned. And that certainly works for shorter games that don't take 50 hours but even then, at some point, one might not be able to stomach it any more. Obviously, it also depends on the frequency and how much one plays per day. In the case of Final Fantasy, 4+ is fine, as the themes, characters and the story can carry it decently enough. But for the games before that, it's more difficult.
I guess to make my point more clear, one would have to look at the Fire Emblem Series, or the Super Robot Taisen one. Those games take a long time to complete, are generally low in the story-to-gameplay ratio and are really easy. So if you played like 3-4 of them, it's difficult to continue doing so, especially if the story is similar to previous games (in the case of Super Robot Taisen). It's also why I have no love for Fallout Tactics: Brotherhood of Steel, as I didn't see a point to it. I've had that gameplay in games before and those offered story at least while the Tactics game was just drab. Though, to be fair, one of the main issues is the time frame of playing these games. Originally, they were released then and a year or two later, another game followed. So, ideally, one played those games with a buffer in between and was able to appreciate the difference more, also in connection with other games released around that time. Playing games now, with knowledge of the future and possibly a lack of such a buffer drags the experience down, unfortunately.

That being said: The Japanese gaming scene is generally the most interesting one, in my opinion. As a European, I know about the uniqueness of German, French and British games and I obviously know the general American style but the Japanese have Western ideas presented in their unique Japanese way and then also completely unique Japanese experiences. They had their own computers, their focus on the strengths of those which were different to the ones here, the stronger tie-ins between the rest of the media and games, an often more professional way of doings things due to companies unrelated to gaming branching out into it, a way stronger doujin (aka indie) scene than what we had here etc. Though, in the last couple of years I've soured a bit on it due to Western "journalists"/know-it-alls shining more light onto it which invited casuals to take notice of it...which is a bad thing. The expansion of retro-game-collecting was another blow to the whole scene. To post an anology: We went from watching and admiring the field to this: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-tulip-fields-barriers-tourists-selfie-takers
 

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Weird to call out 4 as a "Non game" when it's probably the first game that got everything in the final fantasy "template".

why must people be so blind? It's obvious the majority of you are storyfaggots with no standards in anything as long as there are pretty pixels and a cute story. Same decline over in the Chrono Trigger thread. Sure, "everything" is present if you ignore gameplay entirely. It was 5 that set the true baseline for standards moving forward, and for the first time, where Final Fantasy actually became a good game.

Here it is again:

5 is everything 1-4 did in one package, but with actually good gameplay and improved presentation. Makes the first 4 games entirely redundant outside of curiosity. Sets the standard for gameplay in the games to come: now they actually have quality level design, plenty optional content and side quests, puzzle elements, engaging exploration and navigation challenge, fun moderately complex RPG systems, combat strategy that extends beyond absolute basic concepts. Notably, this one also has decent combat challenge which is the last time that's really consistently true for the series. There's mods for that. You probably should start with the series here.
Also 5 for the first time has story events that frequently feed into unique awesome gameplay, like where you have 10 minutes to escape Karnak Castle (and grab as much loot as you can) before it burns to the ground. Another thing that becomes standard. This is great as it tests your navigation skills, risk vs reward (you can't get all the loot), your general smarts (e.g minimize menu time during this event), if you explored Karnak castle prior you have an advantage as you know the layout. Maybe you could even draw a map, eh? Tests your understanding of combat (finishing battles quickly, smoke bomb item, flee command, or otherwise running away), and keeping stocked on HP while doing all this.
GOOD GAMEPLAY. It matters not to low standards cucks sadly :negative:

4 is just a basic story and barebones combat game, and in regards to gameplay entirely removed from the games that came after. Even 1-3 have more in common e.g 3 job system, 1's mazes and exploratory overworld, 2's experimental systems.

I guess it depends on the reason(s) you play the games. If one wonders how the series changed over time, it's not necessarily a bad decision. As for me, I had the time and I prefer to tackle series (whether it's games, books etc) chronologically. But like I said before, I-III are too generic to really matter but if one has nothing better to do...why not?
I'm certainly the chronological type of guy too, yeah. We'll see how I enjoy those games. By the way, I'm interested in researching trends, seeing the evolution of games / the genre, learning more about those 80s consoles, appreciating the pixel art and the music, etc. Approaching things this way goes beyond focusing on *just* the particular, if you know what I mean. So there's lots of enjoyment to be had (for me) even if the actual game/gameplay is average.
As a cRPG dungeon crawler guy, I would be surprised if you can stomach it. Because FF1-4 have below average gameplay and are dead-simple. It's a massive jump in 5, wherein it has above average gameplay.
 
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I guess it depends on the reason(s) you play the games. If one wonders how the series changed over time, it's not necessarily a bad decision. As for me, I had the time and I prefer to tackle series (whether it's games, books etc) chronologically. But like I said before, I-III are too generic to really matter but if one has nothing better to do...why not?

There is always something better to do than play low quality games. Playing high quality games instead, for instance. I could recommend you many.
 

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I guess it depends on the reason(s) you play the games. If one wonders how the series changed over time, it's not necessarily a bad decision. As for me, I had the time and I prefer to tackle series (whether it's games, books etc) chronologically. But like I said before, I-III are too generic to really matter but if one has nothing better to do...why not?

There is always something better to do than play low quality games. Playing high quality games instead, for instance. I could recommend you many.
That's one of the issues with series. A decent number of people don't want to miss anything (myself included), so even when it's not directly connected (and just has some references etc), it's really hard to pass it up. Obviously, I would agree with the Romance of the Three Kingdoms series or, to be more extreme, the FIFA Football one. With something like Ultima or Wizardry, I would always start with the very first game.
 

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So instead of just watching the original The Predator and then moving on to equally great things elsewhere like a sensible person, you also watch all the utter shit that came after? You people are weird. People are weird. I only sort by quality. That's what I don't want to miss out on. That is the only logical operation to follow. I try my best to filter what is :obviously: by reading multiple reviews etc to avoid wasting time with low quality garbage. I don't give a crap how interconnected a series or franchise is. It's all irrelevant if not quality. Obviously I still stumble into decline all the time as it is very hard to filter, but yeah, I try my best.

The only 80s Ultima game I would even give a chance to is what is considered the absolute best, and based on my own research to filter storyfag opinion from gameplay prestige. MAYBE I would play that one. But probably not, as RPGs branched and refined a lot in the 90s.
As it stands, the only Ultima game I have played is Ultima Underworld, which is also not a true Ultima game. I only played this game because later games in its lineage (SS2, Deus Ex, Arx Fatalis) were such high quality that I had very high expectations for older games by those devs/concepts. Same with FF. I only played 1-4 because very high standards set by later games. The difference though, is Ultima Underworld wasn't too far off those standards, was a good game in its own right, and even in some small ways was better. FF1-4 not at all. Almost nothing to offer of their own over better games. They are low quality RPGs. Barely even RPGs at all for that matter. A stark contrast to the genius that came after.
 
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So instead of just watching the original The Predator and then moving on to equally great things elsewhere like a sensible person, you also watch all the utter shit that came after? You people are weird. People are weird. I only sort by quality. That's what I don't want to miss out on. That is the only logical operation to follow. I try my best to filter what is :obviously: by reading multiple reviews etc to avoid wasting time with low quality garbage. I don't give a crap how interconnected a series or franchise is. It's all irrelevant if not quality. Obviously I still stumble into decline all the time as it is very hard to filter, but yeah, I try my best.
Not at all, as, like I mentioned, I stopped playing X-2 (despite basically never abandoning a game) and as such everything that came afterwards...even though I originally intended to play XII too. So stopping a series midway is fine, if it becomes too tedious or declines too much in quality. As for movies/TV series....I basically stopped watching TV when I was 16. So none of that applies.
 

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