Bethesdas options regarding Fallout3

[Micmu]

LOL, I'm quite sure Betsy's gonna make you another FUN button-mashing game.

 

[Fresh]

"LOL"? Right.

You mean like the "FUN button-mashing" in Deus Ex/System Shock?

 

[Micmu]

You mean like the "FUN button-mashing" in Deus Ex/System Shock?

Why? Does this matter? All that matters it is going to be fun!

 

[Vault Dweller]

Whatever they do, it's a given the RPGcodex and NMA fanboys are gonna go ballistic about it. I think they are actually looking forward to it.

Abso-fucking-lutely. It's going to be the biggest shitstorm in gaming history.

Within this bubble, yes.

That's what Chuck Cuevas (the genius behind FOBoS) said.

 

[GhanBuriGhan]

Whatever they do, it's a given the RPGcodex and NMA fanboys are gonna go ballistic about it. I think they are actually looking forward to it.

Abso-fucking-lutely. It's going to be the biggest shitstorm in gaming history.

Within this bubble, yes.

That's what Chuck Cuevas (the genius behind FOBoS) said.

And in a way he was right. I mean I had never even heard of FOBoS before I read about it on NMA. The bitching is the only thing that keeps the name of that game alive

 

[Excrément]

Whatever they do, it's a given the RPGcodex and NMA fanboys are gonna go ballistic about it. I think they are actually looking forward to it.

Abso-fucking-lutely. It's going to be the biggest shitstorm in gaming history.

Yes and you would be very disapointed if Bethesda develop the game you want.

You wouldn't be able to do your favorite sport : Bethesda bashing.
But maybe you would find some hypocrisy to go on with the useless bashing.

 

[Vault Dweller]

And in a way he was right. I mean I had never even heard of FOBoS before I read about it on NMA. The bitching is the only thing that keeps the name of that game alive

I'm pretty sure there are people who've never heard of Fallout or even Daggerfall/Morrowind. My point was that people who did hear about FOBoS and were interested in it were affected by the negativity created by the "rabid Fallout fans".

Even the minor, in comparison, Codex negativity toward Oblivion had some effect since Bethesda quickly pulled MSFD and kathode and banned all links. Happened for a reason, no?

 

[Vault Dweller]

Whatever they do, it's a given the RPGcodex and NMA fanboys are gonna go ballistic about it. I think they are actually looking forward to it.

Abso-fucking-lutely. It's going to be the biggest shitstorm in gaming history.

Yes and you would be very disapointed if Bethesda develop the game you want.

That's the biggest IF I've ever seen in my life.

 

[Solik]

Some people (like Solik) wouldn't buy the game just because it would be turn based, idiotically ignoring any positive facts about the game.

Don't be a fuckwit. Purposefully misunderstanding me does no good.

Most of the games I own are turn-based.

 

[GhanBuriGhan]

And in a way he was right. I mean I had never even heard of FOBoS before I read about it on NMA. The bitching is the only thing that keeps the name of that game alive

I'm pretty sure there are people who've never heard of Fallout or even Daggerfall/Morrowind. My point was that people who did hear about FOBoS and were interested in it were affected by the negativity created by the "rabid Fallout fans".

Even the minor, in comparison, Codex negativity toward Oblivion had some effect since Bethesda quickly pulled MSFD and kathode and banned all links. Happened for a reason, no?

I'm not saying it can have no impact, but neither should the impact be overestimated. FOBoS failed because it was a pretty bad game in almost every respect, not just because the Fallout fans hated it. It's quite in the realm of possiblility that Bethesdas Fallout 3 will be widely successfull, even if the worst case scenario for Fallout fans (MW with gunz) comes true.
And of course I assume that MSFD and KAthode simply had enough of the constant villification of the game they are devoting their working life and some of their free time for, no conspiracy theory needed. Them leaving has no effect on the impact of this site.

 

[LlamaGod]

I hated Bethesda before it was the cool thing to do, gosh darn it.

Anyways, I hope Bethesda knows what they are doing (they dont) making the just-above-being-a-spin-off sequel to the top rated CRPG on Mobygames and just .01 under #1 over-all (which isnt even an RPG and has fewer votes)

http://www.mobygames.com/stats/top_game ... e/ssid,50/

While thats really nothing too special, it atleast indicates that the majority of gamers thinks Fallout = good shit.

Fucking up Fallout 3 would be their worst mistake they've made. And despite the disputed quality of Oblivion/Morrowind, even just making it a similiar game but in a different setting would be a bad idea. It would just be dumb.

They are gonna have to go all out and not do rehashing shit.

 

[RK47]

Fallout charms remain in its nice humorous depiction of all things bad about mankind after a nuclear fallout. I kinda miss seeing that brand of in game where they somehow made violence really funny ( I dig the combat messages a lot, there's no way they can do that in real time )

I'm not sure how Bethesda can pull that off, cause most of their TES games have been devoid of personality. They seriously need a good script writer and voice talent if they want to pull off to impress the hardcore fans of Fallout.

It's a pity Sir Tech didn't get the chance to work on the Fallout license, cause I salivate when I think of Jagged Alliance: Fallout style of tactical RPG combat. It's all in the hands of Bethesda now

 

[Vault Dweller]

I'm not saying it can have no impact, but neither should the impact be overestimated.

Nor underestimated.

FOBoS failed because it was a pretty bad game in almost every respect...

There are plenty of bad games that sell ok. Dungeon Lords got the Collector's Edition and Bradley is talking about a sequel/expansion, isn't he?

... not just because the Fallout fans hated it.

Not because they hated it, but because they've managed to create such negativity that most people decided to wait or changed their minds. Don't forget, the Fallout games were never bestsellers, and it would be much harder for Bethesda to hype it and create interest. Their target audience doesn't care about the Fallout name, so it's going to be interesting.

And of course I assume that MSFD and KAthode simply had enough of the constant villification of the game they are devoting their working life and some of their free time for, no conspiracy theory needed. Them leaving has no effect on the impact of this site.

Everything is possible, but I think it's odd that they've been here for about a year every day, ignoring ... what was that? constant villification, and then suddenly one day BOTH of them disappeared, and then Bethesda started removing links to that awful Codex site, even though links were posted and comments quoted for a year.

 

[Drakron]

The smartest thing would be Bethsoft ditch the idea of develop in-house Fallout 3 and get someone else to do it ... like Obsidian.

 

[bryce777]

Whatever they do will supersede all our dreams of how terrible they can butcher the fallout franchise. they will find new and horrible ways to make a mockery of a cherished game.

As for the realtime thing, it is ludicrous and even fraudulent to buy a title that is isometric and turnbased and dialog rich, then lobotomize the combat system and the dialog and put it in fp perspective, but that is what they will do.

Hopefully these idiots will go out of business before they can totally kill any value there might be in the fallout name.

 

[WouldBeCreator]

I've always hated Bethesda games, etc., etc., and am baffled by how well they sell. But given that they sell their lame single player MMORPGs in a fantasy setting, I don't see why they won't be able to sell them in a post apocalyptic setting, too.

They didn't buy FO for its "dialogue rich, isometric" gameplay, which was neither unique to, nor even invented by, FO. (See, e.g., Dark Sun: Shattered Lands.) They bought it for the name and for the visual style. (The setting was also neither unique to, nor invented by, FO.)

It strikes me that what could well kill FO3 is not that they'll ruin the dialogue -- which seems inevitable, given the way Bethesda has always handled dialogue in the game -- or the combat -- which wouldn't bother me much because I've never been too beholden to a game's combat system -- but rather that they won't be able to nail the visual style / mood. That's part of, maybe the biggest part of, what killed FoBoS (aside from crappy gameplay, etc.). If it had had the look and feel of a FO game, it would've done much, much better, I think. Instead, it looked (to me) like a cyberpunk type game devoid of the 50's art / deco style.

One thing that's always disgusted me about Bethesda games is that while their technical execution of artwork is usually pretty competent, their visual styles are crapolla. It's not the uncanny valley, either. It's just really bad art design that makes their games look uninteresting and mechanical. I have a hard time imagining how they'll avoid falling into that same trap on FO3.

In any event, a part of me takes perverse pleasure in watching FO desecrated since, in fairness, FO groupies haven't gotten anything as bad as X-Com fans got. I mean, once there's a FO racing game, maybe you can start complaining . . . .

 

[Lumpy]

yea youre right. but then, once your characer is highly skilled and you have a tiny reticle, you are playing a fps? or do you implement auto-aim? if you have auto-aim to negate twitch how do you make targetted shots?

When your character is highly skilled in Fallout, you are playing a TBS too.

 

[Lumpy]

I love Fallout and Fallout 2, but I say fuck Fallout 3 since Bethesda is just using the name as a cash cow and won't make the game the CRPG it should be.
(Hey Bethesda if you're reading this prove me wrong)

Give them a fucking chance, will you? You know nothing about Fallout 3, stop bashing it, until you get the first info at least.

 

[LlamaGod]

Going with Bethesda's track record and current favorite design styles, i'd say Fallout 3 is equal to Ultima 9

 

[bryce777]

I love Fallout and Fallout 2, but I say fuck Fallout 3 since Bethesda is just using the name as a cash cow and won't make the game the CRPG it should be.
(Hey Bethesda if you're reading this prove me wrong)

Give them a fucking chance, will you? You know nothing about Fallout 3, stop bashing it, until you get the first info at least.

Are you 2 years old and still believe in santa?

How can you possibly believe those clowns are capable of producing anything like what the first two fallouts were like?

 

[kingcomrade]

I brought up the idea of a Deux Ex or Doom RPG (it's a cellular phone game) style of Fallout 3 in another thread. The only responses I got was "omg it wudnt be Fallout" which wasn't the point of the thread.

Anyways, personally, I think Fallout is going to be the only Fallout game ever made. Sometimes I think that it's probably better that way, since other games can (in all likelihood) only stand in its shadow. Fallout 2 certainly was eclipsed.

I didn't enjoy Deus Ex and System Shock 2 as much as most people here, but I am partial to first person shooters. The problem with the realtime/turn-based is obviously that realtime appeals to a wider audience. There aren't many major gaming studios willing to work on a niche product, even though they are quite possible, because of games like Diablo and Halo that sell a hundred billion copies and make their developers superstars which they would like to emulate.

One thing which really bothers me about Oblivion is that there isn't going to be a demo. That means to me that Fallout 3 is likely to not have a demo either, and that is something I'm not going to just trust Beth and a couple retarded gaming "journalists."

 

[Fresh]

Once they announce the crew they have working on FO3 we'll be somewhat more able to make some predictions about the end result.

 

[bryce777]

I just don't see where this idea that realtime is more appealing comes from. Especially for rpgs. All the final fantasies even have realtime combat.

 

[NeVeRLiFt]

I love Fallout and Fallout 2, but I say fuck Fallout 3 since Bethesda is just using the name as a cash cow and won't make the game the CRPG it should be.
(Hey Bethesda if you're reading this prove me wrong)

Give them a fucking chance, will you? You know nothing about Fallout 3, stop bashing it, until you get the first info at least.

Are you 2 years old and still believe in santa?

How can you possibly believe those clowns are capable of producing anything like what the first two fallouts were like?

Yes, yes I do believe in him.

Maybe you have point bryce777.. looking Deus Ex 2, Thief 3, Dungeon Lord's as an example you see where the gaming industry is headed and how they think.
They'er ruining games today and looking at some dev's and publishers there releasing games that are not finished or have endings that are a joke and show the game was rushed out.

Graphic's and dumbing down gameplay are whats happening, TOEE, Vampire Bloodlines and KOTOR 2 show all to well this effect and Dungeon Lord's shows that even DW can't be bothered to make a CRPG in this day and time.

Sad indeed.


I have high hopes for Stalker and BioShock thou and hope they're good CRPG's and not a slap in the face. Eh I also think NWN2 might be interesting and I look forward to trying it.

 

[kingcomrade]

I just don't see where this idea that realtime is more appealing comes from. Especially for rpgs. All the final fantasies even have realtime combat.

It doesn't really matter where it comes from because this is what most business-people seem to believe, which is what matters. It could be that realtime doesn't appeal to people any more than turn based, but if the the money-decision-makers think they have a shot at increasing their appeal (and thus possible revenue) with going realtime, that's what it's going to be, even if they're mistaken. And it's fairly obvious that FPSes and RTS (as opposed to TBS) games sell a lot more to a wider audience than cRPGs.