Bioware's no-homosexuality rule in RPGs

[keeks]

There's definitely no homerotic themes (except MFF) from Ancient China. It doesn't fit the setting.

Google doesn't agree with you.

 

[Sol Invictus]

Who gives a rats ass what you found on Google? You could look up "Puritan hardcore sex" or "Amish butt sex" and find something.

 

[Volourn]

It sure beats your ludicrous 'fact' that gays didn't exist in Anceint China.

R00fles!

 

[Sol Invictus]

Gays did exist. It just wasn't an acceptable practice any more than fucking another man is in Christian communities these days. Catholic church notwithstanding.

 

[obediah]

Well being a jedi was frowned upon in KotorII, but you had a ship of like 50 jedi's by the end. So why not have a wagon full of butt-buggerers in ancient china? If there were gays in ancient china, then there were homo-erotic themes - subdued and oppressed as they may have been.

All I really care about with in-game romances are that they are low-keyed flirting stuff, and not a time sink. "Hey Sailor, come with me!" - fade to black - restore hp - is just about right for me.

 

[PennyAnte]

I want the next BioWare RPG to allow me to produce a child with a same sex partner (BY MAGIC) and then sexually abuse that child. It's fucking roleplaying, my character is a child molester.

I'm fairly certain you could do all that in the Sims 1. At the very least the same-sex couple could have the child by "magic."

But an RPG doesn't have to let every character do every thing - who complains that you can't tunnel under a castle wall in some random fantasy RPG, but instead have to bluff the guard or use thief skills? No one. Players are willing to accept some limitations on possibility solely because it's a coded virtual world.

But an RPG shouldn't force gays to act straight or vice-versa. I'm all for leaving options open. As noted so often in this thread, plenty of straights want to do the ff thing for a bit.

So no rpg can be a 100 percent life simulator, but however far it does go to be "real," it should to that same degree allow full freedom. Just don’t make every club in a modern setting only gay, or only straight. Reflect the world. Nothing's forced on anyone that way.

 

[crpgnut]

Hmmm, didn't read this whole thread but I don't mind gay males in my crpgs as long as they're killable. If a faggot hit on me in real life, I'd hurt them very badly, so I'd want to be able to do that in the game also. If gays want to have gay characters in fantasy crpgs then they should form a company and develop such a game. Just don't try to market the game to the masses. We're not interested.

 

[PennyAnte]

If a faggot hit on me in real life, I'd hurt them very badly...

I suppose if a very unattractive woman hits on you, you'd beat the shit out of her too, huh? You're a real charmer. No use for any living thing that isn't good for polishing your knob? 'Cept maybe your boss, who cuts you paycheck? And maybe mom, who gave you the muscles you use to kick the shit out of others?

I'm sure you're a good, fag-hating, god-fearing churchgoer who thinks of Jesus every time you break a bone.

Am I right?

Prick.

 

[Flink]

Hmmm, didn't read this whole thread but I don't mind gay males in my crpgs as long as they're killable. If a faggot hit on me in real life, I'd hurt them very badly, so I'd want to be able to do that in the game also. If gays want to have gay characters in fantasy crpgs then they should form a company and develop such a game. Just don't try to market the game to the masses. We're not interested.

Heh, are you really that insecure?

 

[Sol Invictus]

All I really care about with in-game romances are that they are low-keyed flirting stuff, and not a time sink. "Hey Sailor, come with me!" - fade to black - restore hp - is just about right for me.

I think that's too much. I don't think male/female romantic relationships or sex should be in RPGs either. It's just not well done most of the time and the romances seem extremely hackneyed, especially when two characters go from barely knowing each other to being soulmates in a couple of weeks of in-game time. While there's no problem with having a romance in an adventure game like Monkey Island or the upcoming Advent Rising (First of the Advent Trilogy) where the romance is allowed to build up in each episode, or is 'prefabricated' before the player interacts with the game, it just doesn't work that way in a PC game without ruining depth of immersion.

The player should always start off in a clean slate or tabula rasa instead of having his 'past' forced on him. Planescape Torment handled it very well with the Nameless One's memory loss, and whatever romances there were in the game were extremely subdued, rather than shoved into your face.

And crpgnut, you know, it's one thing to be straight and not like to be hit on gays, but if a homosexual were to come up to me or any other sane person all we'd have to do is say, 'Hey, I don't swing that way' and they'd get the idea and leave you alone, that's guaranteed. Is it really necessary to beat the shit out of them, or heck, kill them? That, if anything, is a sign of some serious insecurity.

I once read this confession on GroupHug.us where some guy talked about how his best friend for many years came up to him one day and told him that he was gay and asked if he was, too, because he was interested in a relationship, and the guy who was at the time raking his yard turned the rake on the homosexual former best friend and beat the shit out of him. Spat on him, too. Left him for dead, but it turns out he only broke a few ribs and then some, if the confession is to be believed. The guy confessed that years after he'd done that, he'd been thinking about it and realized he too was secretly homosexual and was very regretful of what he did. So not only did he lose his best friend, he beat the shit out of him and probably lost his only soulmate, if you believe in that sort of thing. He seemed pretty torn up about it. Are you sure you aren't gay?

Even if you aren't secretly gay (Homophobes usually are. Straight people are relatively secure in their sexuality. They don't need to beat gays up to prove it), how would you feel if you thought a girl was flirting with you and you tried to ask her out and she ended up pulling a gun or a baseball bat and seriously hurting you with it? That's psychotic! Take my advice man, if a gay hits on you, just treat him like you would an ugly girl and tell him you don't swing that way. It's not that hard.

 

[PennyAnte]

I don't think male/female romantic relationships or sex should be in RPGs either. It's just not well done most of the time and the romances seem extremely hackneyed, especially when two characters go from barely knowing each other to being soulmates in a couple of weeks of in-game time.

I can go with having none or keeping them very subdued. But if they're in, I say the options should be available for players to pursue the kind of romance they want. Otherwise you can, for example, force gay players to act straight (NWN's hookers), and remove a straight player's ability to get a little Female-Female going.

And for reference, my wife and I went from strangers to soulmates in a day. We're still happily married eight years later.

 

[Volourn]

"I think that's too much. I don't think male/female romantic relationships or sex should be in RPGs either"

Why? These always add role-playing options to the game thata ctually matter since the relation will always have at least 2 outcomes.

 

[Sarkile]

If a faggot hit on me in real life, I'd hurt them very badly

Psycho any?

 

[Sol Invictus]

I think they detract from the rest of the story, especially if your love interest stops conferring with you sometime along the way. It's kind of silly to think that your love interest would want to do everything you say. It's the same with NPCs, really. Unless an NPC owes you some kind of life debt (like Dak'kon) he or she shouldn't participate in something he or she disapproves of ethically or for whatever personal reasons. I've always found it silly that your love interest would question your orders early in the game but after you finalized your relationship with them, they'd keep quiet for the rest of the journey.

 

[obediah]

Romances usually end up big immersion breakers for me. Crappy writing, contrived circumstances, and heavily scripted (as in code).

Maybe when we get some good AI, where an NPC has a dating service profile coded in to them, and romance would emerge from continued interaction with ANY compatible character, rather than the two choices the developers decided to provide.

As is, the romance stuff is really only interesting as an easter-egg for completeness type thing. Seduce so and so, persuade the foozle, and get sekret ending 5.

There is tons of porn and a billion Fabio books, so if you can't make sex or romance flow naturally through a game, leave it out.

 

[crpgnut]

I'm sure you're a good, fag-hating, god-fearing churchgoer who thinks of Jesus every time you break a bone.

Am I right?

Prick.

Um, no. Just the fag-hating part. I haven't been to church in years I think Jesus taught tolerance of all sinners. Love the sinner, hate the sin was his mantra IIRC.

If an ugly girl hits on me, I just flash my wedding ring and smile a sorry. I've never had one of your type hit on me Penny. It was a hypothetical situation. I've only beat up queers twice and that was when I saw a couple of them holding hands at a Six Flags when I was 18-20. MANY years ago. I'm not violent, normally. I'm not going to stay around and argue about it though. You have a right to your opinion and you stressed it. I stressed mine. That was enough. I did find it funny that you called me a male anatomy related bad name. It doesn't bother me though. Some people feel the need to use such words. I agree with some of your other thoughts and disagree with this one. No big deal to me.

 

[PennyAnte]

No big deal to me.

Except that what you did was a criminal act. There's a reason I'm not the only one here calling that kind of behavior psychotic. It makes you a thug.

 

[Shagnak]

Fucking hell.
Mr Nut has issues.

It's a wonder you come to this forum what with all the faux-fag fun we have at times :wink:

 

[obediah]

I'm sure you're a good, fag-hating, god-fearing churchgoer who thinks of Jesus every time you break a bone.

Am I right?

Prick.

Um, no. Just the fag-hating part. I haven't been to church in years I think Jesus taught tolerance of all sinners. Love the sinner, hate the sin was his mantra IIRC.

If an ugly girl hits on me, I just flash my wedding ring and smile a sorry. I've never had one of your type hit on me Penny. It was a hypothetical situation. I've only beat up queers twice and that was when I saw a couple of them holding hands at a Six Flags when I was 18-20. MANY years ago. I'm not violent, normally. I'm not going to stay around and argue about it though. You have a right to your opinion and you stressed it. I stressed mine. That was enough. I did find it funny that you called me a male anatomy related bad name. It doesn't bother me though. Some people feel the need to use such words. I agree with some of your other thoughts and disagree with this one. No big deal to me.

Wow. You are dismissing your own violent rage, while admonishing someone for cursing at the codex. I don't buy into that being a homophobe means you must be gay shit, but it's obvious that something is severely broken in your brain, and the sooner we can get you out of the gene pool the better.

 

[manco]

No big deal to me.

Except that what you did was a criminal act. There's a reason I'm not the only one here calling that kind of behavior psychotic. It makes you a thug.

No, it makes him a troll. Does something about gay-bashing and forum-browsing not jibe to you? Seems fishy to me! Oh yes, that's right, he is a troll, and got many responses cause he's so bad! People that are redneck enough to fight strangers are 10 times out of 10 too ghetto to use the internet.

Cheers, crpgnut, your flight of fancy ruffled feathers. Oh yeah, hole in your story- you beat up 2 queers at 6 flags. Now think about it rpgcodex: If some redneck attacked you and your girlfriend, even if she was somewhat weak, the odds are in your favor (2v1), correct? Now, what if your girlfriend was a man, and had lived a life of persecution and shame (giving a bererker bonus of, oh let's say +3 vs. rednecks).

Also, all gays have "crazy gay strength", they get this from working out all the time, and from all the hate. (mostly the working out, i bet).

toodles.

 

[Shagnak]

Also, all gays have "crazy gay strength", they get this from working out all the time, and from all the hate. (mostly the working out, i bet).

toodles.

HAHAHA

Fucking classic!

We're gonna have a few good quotes out of this thread, that's fer sure :wink:

Hopefully crpgnut's evil doings, if factual, catch up with him.
Then he can spend some time in sing-sing and some black fella will ream him with his love-python, while the rest of the prison holds him down or joins the line for their turn.
Then try telling them that they're fags and see what happens...heh.

 

[Fez]

Male rape is the only way this can end.

 

[obediah]

Cheers, crpgnut, your flight of fancy ruffled feathers. Oh yeah, hole in your story- you beat up 2 queers at 6 flags. Now think about it rpgcodex: If some redneck attacked you and your girlfriend, even if she was somewhat weak, the odds are in your favor (2v1), correct? Now, what if your girlfriend was a man, and had lived a life of persecution and shame (giving a bererker bonus of, oh let's say +3 vs. rednecks).

I don't know if it's true or not, but one mental redneck jumping and pwning 2 flamers isn't really a stretch. I've been around rednecks that went mental, and when they get the drop on someone the fight is usually over in like 2 seconds and from then on it's just kicking a screaming curled up ball in the head until the cops show up. I don't know if crpgnut is a troll or raging homophobe, but the story is certainly plausible.

 

[Shagnak]

I don't know if crpgnut is a troll or raging homophobe, but the story is certainly plausible.

He could be a troll and a raging homophobe.
And he could also be a fat man who likes to wear a dress.
And pretend to be a girl called "Lilith" on some weird goth pr0n forum.
It's all plausible, I seen it on telly :shock:

 

[Saran]

Wow, all we need now is jerry springer and a gay son.

"Paaaaawwww, i dun' gone and fucked a man."

"FAGGOT!"

*chairs are thrown, heads are kicked in*

Crowd: "JERRY,JERRY,JERRY,JERRY!"