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Saark

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It doesn't make any sense to want to have the layout stretched across a large wide monitor, since you can't read it comfortably without having to turn your head in the process, and yet this is something that a lot of the Codexers prefer to do over reading text in comfortable columns. A lot of what happens on the Codex doesn't make sense. But at least fluid and fixed width layouts are easy enough to do so it's not much of an issue.
I tend to agree on the text being stretched over the entire screen being something that will probably be pretty uncomfortable for a bunch of people, but the blank grey space on both sides is still a problem imo.

Most sites that do not use that space for advertising purposes pick a color that works as a proper background (i.e. whatever background color they use is then used for the actual center of the page but in a lighter tone, so the sides don't draw the eye to it as much as it currently happens on the nucodex). The human eye is attracted to areas in our FoV that are brighter, which is a problem when you're trying to focus on a font (which was definitely too small) in the center of the screen, while simultaneously being drawn to the edges of the screen due to the brighter color being used there.

Generally speaking, there's just too many different colors for individual parts of the page, and they don't follow a proper "scheme" that naturally draws your eyes attention to the center of it, instead the shades are all over the place.

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This is pretty busy for the human eye, especially as the background is not the darkest color in all of this.

On an entirely different note - there's a weird bug on my end (not sure if other's have similar issues): Having an empty line and writing text on the next line works fine, but using backspace even once not only deletes the corresponding character, but also deletes the empty line. This means everytime I backspace, I have to re-add the empty line to properly add paragraphs to my posts. It's annoying and idk if it's an issue on my end or something other people experience as well.
 
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Taluntain

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I'm saying I want you to give me back the ability to fucking hover to press buttons on desktop.

I just explained to you why the change was made by the XF devs. I trust their decision on this.

The search default sorts results by relevance and not date which is :retarded: what is wrong with Xenforo?

That's the only way it has available right now, apart from adding recency-weighing to the results, which I've done now. I think we had another addon to improve search to add date, so I'll need to install that too.
 

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I think we had another addon to improve search to add date, so I'll need to install that too.
You can sort by date if you go to advanced search, it's just annoying that it's not the default. :\
 

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OSK has discovered a bug. The Ukraine thread has been fixed. We will endeavour to find a solution for that, and any future bugs OSK discovers.
 

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Basically, right now, there's just too many different colors for individual parts of the page.

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This is pretty busy for the human eye, especially as the background is not the darkest color in all of this.

Yep, was saying the same thing, and just for the record, there's also a #7 - odd and even posts have slightly different background colours. The old design did everything with a couple of colours and they were a little less saturated, too.

By the by, realised I made a mistake earlier with the hyperlink bug - they currently have no visual highlighting at all. I suppose it's a bit like a pixel-hunting minigame, mouse-over the right thing and you might get a surprise...
 

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Hello
It's only a minor matter, very minor, in fact it may only be of interest to me, but can something be done about the text colour chooser?
I like using different colour texts in my deranged posts.
The blues you can choose don't stand out against the nu-blue background.
Is it possible to change the blue text choices to the old bright blue... entering the hex code each time is a pain, even if the hex code is saved in the colour box chooser it still needs to be cleared to re-enter it,
On mobile devices it's 1 tap menu 2 open palette 3 clear palette 4 enter saved hexcode and that still doesn't change the text colour as such, the insert point moves upwards randomly, so I then need to copy my text and then add colour..it's most bizarrre.

This is the present blues
blue
blue
blue
This is the Old Blue, it's much nicer

I do realise I might be the only one who cares about this
 

agris

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I changed the main font size back to 15px, which is still too small, but at least it's a little better.
literally no one is asking for this. the site looks worse with your font size change, on desktop and mobile, and you are squarely to blame.

it is obvious that it is your personal preference that the font size be larger. it is also obvious that the overwhelming majority of the user base, that is engaged enough to offer feedback, does not want this.

i am legitimately sorry for my brothers and sisters that bought 4k screens without knowing what it means. but their ignorance should not trap this site into catering to their malresolution. The font size was fine, the new size looks like a console game's UI stretched over a PC monitor.

the fact that font size has so occupied your faculties while so many other deficiencies with the site and UI exist belay your preference. We know, it is hard to want a thing that is not commonly accepted as good or desired. Yet, that does not mean that you are correct in forcing your will upon others. Let our pixels be free, for we are myopic and do not rely on the good will of others to be rendered in a readable fashion.

Also, try buying a screen that is lower resolution for the equivalent real estate. It's an easier option than making website designs cater to your (poorly) preferred resolution.
 

Generic-Giant-Spider

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Good to hear you never had any issues. You're mistaking your own experience with that of everyone else, however, which is not identical.

HEY MOTHERFUCKER, LOOK AT ME. LOOK AT THIS HERE.

I DON'T THINK YOU KNOW THAT RPG CODEX HAS LIKE MAYBE 80-100 ACTIVE USERS THAT AREN'T ALTS. LOL

THIS IS THE MAJORITY. THEY'RE TELLING YOU YOUR TEST SITE SUCKS, YOUR REDESIGN OF THE TEST SITE SUCKS, BUMPING THE FONT UP OR DOWN STILL MAKES THE PLACE SUCK, EVERYTHING LOOKS LIKE IT SUCKS. THIS LOOKS LIKE A BETA TEST FOR KIWIFARMS OR SOME SHIT ACKACKACKACK

FLAPPING YOUR BYTCH ASS GUMS ON "oooh well i worked as an admin for decadez hyuhkyuhk" NIGGA THEN GUESS WHAT? YOU SUCK.

NOW.... oooh, you little fucker, you got me all heated now... YOU CHANGE THIS SHIT BACK. RIGHT NOW. HEAR ME? RIGHT. NOW.

Don't give me your little expertise and make-believe 700 users that have been complaining to you in the shadows to fit some gayboy agenda. I'm going to go masturbate and when I come back I better see what I been seein' for nearly half a decade or else.
 

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Nothing really ironic about a website user with no knowledge of the application background assuming that he knows better in what shape the app is in than the admin who's worked with the app on a daily basis for more than a decade.
Jesus fucking Christ man. What is wrong with you? Why are you acting so defensive on this whole ordeal? Calm down.

You have been here longer than most and seen enough of what we all talk about to understand the reason we all ended up here is to have one place where we didn't have to deal with this whole progressive crap that has been degrading not only games but technology and the internet as a whole. All your arguments against our complaints boil down to "you hate change", "you don't understand shit about web design", "you are just contrarian fucks", "I know better than the lot of you", while citing what "Google defines as good" or "Google requires bigger fonts" or "mobile user experience requires that".

Who the hell cares about what Google defines as good? They have made some of the worst design changes in history. YouTube has been butchered countless times and it only remains on top because nobody else has the money to create anything similar, or, using the similar arguments as those used here: people don't like change and will rather stick to a worst UX rather than move somewhere else. Google's web apps are bloated beyond belief and violate web standards repeatedly. You can't even have proper icons anymore for Google apps because they managed to fuck something as simple as an icon.

Mobile user experience will also always be terrible no matter what because phones are not desktop computers, theirs screens are tiny, touch interfaces will always be extremely limited, and their portrait orientation cramps everything and makes reading anything terrible. Making the experience worse for people browsing on a desktop is precisely what gaming developers have been doing these past decades and nothing good came out of it as a result. Also, this is what most sites do to provide a good experience for desktop and mobile users:

why not just create a subdomain for mobile like m.rpgcodex.net that mobile users get redirected to? you can even have a 'view desktop site' option.
Yes, that means two separate interfaces, but it also makes the best use of both instead of compromising both for the sake of one.

I understand and agree that updating the forums is necessary. Software gets outdated and security/usability/performance comes only with new versions. I know that, I have been working with software development since the late 90's, although web development is not something I've ever done other than fixing things on my end with CSS or JS injection. I also know that when users complained about changes their APIs it was not because they hated change, but because something they used to have is now broken or changed so dramatically that they either: 1) have to relearn everything and adapt existing workflows; or 2) the functionality is lost forever and not coming back, requiring user-made workarounds. Nobody complained when Windows 7 came out and superseded Vista because it was an obvious improvement in several ways. Everybody complained when Windows 8 came out and forced a tablet interface on a desktop environment.

We can never complain to Google or Microsoft about the crap they have been doing for the past decade. There will never be a human being on the other end to acknowledge and act upon user feedback. We can complain here, and most of our complaints have been tossed aside since the beta site when we pointed out about the poor choice of colors, poor contrast, cramped interface, and poor readability as a result. Some users are having headaches, I got my eyes literally sore because of the poor contrast after a few minutes of using the site. Nothing has really changed since the beta on this regard, nor has it been acknowledged as part of what will be ironed out in the future. Instead we are hearing things like making the site consistent across mobiles or justifications as to why the current choices are right and we are all wrong. We provide constructive criticism up to a point where nothing comes out of it, then shit starts to derail like it's already happening.

The site not using more horizontal space makes no sense. Moving our heads from left to right is not something that happens to people that actually sit at a reasonable distance from their screens. Having everything cramped into a small column in the center of the screen is not a good user experience as it wastes a lot of usable space and requires more and more scrolling. Just try to read some of the let's play threads like this and notice how all the images are now horizontally compressed to the maximum screen width, and how you it makes it harder to read the text inside images as a result. This is worse UX because of this design choice. I have seen other forums that migrated to XenForo 2 and they all use my entire screen, and, allegedly, the developers of these forums also followed UI/UX principles and I don't see many complaints after the UI gets updated to reflect what most users are complaining about.
 

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The amount of butthurt over what amounts to so little actual change goes beyond autistic here. I can't even take the ridiculous amount of me-too whining seriously because it's so over the top for such a nothingburger that this layout change has been reduced to that it's not even funny. It's honestly worse than kindergarten. Twiglard's gone to great lengths to basically strip the new layout of practically all the meaningful changes, down to even reducing the font to this ridiculously small size again and yet the amount of bile spewed over it here is practically unchanged from before.

We get it, the Codex is unable to accept literally the first change in 20 years, no matter how minor. We've known that it's going to be like this no matter what. Some things will still be tweaked, some won't. If you can't live with that, tough.
Tal, let's set aside the obvious argument related to the completely soulless look and feel of this derivative aesthetic. I'm assuming, maybe naively, that breathing life into the design is forthcoming.

The biggest issue right now from a functional user-end standpoint is that this website looks like an Excel spreadsheet without the cells -- it's murdering my eyes. The old layout clearly encapsulated the information that belonged together, and separated the information that belonged apart. I honestly can barely navigate the forums now. My vision blurs when I try to look at anything for longer than one second.
 

SerratedBiz

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The amount of butthurt over what amounts to so little actual change goes beyond autistic here. I can't even take the ridiculous amount of me-too whining seriously because it's so over the top for such a nothingburger that this layout change has been reduced to that it's not even funny. It's honestly worse than kindergarten. Twiglard's gone to great lengths to basically strip the new layout of practically all the meaningful changes, down to even reducing the font to this ridiculously small size again and yet the amount of bile spewed over it here is practically unchanged from before.

We get it, the Codex is unable to accept literally the first change in 20 years, no matter how minor. We've known that it's going to be like this no matter what. Some things will still be tweaked, some won't. If you can't live with that, tough.
Man, go fuck yourself.
 

Skinwalker

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Someone fix the fucking colors to make them the same as on the oldex ffs. And restore my shoutbox access!
 

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