Interview Brian Fargo talks about the Wasteland 2 beta at Eurogamer

[hiver]

The reality is, Fargo and Company have created a fucking isometric, tactical, turn-based, grid-based, stat-heavy game in 2014. They did it with a laughably small budget, and almost totally reliant on the goodwill of a bunch of old school gamers and grognards who fueled the company vision with their own nostalgia. That's an accomplishment right there. Even if the game isn't perfect, getting this type of game back on the map is already a huge success.

You know, that can take you only so far.
Whats actually important is not just having those features, but using them to create something good. Or preferably - really good. (while doing it badly will have its own further negative consequences)

None of which has been shown so far, so... what would be the exact reason to back down from negative critiques (which are the only thing that made InXile do anything different, and to try better, btw)?

 

[Brother None]

None of which has been shown so far, so... what would be the exact reason to back down from negative critiques (which are the only thing that made InXile do anything different, and to try better, btw)?

That's not quite true. You'll remember in the update we posted along with the beta going up we noted a lot of the same criticisms a lot of you guys cited after. It's not like we were unaware and 100% satisfied when we put the beta up. As I said a few times already, the criticisms internally and externally largely synced up in broad strokes, which is definitely a good thing. That's not to say the criticism isn't good and exactly what we want and does often point to specific needed improvements or tweaks, just saying, "the only thing" just isn't true.

 

[Decado]

None of which has been shown so far, so...

I wish I had something wittier than "That's just your opinion" but really. . . that's just your opinion. And it appears to be a bad one. They seem to be doing quite well, and have produced something that already stands well-above the usual crowd of AAA horseshit and hilariously named Kickstarters.

 

[Chaotic_Heretic]

Maybe not the next classic, not the next Planescape, not the next FO1, okay sure. Fine..

We are in agreement then. WL2 will fail compared to this classic, because of Fargo's over hyping. And he was a real meanie, calling Fallout "my franchise".

 

[Excidium]

None of which has been shown so far, so...

I wish I had something wittier than "That's just your opinion" but really. . . that's just your opinion. And it appears to be a bad one. They seem to be doing quite well, and have produced something that already stands well-above the usual crowd of AAA horseshit and hilariously named Kickstarters.

What a load of bullshit. What's with all the InXile shills lately? Is this preparation for the beta update?

 

[Decado]

Maybe it is a language barrier but what does it mean to "fail" in "comparison" to some other thing? That reads like gibberish. It is like saying hamburger is a "failure" compared to a good bone-in ribeye. It makes no goddamn sense. You can say that it maybe it isn't as good, or that you prefer the ribeye, but calling it a "failure" is an abuse of language. I repeat: it makes no goddamn sense.

 

[hiver]

Brother None

You know... i wish you people would just once come out with any of it before, not after the fact. And no, i dont remember anything of the sort - you posting a lot of criticism us guys cited after. Complete blank in my memory.

I didnt mean criticism specifically from here, mine or some other individual, btw. I meant critiques and criticism at large.

If it was me, first i would have let people know beta is late and gave them approximate date - which you neglected to do completely, without any sane reason for it, which already pissed a lot of people off.
Then i would have said its an alpha and that it is only a basic layer on which additional content will be built - you did not do that either.
Additionally i would have talked about what that additional content and mechanics are going to be, so people can see what im actually planning or thinking about.

Instead of any of that, "you" talked to game media. Saying nothing but hype, of course.

Basically, talking to you people is the same fucking thing as trying to talk to some parasitic publisher wearing red boots.
And im not trying to be insulting here. I honestly cant see anything else there.

Its a conscious choice your bosses made and there are consequences for that, which im sure youll admit, are pretty low and manageable so far.
Realistically speaking.

Which will disappear once we get something that is actually good. Not before, however that might make some "fans" feel better.

None of which has been shown so far, so...

I wish I had something wittier than "That's just your opinion" but really. . . that's just your opinion. And it appears to be a bad one. They seem to be doing quite well, and have produced something that already stands well-above the usual crowd of AAA horseshit and hilariously named Kickstarters.

I wish you had something other then your opinion which you so clumsily try to paint as something im doing. Again, another extremely emotionally engaged moron projecting his idiocy onto others, thinking it will work... just because you are that stupid.

I made my critiques very clear and precise. Unlike you, im not just spouting my opinion, moron. Of course, there is nothing else you can say, because... there is nothing there.

 

[Decado]

None of which has been shown so far, so...

I wish I had something wittier than "That's just your opinion" but really. . . that's just your opinion. And it appears to be a bad one. They seem to be doing quite well, and have produced something that already stands well-above the usual crowd of AAA horseshit and hilariously named Kickstarters.

What a load of bullshit. What's with all the InXile shills lately? Is this preparation for the beta update?

Well I guess this will just boil down to an argument over taste and expectation, but here goes nothing:

As I said above, they have managed to get an isometric, turn-based, tactical game off the ground with a tiny amount of dough. Even in the unfinished beta phase the game is light years ahead of most of the garbage that gets funded on KS or the stuff you see on Greenlight. Most of the early release content you see on both of those sites ends up being mediocre at best, and a hilarious disaster in all other cases. Rarely does a crowd-funded game go as well as WL2 is doing. Any honest look at the numbers will confirm this.

You know what I think is going on here? Codexers are so used to eating shit that everything tastes like shit. To continue the analogy I used above, WL2 may not end up being a ribeye, but it is good hamburger at the very least. After a steady diet of shit, only a dope would spit out hamburger because it isn't the ribeye. At the end of the day, I'll be eating the hamburger and the dope will still have shit in his mouth.

 

[Decado]

None of which has been shown so far, so...

I wish I had something wittier than "That's just your opinion" but really. . . that's just your opinion. And it appears to be a bad one. They seem to be doing quite well, and have produced something that already stands well-above the usual crowd of AAA horseshit and hilariously named Kickstarters.

I wish you had something other then your opinion which you so clumsily try to paint as something im doing. Again, another extremely emotionally engaged moron projecting his idiocy onto others, thinking it will work... just because you are that stupid.

I made my critiques very clear and precise. Unlike you, im not just spouting my opinion, moron. Of course, there is nothing else you can say, because... there is nothing there.

You should get mad and post on the internet about it.

 

[hiver]

That doesnt do anything different then your previous post, you stupid incoherent shit.

 

[Decado]

Seems like you took my advice.

 

[hiver]

of course not, you imbecile. Youre just a laughable stupid turd. No anger required and you have no advices to give.

As I said above, they have managed to get a isometric, turn-based, tactical, game off the ground with a tiny amount of dough.

Tiny?
As i said above those features are meaningless just by themselves. And it is our tiny dough that was given, up front, in advance - based on those features and good faith.
Thats as far as it gets you.

Criticism will be better, when the game actually becomes better. You can scream about it all you want - it aint going to change.

Even in the unfinished beta phase the game is light years ahead of most of the garbage that gets funded on KS or the stuff you see on Greenlight.

Stupid empty declarative statement with zero actual meaning.

Most of the early release content you see on both of those sites ends up being mediocre at best, and a hilarious disaster in all other cases.

Thats exactly what first beta is.

Rarely does a crowd-funded game go as well as WL2 is doing.

wut?

Any honest look at the numbers will confirm this.

which... "numbers"?

You know what I think is going on here?

Oh...do tell..

Codexers are so used to eating shit that everything tastes like shit. To continue the analogy I used above, WL2 may not end up being a ribeye, but it is good hamburger at the very least. After a steady diet of shit, only a dope would spit out hamburger because it isn't the ribeye. At the end of the day, I'll be eating the hamburger and the dope will still have shit in his mouth.

Im afraid you are infact gobbling down a hamburger made out of shit that someone sold to you with stickers saying its actual meat. Lowly taste, isnt it shitface?

While true codexers just keep getting leaner and meaner. Because those of us who have been offered that same hamburger a lot of times learned to smell it a mile away. Hence we dont eat them like you imbeciles.

 

[Decado]

No anger required

*gets really mad*

 

[Lerk]

...you imbecile. Youre just a laughable stupid turd. No anger required

Yeah. You showed him.

 

[hiver]

gee... how long are you going to keep trying the same stupid schtick? Are you so desperate that you are actually trying to convince yourself its true?

do i see that little shit smeared face turning red slowly... hmm?

wanna go for another spin?

 

[Lerk]

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[Decado]

gee... how long are you going to keep trying the same stupid schtick? Are you so desperate that you are actually trying to convince yourself its true?

do i see that little shit smeared face turning red slowly... hmm?

wanna go for another spin?

You know, one of the best ways to learn about someone is to just let them talk. So far, I've learned that you are deathly afraid of being embarrassed on a message board, and you apparently view internet discussions as some kind real-life confrontation.

Also, you have a tendency to congratulate yourself.

 

[Infinitron]

Decado http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/index.php?members/hiver.9053/ignore

 

[Decado]

Nah. Thanks, though!

 

[DeepOcean]

gee... how long are you going to keep trying the same stupid schtick? Are you so desperate that you are actually trying to convince yourself its true?

do i see that little shit smeared face turning red slowly... hmm?

wanna go for another spin?

You know, one of the best ways to learn about someone is to just let them talk. So far, I've learned that you are deathly afraid of being embarrassed on a message board, and you apparently view internet discussions as some kind real-life confrontation.

Also, you have a tendency to congratulate yourself.

Hiver doesn't have well manners but you are using that to avoid adressing his points. If you want to argue how Wasteland 2 is amazing, do so but "LOL, U mad, I win." is clueless fanboy tactic.

 

[Decado]

I never said it was "amazing" there, chief. You are making the same idiotic mistake the guy with no manners is making. I said it will probably not be another Planescape or FO1, but that I am okay with that. I've also said that what they've produced so far looks pretty nice, and is already distinguishing itself from the normal AAA nonsense and failed Kickstarter pitches. You calling me a "fanboy" is hilariously uninformed.

Jesus Christ is this a language barrier thing, or what? What prevents people from reading what is right in front of them? Or better yet, adding shit that isn't there? Further, why do I feel like I am arguing with 13 year olds?

 

[Monty]

Without getting involved in the current argument, I was really looking forward to this game and, like Decado, was happy that such a game is being made (in 2014) at all. Many others here seemed to agree. Ignoring some of the inevitable nitpicks about early screenshots etc, a lot of the problems seem to stem from the beta release which was a disappointment in many ways.

Having said that, they've listened and appear to be making a lot of changes, as well as clarifying just how early that 'beta' was. I've started taking this feedback loop for granted but every now and again remind myself that it's a big improvement on the days when we'd first get a look at the game on release, the take-it-or-leave-it stage. And I appreciate the efforts they're putting in, not just getting something limited out the door like the Shadowrun OC.

So while some are bitching about the beta and others are happy the game is being made at all I find myself in the unusual situation (for the 'Dex) of not really disagreeing with either position. And occasionally when the 'everything is shit' angle gets too overpowering I remember 3 or 4 years ago when I'd basically given up on new games and only occasionally played the old classics.

 

[Excidium]

Look at the shill resorting to baiting hiver in an effort to look like the reasonable side now.

 

[Onholyservicebound]

I had a feeling this thread would degrade into a defense of battered pride the moment I saw Decado's post. Thanks Decado.

 

[hiver]

Who is baiting who, eh?

The usual.
Nothing real to say, just his idiotic opinions based on nothing and laughably bad imagination, repeatedly just making stupid statements in desperate attempt to make it seem real.

You know, one of the best ways to learn about someone is to just let them talk.

Indeed. Unfortunately, youre too stupid to see to whom this is actually referring to. Which makes it a bit funny, although mostly pathetic.

What i did, basically is - ive given you at least three opportunities to respond with anything else but your idiotic empty, invented opinions.

What you did in response, is - you confirmed repeatedly how pathetic and stupid you are. With nothing better to clutch onto then laughable idiocies about who got angry.
And why? Just because im telling you what you obviously are. Empty, retarded dumbfuck with cheap elementary school level retorts.



The rest of you geniuses around might have noticed these past few years that im actually always giving you shits your three generous chances, each and every single time this happens.
Go and check. (naturally, after you exhaust first three chances you dont get any more)

And i do that out of shear generosity and incredible goodness of my heart.