Review Bloodlines - Just Shy of Greatness

[Murk]

"you moron, you can't cut half a sentence out and treat it as its own. I said in ONE aspect, that they were perfect in ONE aspect (bloodlines would be writing)."

You are a moron. I cut nothing out as the point still stands. NOTHING is eprfect. Not a game. Not a movie. Not a human being (except for me as the exception to the rule). Not even an 'aspect'. FFS

BL was not perfect in any aspect. None of these games were perfect in any aspect.

ah right, forgot i'm talking to volourn. my bad man, totally mistook you for a sentient human being there. carry on.

 

[Kaanyrvhok]

As for ToEE it was flawed from its very conception. Just giving a D&D PnP session some nice graphics is not what crpgs are about, sorry. You need to adopt this for a new medium like the PC.

Bingo

 

[Longshanks]

Negatives aside it's probably still the best FPS RPG

wut?
You can't possibly tell me that it's as good as Deus Ex or SS2

Both those games are FPSs.
If we're to accept Deus Ex as an RPG, it's a very poor one, certainly far worse than VtmB.

Rating the games without reference to genre is more difficult. I'd probably go: SS2 > VtmB >>> Deus Ex, with the first two being pretty much interchangable.

 

[Jaesun]

"All three of Troika's games were perfect"

Nothing is perfect. Stop the bullshits, start the truths!

you moron, you can't cut half a sentence out and treat it as its own. I said in ONE aspect, that they were perfect in ONE aspect (bloodlines would be writing).

dude you are arguing with Volourn.

 

[Diogo Ribeiro]

"you moron, you can't cut half a sentence out and treat it as its own. I said in ONE aspect, that they were perfect in ONE aspect (bloodlines would be writing)."

You are a moron. I cut nothing out as the point still stands. NOTHING is eprfect. Not a game. Not a movie. Not a human being (except for me as the exception to the rule). Not even an 'aspect'. FFS

BL was not perfect in any aspect. None of these games were perfect in any aspect.

Roffles!

...Or should I say "roffltar", traitor?

 

[DriacKin]

Negatives aside it's probably still the best FPS RPG

wut?
You can't possibly tell me that it's as good as Deus Ex or SS2

I'm in the apparently small, but correct minority that thinks Deus Ex sucked. And there wasn't much RP in SS2.

You're making it seem like there actually was RP in Bloodlines. Bloodlines is about as linear of an RPG as there is.

 

[Pliskin]

Negatives aside it's probably still the best FPS RPG

wut?
You can't possibly tell me that it's as good as Deus Ex or SS2

I'm in the apparently small, but correct minority that thinks Deus Ex sucked. And there wasn't much RP in SS2.

You're making it seem like there actually was RP in Bloodlines. Bloodlines is about as linear of an RPG as there is.

Aha! But you just admitted it was an RPG --- ergo, RP must be present! Just because it's linear, doesn't diminish the fact it is an RPG. DX and SS2, in the strictest sense, are not.

(Oh, and titz).

 

[gc051360]

That's the story with Troika though. Just shy of greatness.

 

[Volourn]

"ah right, forgot i'm talking to volourn. my bad man, totally mistook you for a sentient human being there. carry on."

Right.

So you are claiming that ARC's role-playing, TOEE's combat, and BL's writing cna't be improved in any fuckin' way? You are fuckin' retarted.

There is no such thing as perfection. FFS

 

[FeelTheRads]

Volourn, gentleman and philosopher.

 

[Jaedar]

I think the princess has a point though, nothing is perfect.

Oh and both DX and Bloodlines are RPG's, but I'm undecided on SS2.

 

[Rude Dude]

What makes an RPG an RPG?

 

[Murk]

"ah right, forgot i'm talking to volourn. my bad man, totally mistook you for a sentient human being there. carry on."

Right.

So you are claiming that ARC's role-playing, TOEE's combat, and BL's writing cna't be improved in any fuckin' way? You are fuckin' retarted.

There is no such thing as perfection. FFS

oh i hear you man. i'm stopping the bullshits and starting the truths as we speak.

rouxfleh~

 

[Dionysus]

Negatives aside it's probably still the best FPS RPG

wut?
You can't possibly tell me that it's as good as Deus Ex or SS2

I'm in the apparently small, but correct minority that thinks Deus Ex sucked. And there wasn't much RP in SS2.

You're making it seem like there actually was RP in Bloodlines. Bloodlines is about as linear of an RPG as there is.

No, the combat was too good for Deus Ex and SS2 to be RPGs. Bloodlines had bad combat, so it must have been an RPG.

Seriously though, SS2 and Deus Ex both did a better job of incorporating RPing elements consistently. Although I do have trouble thinking of SS2 as an action-RPG.

 

[Cassidy]

System Shock 2 and Deus Ex have better gameplay than Bloodlines, and neither of them are CRPGs, but FPS+RPG hybrids with Bloodlines being a FPS+Third Person Action+RPG Hybrid. Measuring games by their genre has became sketchy in the 21st century.

The only thing that really sucked in Deus Ex was the how disappointing the stealth implementation was because of inept AI and the lack of a coded sound implementation by floor type that made those moss arrows handy in Thief series, specially as the comments the NPCs gave on being stealthy led me to draw immediate comparisons with Thief when I began playing it.

 

[Jaesun]

System Shock 2 and Deus Ex have better gameplay than Bloodlines, and neither of them are CRPGs, but FPS+RPG hybrids with Bloodlines being a FPS+Third Person Action+RPG Hybrid. Measuring games by their genre has became sketchy in the 21st century.

The only thing that really sucked in Deus Ex was the how disappointing the stealth implementation was because of inept AI and the lack of a coded sound implementation by floor type that made those moss arrows handy in Thief series, specially as the comments the NPCs gave on being stealthy led me to draw immediate comparisons with Thief when I began playing it.

dude seriously, how many games give you the option to tell someone THEY ARE THEIR FUCKING PET TURTLE! System Shock 2? Nope. Deus Ex? Nope. FAIL.

Bloodlines FTW.

 

[Darth Roxor]

System Shock 2 and Deus Ex have better gameplay than Bloodlines, and neither of them are CRPGs, but FPS+RPG hybrids with Bloodlines being a FPS+Third Person Action+RPG Hybrid. Measuring games by their genre has became sketchy in the 21st century.

The only thing that really sucked in Deus Ex was the how disappointing the stealth implementation was because of inept AI and the lack of a coded sound implementation by floor type that made those moss arrows handy in Thief series, specially as the comments the NPCs gave on being stealthy led me to draw immediate comparisons with Thief when I began playing it.

dude seriously, how many games give you the option to tell someone THEY ARE THEIR FUCKING PET TURTLE! System Shock 2? Nope. Deus Ex? Nope. FAIL.

Bloodlines FTW.

But Fable allows you to fart at people's direction. It's obviously the superior game.

 

[Longshanks]

Negatives aside it's probably still the best FPS RPG

wut?
You can't possibly tell me that it's as good as Deus Ex or SS2

I'm in the apparently small, but correct minority that thinks Deus Ex sucked. And there wasn't much RP in SS2.

You're making it seem like there actually was RP in Bloodlines. Bloodlines is about as linear of an RPG as there is.

No, the combat was too good for Deus Ex and SS2 to be RPGs. Bloodlines had bad combat, so it must have been an RPG.

Seriously though, SS2 and Deus Ex both did a better job of incorporating RPing elements consistently. Although I do have trouble thinking of SS2 as an action-RPG.

Deus Ex had good combat :shock:. Didn't think even the fanboys were that blind. VtmB's is actually better, though still not good.

Halo also did a better job of implementing RPing elements consistently (even more so than DE and SS2!). What kind of a bullshit statement is that?
VtmB had better roleplaying than both DE and SS2 (neither of which had all that much). Period. No need for bullshit qualifiers - the "consistency" of it is neither here nor there.

 

[Ch1ef]

VtmB had better character roleplaying than any other game

fiksed

VtmB's is actually better, though still not good.

 

[Dionysus]

Deus Ex had good combat :shock:. Didn't think even the fanboys were that blind. VtmB's is actually better, though still not good.

Bloodlines was pretty bad in comparison. AFAIK, there was no area-specific damage except for zombies. The weapon selection was incredibly lame. There were no grenades, mines, different ammo types, or splash-damage missile weapons. With the exception of a few bosses, the frictionless enemy design, thoughtless enemy placement, and often bland level design promoted mindless combat.

VtmB had better roleplaying than both DE and SS2 (neither of which had all that much). Period. No need for bullshit qualifiers - the "consistency" of it is neither here nor there.

Consistency is very important. The game doesn’t get a lot of points for dialog and stealth skills if it contains large mandatory parts that ignore dialog and subterfuge skills. There were some really good quests in Bloodlines, like the beach house quest in the beginning. But too many parts were ripped straight from Doom or Zelda with little consideration given to the character’s skills.