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[Pelvis Knot]

Roguey is one of the highest quality trolls on this forum, and that means a lot. Imagine what he/she/it could do on a board less used to such attempts.

Roguey Do you actively troll other forums? Have any good threads to share?

 

[Deleted member 7219]

I thought this did a great job at presenting the Hepler issue as a whole. That's all I have to add to this.

That video was good until right at the very end, "The only thing she's likely to have good taste in is food". Oh, she's fat? Wow, we never noticed!

After that horrible DA2 sequence the guy could have just said, "This is an example of Hepler's writing and why she shouldn't be working at Bioware. Here's some better writing from other games" and maybe throw in some MCA, George Ziets, Eric Fenstermaker etc

 

[dnf]

That video was good until right at the very end, "The only thing she's likely to have good taste in is food". Oh, she's fat? Wow, we never noticed!

After that horrible DA2 sequence the guy could have just said, "This is an example of Hepler's writing and why she shouldn't be working at Bioware. Here's some better writing from other games" and maybe throw in some MCA, George Ziets, Eric Fenstermaker etc

Hepler is fine in Bioware! We need some quality lulz from time to time

 

[Brother None]

Sorry, but when I see several paragraphs of a man trying to mansplain sexism to me, my eyes just go to the back of my head and I tune out.

Ah, right, so when you don't have an answer, you can just ignore the argument because it's "mansplaining". The fact that I have a penis gives you the right to dismiss my arguments without engaging them, because it's "mansplaining". Your whole counterargument is "you have a penis, you argument is invalid".

And that is not sexism, because....?

Again, I find your sexist attitude offensive, and kind of hypocritical. You don't get to claim sexism as a tool of power for just one gender, it applies to both. If you don't have any actual counter-argument, you're free to give in. Don't pretend "that's sexist!" is an argument in and of itself, it's not that easy.

Also, when a bunch of jerks attack you, the response shouldn't be "I should really try to find the root cause of why they would do such a thing!"

If you're a company where community interaction is a big deal, then yes, it should. It's not fun, but it's part of your job. BioWare's attitude is censor, ignore and attack. That doesn't work.

"Wah, how dare she work in the industry when she's a bad writer who hates playing games! It should be me!"

No one said "it should be me". I don't want her job. I think plenty of her criticasters don't. They want someone better to have her job.

Refuses to do any kind of research, spreads propaganda anyway.

I'm not writing an article, again. I'm not posting in a capacity as a game journalist. We all make statements based on cursory research. And what's even better, my point isn't even related to the whole "gay sex" thing, that's a thing I said "is fine", you decided to hammer on it. It's pretty irrelevant to the point overall. So sure, she doesn't prefer gay sex. It doesn't matter.

Her other one at least tries to look like a facsimile of armor, fits the setting, and has an attempt at justification

There is no real justification. The game says it's "to let her skin breath" and contains a segment where she's advised to use it to distract men. It is sexist, no less sexist than that promo image. Please stop this absurd misogyny-internalizing shit.

That video was good until right at the very end, "The only thing she's likely to have good taste in is food". Oh, she's fat? Wow, we never noticed!

Yip. There is a point in there, and there are people who can state it calmly, but people only weaken it when they feel the need to point out Hepler is a woman, fat, or ugly, all things anyone can see, all things irrelevant to what actually upset people in this "controversy". It's a shame, because it made it so easy to dismiss. And because people being assholes and piling on one individual is always painful, especially for that person, but painful to watch too.

 

[Roguey]

Roguey is one of the highest quality trolls on this forum, and that means a lot. Imagine what he/she/it could do on a board less used to such attempts.

Roguey Do you actively troll other forums? Have any good threads to share?

No, when/if I post on other boards I respect the rules of those places. Plus as a master internet detective why would I share such information?

 

[dnf]

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No, when/if I post on other boards I respect the rules of those places. Plus as a master S.T.A.L.K.E.R why would I share such information?[/quote]

Because sharing dis/information is arguably all you do?

 

[Morgoth]

General Fucking Man-Ager.

Fixed for more clarity.

 

[Admiral jimbob]

Don't pretend "that's sexist!" is an argument in and of itself, it's not that easy.

Excuse me they do NO such thing they dress it up in far more convoluted terminology and carefree death threats (so you can identify them as the good guys) first

 

[Pelvis Knot]

Roguey is one of the highest quality trolls on this forum, and that means a lot. Imagine what he/she/it could do on a board less used to such attempts.

Roguey Do you actively troll other forums? Have any good threads to share?

No, when/if I post on other boards I respect the rules of those places. Plus as a master internet detective why would I share such information?

You would like to amuse your fellow codexers perhaps?

 

[Spectacle]

I wish people would stop replying to posters I have on ignore. The last few pages of this thread reads like some kind of post-modernist stream-of-consciousness novella.

 

[Pelvis Knot]

I wish people would stop replying to posters I have on ignore. The last few pages of this thread reads like some kind of post-modernist stream-of-consciousness novella.

Judging by the length of your ignore list you'll have to ask DU to remove the quote option

 

[Clockwork Knight]

"This is perfectly acceptable for Annah's character and the Planescape setting,"--what gross neckbeards actually believe.

 

[Roguey]

I like how you and BN ignored where I said "I don't like it very much either." There are degrees of offensiveness. One can develop a sexism callus wherein one shitty male gaze-oriented armor gets a "Meh, business as usual, can't even get angry at this anymore" reaction and another gets "Fuck you."

Also it definitely fits the Planescape setting because it's brown, grey and spiky.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

I wonder who's the biggest fapbait, Annah or Morrigan.

 

[Gragt]

What's wrong with Annah's clothing now?

 

[Infinitron]

I wonder who's the biggest fapbait, Annah or Morrigan.

Annah doesn't have creepy fully animated sex cutscenes.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

That just makes her more of a cocktease.

 

[Storyfag]

I wonder who's the biggest fapbait, Annah or Morrigan.

Annah on the 'dex. Morrigan worldwide, due to awsum grapheex.

 

[Admiral jimbob]

The one thing that really stood out as dumb in PS:T to me was the ridiculous portraits where every single peasant woman, noblewoman etc is dressed like a creepy plasticene stripper

 

[Infinitron]

The one thing that really stood out as dumb in PS:T to me was the ridiculous portraits where every single peasant woman, noblewoman etc is dressed like a creepy plasticene stripper

Yeah, but it added to the FREAK SHOW atmosphere of Sigil. The upper class townswomen actually looked sluttier than the Hive whores.

 

[Gozma]

Those renders are fucking ugly even putting politics aside. I feel like you don't ever actually look at them much in-game because I remember the characters as the icons rather than that. They mostly show up in that Planescapedia thing.

 

[GreyViper]

Morrigan for me but tastes do differ, besides its the voice actore that did it for me. Thing is she could have been another Kiara, yet we got a dragon beatdown fest. As to Annah I dont know , never saw her as sex symbol anyway and Im sure she wasnt meant to be either.
Roguey im not sure if you have noticed , but you do come off a bit to agressive even for normal standards. If its periods,then ignore this remark.

 

[Azrael the cat]

The one thing that really stood out as dumb in PS:T to me was the ridiculous portraits where every single peasant woman, noblewoman etc is dressed like a creepy plasticene stripper

Yeah, but it added to the FREAK SHOW atmosphere of Sigil. The upper class townswomen actually looked sluttier than the Hive whores.

That's not so much an example of 'knowledge of female anatomy'-FAIL, and more a case of 'knowledge of basic principle of gravity'-FAIL.

Incidentally Roguey, a fair portion of the hatred of Hepler came from her promoting a complete 'whore/virgin dichotomy' with regard to the DA2 companions in a manner that was more poor fan-fiction than professional writer (i.e. the 'we've got a sex-obsessed massive-chested girl and a faux-virginial girl, so we've got them all covered covered'). Even putting aside that it's one hell of a sexist depiction for a person whose likes to pretend to be a feminist, it beggars belief that anyone could work as a professional writer while being so utterly unaware of such a fundamental creative failure. Whore/virgin dichotomies are the kind of thing you might forgive from a writer who has started out as an amateur hobbyist and gained a following - but for someone who took the route of studing writing at university (Hepler did creative writing or similar), it's an incredible failure. The reason why you hire professional writers is because you expect them to be aware of well-known literary flaws and tropes, so they can either avoid or subvert them. Either she's a complete failure of a writer, or worse, she knew that she was writing one-dimensional characters on the virgin/whore template and did so deliberately to pander to the bioware fanbase.

Add that to her declared lack of interest in gaming, and the poor work of the DA2 writing team in general (Did nobody stop to think that having a character talk about sex all the time just makes her seem like a naive school-kid trying to talk herself up (instead of the sexually confident woman that they were trying to write)?b I keep harping about the romance dialogue, but that's just because it shows how their failure was structural, rather than just a poor once-off result: so much of the embarassingly shite dialogue comes from trying to shoe-horn romances in from all characters to all possible PCs with no thought for thematic consistency or organic character growth - it's porn-level 'I'm here to clean the pool' dialogue, because like porn and fanfiction there's not even the most basic attempt to match the sex with the context of the story/character). It isn't a big leap from there to connect the two and conclude that she's working in games because that kind of writing doesn't get you work outside the pulp franchise 'novel' industry?

 

[Lagole Gon]

Sexism in Planescape: Torment! What an interesting topic! I will quote Torment Vision Statement from 1997 to shed new light on great minds of the Black Isle studio!

“babes,” as in, “TRUCKLOADS OF.”
Tons of Total Babes: This game will have lots of babes that make the player go “wow.” There will be fiendish babes, human babes, angelic babes, asian babes, and even undead babes. These babes will be present without nipple-age and will all regrettably behave within the TSR Code of Ethics.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

Followed shortly after by

and more babes

Babes: Think babes. Then think more babes.

Annah's description also seems custom made to annoy feminists.

Annah’s a smoldering young tiefling that speaks with an Irish accent. She’s brash, insulting and inexpressibly attracted to the player character.

A tiefling raised on Sigil‟s streets, Annah‟s a lot like one would expect from a Hive orphan. Streetwise, and not terribly patient where most matters are concerned, Annah has difficulties in affairs of the heart. Feelings beyond simple hostility make her terribly confused, hesitant and frustrated.

Only your penis can heal her pain, The Male One.