Company News Bethesda to Fallout PnP: Cease and desist

[Hazelnut]

Hey, wasn't this the game where it was hardcore only? No second chances etc etc? Or have I got this confused because the demo asks whether you want it hard or soft. (I will always opt for soft as to be quite honest I've not the spare time for playing any harder - maybe when I retire eh?) IIRC then this is why I've skipped trying this game previously.

Anyway I played a little of the demo, and I have a couple of questions. Does the full version allow different screen resolutions / full screen mode? Also, does your starting equipment vary depending on skill selection?

Lastly, why hasn't this game got it's own forum here like some others?

EDIT: Ah, you have your own forums on your site - I missed that link last night.

 

[Vault Dweller]

I think this topic proves pretty much why nobody listens to the Fallout fans.

The reason nobody listens to the Fallout fans is because they want things that nobody else wants to make anymore. I'm pretty sure that nobody listens to the Amish anymore and not because the fuckers are rabid and angry all the time.

Instead of focusing on a few important issues, that you might reasonably be able to change...

Like what?

 

[Claw]

Weapon descriptions in AoD?

 

[mathboy]

I think this topic proves pretty much why nobody listens to the Fallout fans.

The reason nobody listens to the Fallout fans is because they want things that nobody else wants to make anymore. I'm pretty sure that nobody listens to the Amish anymore and not because the fuckers are rabid and angry all the time.

Instead of focusing on a few important issues, that you might reasonably be able to change...

Like what?

I have no idea really. The point is that it is impossible to find an issue less important than Bethesda forcing a fucked up commercial game to close.

Sure, most of the stuff you (we) want is something people don't want to make, but consistency inside the setting, for example would not be impossible. But now, if you say for example, that the pictures are not fallouty enough, Bethesda (or whoever) will remember stuff like this, and assume that there's nothing they can do to please you. So you fail.

And I never said that the rabidity had anything at all to do with you not being listened to. Well, if you think it's rabid to say that somebody is the devil when they help you, then the rabidity is the problem.

 

[Shoelip]

I think this topic proves pretty much why nobody listens to the Fallout fans.

The reason nobody listens to the Fallout fans is because they want things that nobody else wants to make anymore. I'm pretty sure that nobody listens to the Amish anymore and not because the fuckers are rabid and angry all the time.

Instead of focusing on a few important issues, that you might reasonably be able to change...

Like what?

I have no idea really. The point is that it is impossible to find an issue less important than Bethesda forcing a fucked up commercial game to close.

Sure, most of the stuff you (we) want is something people don't want to make, but consistency inside the setting, for example would not be impossible. But now, if you say for example, that the pictures are not fallouty enough, Bethesda (or whoever) will remember stuff like this, and assume that there's nothing they can do to please you. So you fail.

And I never said that the rabidity had anything at all to do with you not being listened to. Well, if you think it's rabid to say that somebody is the devil when they help you, then the rabidity is the problem.

I thought the initial point of this post was so that we could laugh at the irony of Bethesda closing down annother project because it could "damage the Fallout property".

 

[Lurkar]

Allow me to clarify - I don't mean that the Fallout d20 was a fan-made project, I mean that Bethesda is, in a way, showing that they can do whatever they damn well please with the liscense. Granted, there's a good chance I'm simply being overtly paranoid.

 

[stargelman]

Sure, most of the stuff you (we) want is something people don't want to make, but consistency inside the setting, for example would not be impossible. But now, if you say for example, that the pictures are not fallouty enough, Bethesda (or whoever) will remember stuff like this, and assume that there's nothing they can do to please you. So you fail.

Wait a minute. If FO3 is going to suck, it's our fault? Is that what you're saying?

 

[mathboy]

Partly, yes. Bethesda's involvement isn't your fault, of course, but you're doing your best to make sure they won't even consider listening to you.

 

[Edward_R_Murrow]

Partly, yes. Bethesda's involvement isn't your fault, of course, but you're doing your best to make sure they won't even consider listening to you.

I think the four years of silence, "epic" music, Liam, and all the staff quotes already proved they aren't listening to us and never were planning on it.

 

[Avin]

Partly, yes. Bethesda's involvement isn't your fault, of course, but you're doing your best to make sure they won't even consider listening to you.

someone gives this guy a hug.

 

[Davaris]

Off topic...

Hey, wasn't this the game where it was hardcore only? No second chances etc etc? Or have I got this confused because the demo asks whether you want it hard or soft. (I will always opt for soft as to be quite honest I've not the spare time for playing any harder - maybe when I retire eh?) IIRC then this is why I've skipped trying this game previously.

I got so many emails about it, that I decided to make it optional. Man... They just kept coming and coming.

One thing to keep in mind is once you hit the Hard RPG button you are fully committed. If you try to change the game back to Easy mode, your Hard RPG save slot will be invalidated.

Personally I think Hard is the only way to go, as it makes me sweat bullets when I get further into the game. Also I want to put my fist through the screen when I'm stupid and get myself killed. You'll never feel emotions like that if you force load your way through a game.

Anyway I played a little of the demo, and I have a couple of questions. Does the full version allow different screen resolutions / full screen mode?

Hit alt-enter to change between windowed and full screen mode. Or press the Options button and then Preferences to change it permanently. The screen size is 800X600.

Also, does your starting equipment vary depending on skill selection?

You get the same weapons at the start, because the main character needs to keep a low profile to do his job. So you get the pistol, the knife and your fists and feet (if you want to be a hard core unarmed fighter). However later on in the game there are heat ray pistols, crossbows, rifles, auto rifles, axes and grenades to be found. I think there are a couple more weapons, but those are the main ones.

Lastly, why hasn't this game got it's own forum here like some others?

I should have asked for one here as mine was killed off last year by spammers. However I think they've fixed the problem now.


Back on topic...

 

[dagorkan]

Hey Davaris... how come I have to pay VAT on buying your game? I've never seen VAT on a game bought online. I'm trying to use Paypal, is this normal?

If I get all future updates free on registering, why is it I have to buy extended download service?

The extended download service + VAT adds over 50% to the initial price so I'd like to be sure what I'm getting.

 

[mathboy]

I chose not to get the extended download service. To me it sounded like some sort of back up, if my computer would crash, I could download a new copy from there. But if my computer crashes, and I can't find that file again, I'd probably either e-mail Davaris, and hope he'd be nice, or try obtaining the file elsewhere.

 

[stargelman]

Partly, yes. Bethesda's involvement isn't your fault, of course, but you're doing your best to make sure they won't even consider listening to you.

I don't even know what to answer to that. Are you saying I can't critisize them because then they'll go sour and sulk? That'd be really silly. If anything, they don't care about our opinions because we only represent a tiny fraction of the target audience. Hell, we're probably not even part of the target audience any longer.

 

[Atrokkus]

On topic, I would like to point out that GCG is NOT planning to switch to the Wasteland setting. Some people seem to infer that from the recent statement on the official site, but that is an incorrect interpretation of somewhat ambigeous wording.

 

[elander_]

Sure, most of the stuff you (we) want is something people don't want to make, but consistency inside the setting, for example would not be impossible.

But now, if you say for example, that the pictures are not fallouty enough, Bethesda (or whoever) will remember stuff like this, and assume that there's nothing they can do to please you. So you fail.

They fucked up Morrowind gameplay to make Oblivion more like a fps and an hack and slash. Morrowind sold 4M and they scraped features everyone loved. Why do you think they would listen to anything you say based on concistency? You are being terrible naive in this subject.

 

[mathboy]

Partly, yes. Bethesda's involvement isn't your fault, of course, but you're doing your best to make sure they won't even consider listening to you.

I don't even know what to answer to that. Are you saying I can't critisize them because then they'll go sour and sulk? That'd be really silly. If anything, they don't care about our opinions because we only represent a tiny fraction of the target audience. Hell, we're probably not even part of the target audience any longer.

I never said that you shouldn't criticise them. I'm just giving you one reason why they won't listen to you (there are probably others, but in some cases they don't apply).

GCG buys the Fallout PnP license, you whine because they suck (this makes sense). Bethesda forces GCG to stop raping Fallout, you whine.

DO YOU REALLY NOT SEE THAT IN THIS THREAD YOU ARE WHINING BECAUSE BETHESDA HELPED YOU?

They probably wouldn't listen to you anyway, because they don't think that your ideas can make money. But there are (stupid) examples of them listening to people, and you're doing your best to make sure you're not the people they will listen to, ever, by FLIP FLOPPING so everything they do is bad.

 

[stargelman]

DO YOU REALLY NOT SEE THAT IN THIS THREAD YOU ARE WHINING BECAUSE BETHESDA HELPED YOU?

Wow. Chill, mate. First of all, they're helping themselves here, and if you don't see that, then I'm sorry but.......

Second, I never cared about this P&P thing myself. I don't care if it's going to be good or bad or total crap. I don't have to play it, and quite frankly it can't mess up the Fallout name either because it's so small and insignificant. What pisses me off is how petty they are about this whole affair. Sure you might say that they're a big company and that it is to be expected that a big company will follow the advice of their lawyers and rather take a hard stance on such matters than risk anything that they couldn't benefit from. But it used to be they weren't so hardass.

It's not the only thing. There was this replacementdocs business, and of course http://www.bethsoft.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=692759 this. It just shows a change in attitude that I think is very sad.

 

[mathboy]

I'm sorry I had to write in capital letters for you to even read what I write. But I guess it worked.

That replacement docs business sounds bad.

HOW ABOUT COMPLAINING ABOUT THAT?

The Fallout PnP on the other hand is something that would/will suck, and you should be happy that Bethesda gets rid of it.

NO MATTER WHAT THEIR REASON TO DO IT IS, THEY HELP YOU.

Would you complain if Bethesda had closed down FO:BOS too?

 

[Lumpy]

How exactly are Bethesda "helping us" by closing GCG?

 

[mathboy]

They get rid of a sucky game.

Kind of like FO:BOS.

 

[Lumpy]

They get rid of a sucky game.

Kind of like FO:BOS.

Your mother is sucky.
Will getting rid of her help anyone?
I thought so.

 

[elander_]

They get rid of a sucky game.
Kind of like FO:BOS.

Bethesda isn't doing this for you they are doing this for themselves. They want to control what is canon and what isn't. You think that GCG pnp is bad then wait to see what they are going to do with Fallout 3.

As for replacement docs there's nothing to complain about here. It's there property after all.

It's not the only thing. There was this replacementdocs business, and of course http://www.bethsoft.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=692759 this. It just shows a change in attitude that I think is very sad.

Don't worry. That won't stop those guys from making a spiritual remake. However it's strange that they have released Arena for free and refuse to do the same with Daggerfall.

 

[mathboy]

Bethesda isn't doing this for you they are doing this for themselves. They want to control what is canon and what isn't. You think that GCG pnp is bad then wait to see what they are going to do with Fallout 3.

I know that they aren't doing this for me. But, like I said, I don't care why they do it. They get rid of a sucky game, and you should be happy that they do, not whine about it.

Your mother is sucky.
Will getting rid of her help anyone?
I thought so.

Will you whine if Bethesda gets rid of her?
I thought so.

You were the ones who started this. I'm not asking you to thank Bethesda for getting rid of the GCG PnP game. Not caring would probably be the normal reaction, maybe with a bit of relief that you have one less fucked up game to worry about.

But instead, you make it sound like the GCG PnP was an innocent consistent non-profit fan-made game, and Bethesda is the devil.

 

[stargelman]

As for replacement docs there's nothing to complain about here. It's there property after all.

Sure, they are within their rights there. But I don't have to like it.