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Archibald

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Yeah, Belgium about to incline gaming. Imagine that.

Some people theorize that this is also why Disney suddenly axed their partnership with Gazillion Entertainment, supposedly one of their games targeted at kids was used as prime example of gambling.
 

Archibald

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Sorry for double post. Was reading Gamasutra's article on this and one comment is rather interesting, basically it is by developer (probably analyst would be better term, but who cares) who has been working on F2P for years and was pushing for ethical F2P models. Those who read Gamasutra somewhat regularly probably know that he has been saying for couple of years now that bad shit is going to happen soon, and well looks like has been proven right. Anyway, his comment:

I advised the EU in 2013 that these were gambling mechanics, and showed them how they were being deployed by companies like Disney to very young children. At the time the UK was spearheading regulation for the EU. Now that the UK is in flux, it looks like the EU is leaving it up to Belgium to take this on. The EU will ban this content, certain large Western companies will try to find ways around it, and the EU will not mess around. They will sanction.

If you are a regular reader here at Gamasutra, then you've known this was coming for years. Major companies (that don't seem to follow the news) have been acquiring labor assets and equipment to optimize their gambling operations and that means they are going to be even slower to adapt to the changing environment. Sure, your virtual world was a lucrative place to drop a casino, but there are children in your games unless you want to make your games adult only, which I don't know of any gaming company that wants to do that.

On a personal note, I'm kinda looking forward to playing games again, without having to walk through a casino to get to them.

The specific game I showed regulators in 2013 at the ICPEN summit was Marvel Super Hero Squad Online, a game made for Disney by Gazillion Entertainment, with overt gambling mechanics (including a roulette wheel) aimed at very young children that may not even be of reading age. As I hinted at last week, I suspect someone tipped Disney off to this ruling in advance and the Disney/Gazillion breakup was damage control, four years late.

If you look at the link to the VTM article, you will see that European parents are waking up to news reports showing Star Wars Battlefront 2 (with some amazing animation btw) along with the included gambling mechanics and interviews with regulators. This is an amazing amount of free advertising for both Disney and EA, but not the kind they want. This must be catastrophic news for both companies and (as I've been hinting this year) I think you will see that the financial forecasts for both companies were optimistic because they did not anticipate this happening despite it being four years in the making.

This bewilders me since when I gave my report to the ICPEN in Panama in 2013, the vice president of Disney was sitting three feet from me. I had dinner with her the previous evening. As soon as she was done with her presentation calling for "industry self-regulation" (and we can see clearly what that means) the German chief regulator started asking her why there were gambling mechanics in her products for young children and she fled the conference immediately. The writing was on the wall, I don't understand why they waited for the EU to torpedo their product line and brand image.

When I got back to the USA after the ICPEN summit, I was asked to present at GDC 2014. I was double approved for a talk on children's monetization, the ICPEN summit, and pending regulation. A panel on monetization ethics that I was on was also double approved. Then at the last moment both were cancelled without explanation. People keep asking me why I don't talk at GDC, and this is why. The gaming industry correction I have been warning of is about to double down, but it didn't have to be this way. Even games without gambling mechanics will be affected as parents, media, and legislators begin to demonize our industry and make alternate purchase decisions.

So yay in a way, but get ready for whole industry to get fucked in the ass.
 

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judging where most of DLC for fallout went and general trend of gaming is going Next Scrolls will be more about building your base and some sandbox gameplay than something like skyrim.

As much as i hate betsheda output since morrowind going into sandbox area for fallout and scrolls would be much better than letting them do roleplaying game with shitty writing and shitty quests.

I spend shitload of time playing forts mod for FNV and did spend a lot of time doing exact same thing in Fallout4 (which betsheda shamelesly copied from mod to FNV) which is one of reasons why unlike F3 i actually don't hate it as much despite story and quest being even worse than Fallout 3 and i had actual fun playing it (just not as RPG game though).

It would be weird if next Besheda RPGs would be all about sandbox and giving players choice. It would be such a weird thing to not hate them so much lol.
Possibly not. Bethesda now has Chris Avellone to contract for Fallout games, and Emil seems burned out on trying to appease the videogame audience. It's entirely possible that Bethesda will have Avellone handle the writing for Fallout, though whether he would accept such a difficult task is another matter entirely.
 

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The original Doom came out over 20 years ago, and by now it's pretty dated. This mod brings Doom up to modern triple-A videogame standards. How? By adding random Loot Boxes, of course!

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https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=58499

The original Doom came out over 20 years ago, and by now it's pretty dated. This mod brings Doom up to modern triple-A videogame standards. How? By adding random Loot Boxes, of course!

How it Works
Weapons and powerups are removed from the map, and will sometimes be replaced with crates. All enemies have a small chance of dropping a key. Use a key to open a crate and get a random weapon or powerup.

Download it if you want

lol

 

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https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=58499

The original Doom came out over 20 years ago, and by now it's pretty dated. This mod brings Doom up to modern triple-A videogame standards. How? By adding random Loot Boxes, of course!

How it Works
Weapons and powerups are removed from the map, and will sometimes be replaced with crates. All enemies have a small chance of dropping a key. Use a key to open a crate and get a random weapon or powerup.

Download it if you want

lol


Holy Shit! Quad Quad Shotguns! My life is complete!
Thank you! Lootbox Mod video.
 
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https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=58499

The original Doom came out over 20 years ago, and by now it's pretty dated. This mod brings Doom up to modern triple-A videogame standards. How? By adding random Loot Boxes, of course!

How it Works
Weapons and powerups are removed from the map, and will sometimes be replaced with crates. All enemies have a small chance of dropping a key. Use a key to open a crate and get a random weapon or powerup.

Download it if you want

lol



Disappointed that there is no way to buy keys.

Should have had a paypal link and integrated Honor System DRM, where players can tell the game how many keys they should start with according to what they paid for.
 

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Fuck CDPR and Obsidian. CDPR are a bunch of story fags and Obsidian hasn't made a good game since New Vegas, even New Vegas is questionable.
This is clearly about business practices, not quality of the games themselves.
Even then, including Obsidian was likely done mostly because it was hard to find any other publisher with good practices like CDPR. Rather non-sensical inclusion really. Like they were gonna start selling mods/lootboxes for PoE or something.
Paradox would have made more sense, but then I hear they're not really great in that respect either, just not as bad as the big boys. Might be wrong though. I never really played any of their stuff.
 

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Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag.
Paradox were great once, until they realized how rich you can get my releasing dozens of micro-DLCs.

Made a new major Crusader Kings II DLC that adds India and makes all nations there playable?
Great! Now let's also sell Indian portraits as a seperate DLC, Indian unit models as a seperate DLC, and Indian music as a seperate DLC!

Fuck Paradox's DLC policy.
 

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Fuck CDPR and Obsidian. CDPR are a bunch of story fags and Obsidian hasn't made a good game since New Vegas, even New Vegas is questionable.
This is clearly about business practices, not quality of the games themselves.
Even then, including Obsidian was likely done mostly because it was hard to find any other publisher with good practices like CDPR. Rather non-sensical inclusion really. Like they were gonna start selling mods/lootboxes for PoE or something.
Paradox would have made more sense, but then I hear they're not really great in that respect either, just not as bad as the big boys. Might be wrong though. I never really played any of their stuff.
Who need good games when you have business practices.
 

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