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Jeremy upgrades his car
Hammond fucking dies
And James tries to glaze a donut
 

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The solution to voice acting being too expensive is not to have voice acting.

Reading > listening.
Reading?! might as well buy a book!

On a more serious note, trying to play a game in a language I am not fluent in did give me the slightest bit of sympathy for the "reading is hard" crowd. There are probably a lot of people out there who read a lot slower than the speed someone speaks at, and who are bad enough at reading that doing it for long periods of time counts as effort. This is a pretty damning observation on the state of education, but it seems like a pretty large segment of the potential customers, especially for AAA.
The first statements ironic but true at the same time. Reading a book will more than likely give you a better story than any game ever well. Games strong point is not being a bad book, it's the gameplay and I remember very clearly playing Neir Automata and subtitles getting in the way of game play. I wanted to follow the story, the English voice acting was awful but fighting a parry/dodge heavy boss you needed to pay attention to and reading the subtitles made it annoying. Games are good at being interactive movies (I don't mean like a modern game) and letting you observe a world greater than our own. They excel at visuals and presenting a sense of challenge for you to grow and overcome (why they're so addictive to men and ruin so many men's prime years). They are not good novels, books or stories and the obsession with trying to do what games do pretty poorly instead of leaning into what they do well is just dumb. There is always the option to turn off voice volume and rely on subs alone. There's never a choice to create audio from subtitles outside of awful fan projects full of weebs screeching.

Reading slower isn't the only problem. Screens are bad for the eyes to read off of. As you get older your eyes get more sensitive to reading in general, often needing glasses. Reading long amounts of text off of a static screen is a good way to increase your eye's decline into old age and ultimately it doesn't get you any where. If you really like reading (and you should, it's great) you should be reading paper books outside in your garden or a park. Some where you're engaged in the world and not stuck inside the same 4 walls until your eyes melt off.

But that itself in a way is working against one of the few positive things games have going for themselves, being a driving motor for education. I'm pretty sure half of the users in here found the motivation to learn English by playing games with a dictionary by their side.
The less ESLs we have in the world the better... But jokes aside there's educational games for that purpose. As a kid I'm sure playing games helped my reading immensely but that shouldn't be a driving factor in decision making. The game should be a fun experience before it's an educational experience.
 

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The solution to voice acting being too expensive is not to have voice acting.

Reading > listening.
Reading?! might as well buy a book!

On a more serious note, trying to play a game in a language I am not fluent in did give me the slightest bit of sympathy for the "reading is hard" crowd. There are probably a lot of people out there who read a lot slower than the speed someone speaks at, and who are bad enough at reading that doing it for long periods of time counts as effort. This is a pretty damning observation on the state of education, but it seems like a pretty large segment of the potential customers, especially for AAA.
When I started playing RPGs, my English was still very basic school-level stuff. I didn't understand half the words, but I played anyway and learned through context. My English wouldn't be what it is without RPGs, especially Morrowind with its lore-filled walls of text. Even to a 14-year old Jarl with half-baked English, those weren't a problem. Even then my reading pace was pretty quick.

I still have some languages that I know a little of but am not fluent in, like Italian. Having text to read through is a lot easier to understand for me than listening to voices in that language because it gives me more time to understand. I can even grok a bit of French due to its similarities to Italian and Latin if I read it, but don't understand a word when it's spoken.

Kids these days are retarded. Text is the superior way of communication.
 

Halfling Rodeo

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Kids these days are retarded. Text is the superior way of communication.
You realize kida are retarded because they spend so much time around text instead of other humans right..? Sucks you have a terrible language you don't want to speak aloud, but some of us don't and we like communicating with each other.
 
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If you're learning a language, reading text will nearly always be easier than listening to someone speak. There are languages like Japanese where the written word is a serious obstacle by itself, in which case it's not unusual for people to develop verbal fluency first. Not so with English.

I'm still annoyed by games that don't provide subtitles despite being heavy on slang or making actors speak with thick accents. It gives non-native speakers no chance at understanding even if their English is good.
 

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If you're learning a language, reading text will nearly always be easier than listening to someone speak. There are languages like Japanese where the written word is a serious obstacle by itself, in which case it's not unusual for people to develop verbal fluency first. Not so with English.

I'm still annoyed by games that don't provide subtitles despite being heavy on slang or making actors speak with thick accents. It gives non-native speakers no chance at understanding even if their English is good.
The point of learning a language is to speak it. Not to read it. If you're not using it to talk to people it's masturbation and little else. English is a complete cluster fuck of words like read. Did I mean like Reed or Red? Who the fuck knows! Better hope I don't have the bellows when I want to wind you up or maybe I have a key to shove up your asshole. If you learn it via text only you will sound like a total mong when you spew your autism all over a stranger and confuddle half the phrasing.

Subtitles should always be included and different size subtitles. Native speakers have regional accents and some of them can be confusing to listen to. It's also good for people with hearing difficulties to be able to enjoy the story elements or allow cross language play so you can enjoy sugoi sugoi gay boyfriendo sim 2023 when it's ported from the Vita to steam in 10 years time. It's a shame even though support for disabled people is improving (not sure how the fuck audio descriptions are helpful, if you're that blind you can't play the damn game to begin with) basic text issues still remain. Too many games include subtitles or text on screen that's tiny. Consoles are vastly better in this regard as they don't assume you're going to be sitting right in front of a monitor to play games. Despite many PC gamers now hooking their rig up to a HD TV and using that as their primary monitor.
 

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The point of learning a language is to speak it. Not to read it.
You must not be a fan of learning Latin, Europe's most culturally important language.
English is the most culturally important language. Latin is for fags to write dumb things on warhammer figures.
What if you want to read old books from medieval times?
He's not interested in medieval books, they didn't have audiobooks back then.
 

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The point of learning a language is to speak it. Not to read it.
You must not be a fan of learning Latin, Europe's most culturally important language.
English is the most culturally important language. Latin is for fags to write dumb things on warhammer figures.
What if you want to read old books from medieval times?
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Thy faggotry is immense. The sun shall never set on the English Empire, Latinland is dead, England is thriving. Fear our immense amount of imported negro slaves stabbing each other in the streets. Thoust maybe next!
 

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LOL

Pop history books will never give you the same experience as reading medieval literature in its original language.

Middle English is pretty cool too and not difficult to learn btw.
 

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Oh yes, instead of reading book X, people prefer to read a book that talks about book X. It's the book version of playing remakes instead of the original.
 

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Oh yes, instead of reading book X, people prefer to read a book that talks about book X. It's the book version of playing remakes instead of the original.
Guess you're not a time traveler.
 

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