Chefe Reviews Oblivion

[spacemoose]

Anyway, it's been a long day, and it's time to hit the sack. Take it easy guys. Catch you tomorrow.

don't come back now ya hear

 

[Makus]

Pretty much every game gets an 8-9 these days, and most of them really suck. A lot.

From what we know about the game, it would have no appeal to someone who is expecting something like fallout, ultima, wizardry, or pretty much any good rpg I can think of.

I've liked daggerfall, i've liked both fallout's, i've liked ultima, wizardry, and so on. And i liked Morrowind, and i know i will like Oblivion. Just like somenone said: a lot of people are bitching about oblivion, because it's less "complicated" than daggerfall. Less skills, less quests, etc. But i'm happy that they'll give me more indepth quests instead of giving me randomly generated fedex quests, or go and kill someone quests. Imagine fallout with daggerfall like quests :>
Ok, but my point is: don't tell me i'm a child, because i think i will like oblivion. I'm into RPG's since the begining of the genre, and still find Oblivion attractive. I can see some issues in it, that i won't like, but i know there will never be a PERFECT game. There always be something to bitch about, but if there are more "in plus" aspects than "in minus" aspects, then i'm into it. What else can i play? Still the same oldschool games?

 

[Jason]

You're right Makus. You're not a child, you're just a cool guy that likes to game, just like me.

And Bolgard:
"It's about that neurosis behind some of the differences in opinion. As I've said before, that take-it-personally attitude, the elitism, that irrational *hatred* that some exibit."

I actually know where you're coming from. This site is cool and I've met some really nice people here, but some people get all irrational and judgemental when I talk about raping teenage boys. Boy rape is my thing but some 'Codexers' just don't get it and accuse me of being messed up just because I'm into something they're not. I mean, it's not like I play Halo or something fucked up like that. But I just take it in stride, turn on some tunes, and keep on raping teenage boys.

But yeah, it's late so I'm taking off. Take it easy bro and stay strong.

 

[Xi]

lol

 

[dongle]

I guess you don't understand the difference between what you said and what I said. Alright.

OK, I'll quote it again:

Doesn't have to do with opinions, it has to do with the attitude driving those opinions and the neurotic stuff going on under the hood. It doesn't really bother me, it's just, well, like I said, kind of sad.

OK, so like blowing into a Ford dealership and calling them emotionally disturbed for liking Fords?

You say; Folks here have an underlying neurosis tainting their opinion of Oblivion. You offer them your condescending pity. This in a repose to Data4 pointing out that folks have different tastes and it's OK.

I say; wait a sec, saying differing options are OK, then calling folks emotionally disturbed for having them is just fuckwitted. I'm using the Ford analogy to continue Data4's thought.

Got it?

 

[Makus]

You're right Makus. You're not a child, you're just a cool guy that likes to game, just like me.

Good for you that you admitted that. It's the first step to begin function normally in the society

 

[Lumpy]

Maybe you should have a bit of a lie-down.

Honestly I don't get the Oblivion-hatred either. It's not a game for me but some people will enjoy it. I don't give a damn about that either, Bethesda making Oblivion has no impact on me whatsoever.

Many of the 'Codexers' (this is how it seems to me) blame Oblivion for their own misery (ie lack of games they like). They think that because Oblivion is being made somehow money/energy is 'taken out' of making the games they want.

Hey, hating Oblivion because of that is reasonable.
What disgusts me are moronic comments like the one I posted above. Bashing Oblivion with reason is good, but bashing it mindlessly because of things that are actually good is idiotic.

 

[Gnidrologist]

Well, mostly Oblivion bashing is concerning it's RPG qualities so it's quite natural as this site is dedicated to RPG games.

Oblivion will be nice or even excelent game, but that doesn't change the fact that most probably it will be shit from role playing aspect. Information that has been fed to us is confirming it mostly, sorry.

Codex people doesn't bitch about HL2, Doom3 or FEAR because they're to action or lack the elements of RPG, right? It's different genre and it's ok.
The problem with Oblivion is that it has been hyped as an RPG all the time and not only that, but it's even hyped as some kind of milestone in the genre whereas in reality it actually is steping away from the genre some of us are fond of.
It's turning more into a action game with stats and that's ok as long as devs and gaming press admits it. But the problem is, they don't. They like to say that TES4 is some kind of an achievement in cRPG evolution and that is porbably the main thing that pisses many cRPG fans off.

 

[Lumpy]

Of course. I agree that Oblivion will not be the best RPG ever. However, the quests, as you can see even in the strategy guide pages posted in here, are much better than Morrowind's. One is a competiton with two other thieves, in another there is some interesting backstory, and in the others there are some plot-twists. The combat is stat based, since the stats affect how much damage you deal. And, aweigh, it IS a game.

 

[Data4]

Well, mostly Oblivion bashing is concerning it's RPG qualities so it's quite natural as this site is dedicated to RPG games.

Oblivion will be nice or even excelent game, but that doesn't change the fact that most probably it will be shit from role playing aspect. Information that has been fed to us is confirming it mostly, sorry.

Codex people doesn't bitch about HL2, Doom3 or FEAR because they're to action or lack the elements of RPG, right? It's different genre and it's ok.
The problem with Oblivion is that it has been hyped as an RPG all the time and not only that, but it's even hyped as some kind of milestone in the genre whereas in reality it actually is steping away from the genre some of us are fond of.
It's turning more into a action game with stats and that's ok as long as devs and gaming press admits it. But the problem is, they don't. They like to say that TES4 is some kind of an achievement in cRPG evolution and that is porbably the main thing that pisses many cRPG fans off.

I can't speak for everyone else, but I have to say, bingo. You win the prize. Oblivion may end up being the best medieval/fantasy action-adventure game out there, but the roleplaying aspects don't look promising.

Why can't any of the other newcomers get it?

-D4

 

[Lumpy]

Oblivion may end up being the best medieval/fantasy action game out there
-D4

Not all people agree:

Just to beat a dead horse... I wasn't arguing, I was stating a fact. Whoever is expecting a game out of Oblivion is living on the fucking moon. I win?

Oblivion won't be the worst game ever. I am convinced it will be the worst THING ever.

I don't think many fanboys who come in here complain about intelligent criticism, but about idiotic bashing.

 

[Data4]

Oblivion may end up being the best medieval/fantasy action game out there
-D4

Not all people agree:

Just to beat a dead horse... I wasn't arguing, I was stating a fact. Whoever is expecting a game out of Oblivion is living on the fucking moon. I win?

Oblivion won't be the worst game ever. I am convinced it will be the worst THING ever.

With all due respect to both Aweigh and Bryce, I can almost guarantee they'll get it and play it. It may not be purchased, and it may not be completed, but they'll play it. If nothing else, the curiosity will kill them.

-D4

 

[Gwendo]

I'm guessing the review will appear only when the game is available to everyone. I wonder why...

 

[OverrideB1]

Why is it retarded when you are biased, moronic, haters.

Because it is fucking retarded - that's why. You like the game (even though you haven't played it?) Great - you're a drooling, Oblivion-obsessed fanboy. See how that works now?

I won't be buying it, and I sure as hell won't be wasting bandwidth downloading it. This has nothing to do with the fact I "hate" Oblivion or that I "hate" Bethesda. It has everything to do with the fact that - in my opinion - the game is not a RPG it is an action-RPG (which I dislike); the graphics have taken precedence over gameplay; a whole bunch of morons who, collectively, didn't have triple-digit IQ's were used as a basis for the "target-audience".

You don't have to agree with my assessment of the game - your like/dislike of Oblivion has absolutely zero effect on my decision to buy or not to buy. When I've seen an unbiased review, then I will make a decision on whether to buy it second-hand come 2007 or stick with playing M&B

 

[yipsl]

We hate Oblivion for different reasons - aka it being a fucking trainwreck of a game.

Who says it's a 'trainwreck of a game'? I don't see any evidence for that. In fact, the evidence points to it being a pretty impressive game in its own right - a bigger and much improved Morrowind.

Its failings are as a continuation of the TES series. To fans of Daggerfall in particular, this game represents the continued failure to build on the foundations laid by that game. Oblivion is a step backward in roleplaying, in choices and decision-making, and in the vast, procedurally designed game-world ideas of that classic of the genre.

I'm come to the conclusion that Oblivion is the next Arena. It's starting the series over for both mainstream gamers and Morrowind gamers. It only takes what it wants from Daggerfall, and that's not much. I'll judge the series with the next game. If they begin adding with expansions and non item based downloads to Oblivion, and then offer up a more Daggerfallish experience with TES V, then I'll be quite happy.

I don't think Bethsoft is going to abandon focus groups. I don't think they're going to stop the mainstream marketing. Yet, they can do that and still maintain some genuine artistic RPG vision. Only time will tell. As far as it goes, I like the countdown videos. the NPCs in motion look better than in the screenshots. We'll see how well it rates as an action RPG of Daggerfall's class. From what I know, I'll give it a 70% It's not a total disaster of an RPG but it's more of a dungeon hack than Daggerfall.

Martin the heir starting out as a monk answers some Nine Divines related questions I had, that they left it out as a joinable faction for plot reasons. I still don't know why they ditched Holidays, and Pete's no help there, because it was obviously "something they wanted to do" because kathode didn't bring it up for nothing. It either got axed for budget reasons or because some suit decided it did badly in a focus group.

I just heard that information about Morrowind and now I'm thinking...what the hell? What was the point of having your character go through all that trouble of SAVING TEH WARLD!? I guess it's an interesting along the lines of the banished savior in Fallout...Still it kind of makes the last game's effort seem all for naught. I mean, Akavir. Comon. Why?

Actually, that would probably yield a much more intestering chapter to TES. A game revolving around Akavir. There's some original unexplored territory there. Strange creatures, varied lands, rich lore, a popularity fight against an entirely wary population. It would certainly do away with the generic LOTD style stuff and breathe some new life into the series.

Why not? They could have the next game set in Akavir where you'd try to find out what happened to the Nereverine. I'm happy I read the spoilers as I can't get the game or strategy guide till April Fool's Day. The Empire's crumbling from the edges while it crumbles from the center makes sense too.

Vivec destroyed by Daedra. Well, they did it once to Mournhold. Just wonder how the Imperial garrison at Ebonheart's holding out? You'd think the Nords would ally with Redoran against the Daedra, but old hatreds go deep.

 

[Twinfalls]

But I just take it in stride, turn on some tunes, and keep on raping teenage boys.

But yeah, it's late so I'm taking off. Take it easy bro and stay strong.

AHAHAhahahahahaha

 

[Diogo Ribeiro]

I don't think many fanboys who come in here complain about intelligent criticism, but about idiotic bashing.

Of course they don't complain about intelligent criticism; they just skip it and immediately state that what everyone does here is just idiotic bashing. Even when they spot worthwhile criticism, most of them just go stating that it's "just your opinion".

 

[yipsl]

But I just take it in stride, turn on some tunes, and keep on raping teenage boys.

But yeah, it's late so I'm taking off. Take it easy bro and stay strong.

AHAHAhahahahahaha

The fanboys at the official boards are often early teen kids who don't know any better, but they can grow up and can be educated in the lore and the series' history. Most of the RPG elitists here, and I tend towards RPG elitism; albeit while recognizing different subgenres, are closer to my age.

Anyone who still behaves so antisocially (even on the net) when they're that old, then they don't have social skills or maturity. Regarding game content, they come across as so ossified in their opinions that they won't like anything that they didn't like in their personal glory days. They might even be schizoid if they think that child rape jokes are funny, or worse if they make those kind of jokes.

Folks here have an underlying neurosis tainting their opinion of Oblivion. You offer them your condescending pity. This in a repose to Data4 pointing out that folks have different tastes and it's OK.

I say; wait a sec, saying differing options are OK, then calling folks emotionally disturbed for having them is just fuckwitted. I'm using the Ford analogy to continue Data4's thought.

Got it?

Some people here seem emotionally disturbed to me, and I was invited here quite awhile back, but didn't make this my primary RPG board because of content like that mentioned above.

 

[Klinn]

Why can't any of the other newcomers get it?

Because they don't take the time to read previous threads to learn what "RPG" really means. Instead they assume that because a company calls something an RPG, it must be true, therefore criticism of it not being an RPG doesn't make sense to them.

 

[Twinfalls]

Regarding game content, they come across as so ossified in their opinions that they won't like anything that they didn't like in their personal glory days. They might even be schizoid if they think that child rape jokes are funny, or worse if they make those kind of jokes.

AHAHAhahahahahaha!

Context, you silly man.

 

[Venom]

Why can't any of the other newcomers get it?

Because they don't take the time to read previous threads to learn what "RPG" really means. Instead they assume that because a company calls something an RPG, it must be true, therefore criticism of it not being an RPG doesn't make sense to them.

It's not that. It's that while I understand that Oblivion will be a shit RPG, I don't think it will be a shit game...Yet people here say that it's not even a game! Now, if this isn't dumb....

 

[Pr()ZaC]

Chefe?

 

[Data4]

Am I the one out of the loop? See, I don't take this place seriously. Wait, scratch that, I take the content seriously, such as the excellent interviews as of late...

As for the forums, I dunno, maybe I've got a sixth sense and can interpret a poster's intent in their post. I simply cannot place myself in a lofty enough position to bring mysef to badmouth someone for making a satirical, ironic, tongue-in-cheek, and purposely scandalous post here.

Should I be taking things more seriously here in the forums? Am I the one misinterpreting things? I laughed out loud when I read baby arm's post. Was I wrong?

God damn, I'm confused.

-D4

 

[Makus]

The true definition of an RPG:
The thing that makes an RPG an RPG is the Role Playing aspect. If you can play a character that evolves in any way, you have an RPG. Also dungeons...you can't have an RPG without dungeons.

Sooo... You agree with that?

 

[burrie]

Meh, to each his own.