Review Choose Your Own Fallout 3

[TNO]

I think, given these are the same people who came up with three dog, staying away from race/ethnic issues is a very, very good idea.

 

[Fez]

Agreed. Don't go to Fallout 3 for deep insights into these issues.

 

[Konjad]

you just dont get deep, hidden meaning of fo3. I dont too. We're too stupid and only intelligent personas like todd are able to do so. So just praise them and believe in their masterminds while stopping these useless discussions

 

[Dick.]

I think, given these are the same people who came up with three dog, staying away from race/ethnic issues is a very, very good idea.

The only color Bethesda cares about is green. Racism does not sell in this multikult (western) world.

Although FO3 is pretty good for what it is. I can be borderline retarded and get enjoyment out of it.

 

[The Todd]

intelligent personas like todd

Fallout 3 was my gift to you, bro!

 

[Dick.]

 

[Clockwork Knight]

Re. gender, I would actually have found it very interesting (if perhaps unmarketably grim) to have the game portray a woman's life in the Wasteland as a lot harder than a man's.

i so wanna hear the arguments for that.

Well, being overpowered on every dispute, for one. Only recently women are having a more or less equal standing on society, I imagine it would quickly go to "keep sucking and cooking and be happy I don't slit your throat" on a post-apoc society

The race thing is something I thought of touching on, but my post was already getting pretty intolerably long. But what I was going to say was: my character was a black woman, and as far as I can tell her blackness had no effect whatever on my play experience.

On the other hand, in the context of the game fiction, I felt like that *did* make sense: racism tends to be much more about cultural and economic divisions and social history than it is about skin tone or facial structure. In the Wasteland, the divisions between people had shifted to be not about skin tone and to be about other things. (The whole Tenpenny Tower situation and the treatment of ghouls functions as the in-fiction version of racism.)

Well, Fallout bible says that racism and sexism is alive and well in the Fallout setting. Maybe they just didn't have guts to include it. Or at least one developer thinks that it still exist but didn't have guts to include it.

I believe sexism would be stronger as in the past, but I don't think the other guy being black or whatever would be a big issue when you have giant, mindless smug green guys walking around, and some other guys have rotten skin.

 

[The Wizard]

Well, being overpowered on every dispute, for one. Only recently women are having a more or less equal standing on society, I imagine it would quickly go to "keep sucking and cooking and be happy I don't slit your throat" on a post-apoc society

which is of course far worse than being ripped in two by freak mutants while on the hunt in the wasteland.

 

[Awor Szurkrarz]

cRPGs would be much better if they would feature rape as a possible consequence of selecting a female protagonist.

 

[Xor]

cRPGs would be much better if they would feature rape as a possible consequence of selecting a female protagonist.

I agree with this.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

Well, being overpowered on every dispute, for one. Only recently women are having a more or less equal standing on society, I imagine it would quickly go to "keep sucking and cooking and be happy I don't slit your throat" on a post-apoc society

which is of course far worse than being ripped in two by freak mutants while on the hunt in the wasteland.

That'll happen to men and women alike, muties don't discriminate

 

[Dick.]

cRPGs would be much better if they would feature rape as a possible consequence of selecting a female protagonist.

 

[racofer]

 

[The Wizard]

That'll happen to men and women alike, muties don't discriminate

women on a hunting trip? you're so silly.

stop being silly.

 

[Davaris]

cRPGs would be much better if they would feature rape as a possible consequence of selecting a female protagonist.

Haven't you seen Deliverance?

 

[Azrael the cat]

Well, being overpowered on every dispute, for one. Only recently women are having a more or less equal standing on society, I imagine it would quickly go to "keep sucking and cooking and be happy I don't slit your throat" on a post-apoc society

which is of course far worse than being ripped in two by freak mutants while on the hunt in the wasteland.

You're forgetting two very important things.

Firstly, in the bad old days, most women still weren't raped and literally chained to the kitchen, (not disputing they had it bad, but it wasn't warzone Africa). The 'mass rape' events tend be inflicted during war against women on the 'other side' because they can dehumanise them - so women caught by the supermutants would be in trouble, but they aren't going to be there to be raped in their own towns. You see, the FIRST thing you're forgetting is that systems of chauvinism were always accompanied by some accompanying moral system based around protecting the women. Even from a purely selfish viewpoint, men wanted to know whether a kid is their's or someone else's, so they were pretty darn protective about those things. But chauvinism and chivalry went hand in hand (its why the latter died when the former did) - systems of controlling sexual urges to prevent rape and to prevent the producing of children with no clear father to provide for them. So a reversion to past society doesn't make the women all rape victims - you'd see a return to pseudo-knightly chivalry and polite courting. Of course that might 'sound' nice, but ultimately the woman is still left with no say and no power, which is why it they revolted against it.

Second big thing you're forgetting? Guns. Guns change everything. The whole basis of male-female domination is having a MASSIVE strength and combat advantage. Minor differences in stamina and ability to carry a gun are not enough. As Hobbes put it (in far more eloquent terms, obviously) you can't whoop everybody all the time, and even those weaker then you can still kill you when they take you by surprise, or in superior numbers - so you're forced to bring them into the circle of cooperation. There just isn't the massive difference in combat ability between males and females when they're all armed. In fact there WILL be massive imbalances, slavery and so on but it won't be based on gender. If a woman in a town is the only person packing an assault rifle,, and everyone else is running around without access to firearms, all those blokes are going to end up her slaves and will be doing HER laundry.

 

[Azrael the cat]

cRPGs would be much better if they would feature rape as a possible consequence of selecting a female protagonist.

Haven't you seen Deliverance?

Exactly - if you think being a rape victim is a purely female thing, you might be in for a long hard shock one day

 

[GarfunkeL]

you might be in for a long hard cock one day

Fixed.

you'd see a return to pseudo-knightly chivalry and polite courting.

Maybe after a while but during the "fall" and as long as society is deeply in turmoil - not so much. Knowing the father of your kids is important if property is passed paternally, which hasn't always been the case in human history and that wouldn't matter much soon after society collapsed.

 

[Xor]

Fallout 3 takes place, what, 200 years after the bomb? That's enough time for civilization to change completely.



Fuck, I can't believe I'm sticking up for that shit game.

 

[GarfunkeL]

I don't take that 200 years into account at all. Since it flies against EVERYTHING in the game, my mind just blanks out whatever idiotic shit Pete fed to the journos. Was the 200 years said in-game at any point? Can't remember.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

That'll happen to men and women alike, muties don't discriminate

women on a hunting trip? you're so silly.

stop being silly.

it doesn't really make sense until you can repeat it ten times quick while the muties invade your town and rapekill everyone

Was the 200 years said in-game at any point? Can't remember.

The dates on the virtual diaries, for one. But since that gap is only there to guarantee Billy the Xbawkser won't think there's anything related to the previous games, things get a lot less jarring when you...forget about it.

As Hobbes put it (in far more eloquent terms, obviously) you can't whoop everybody all the time, and even those weaker then you can still kill you when they take you by surprise, or in superior numbers - so you're forced to bring them into the circle of cooperation. There just isn't the massive difference in combat ability between males and females when they're all armed. In fact there WILL be massive imbalances, slavery and so on but it won't be based on gender. If a woman in a town is the only person packing an assault rifle,, and everyone else is running around without access to firearms, all those blokes are going to end up her slaves and will be doing HER laundry.

Didn't you just contradict yourself? Even if they don't have firearms, she's gonna have to sleep sometime.

 

[Awor Szurkrarz]

cRPGs would be much better if they would feature rape as a possible consequence of selecting a female protagonist.

Haven't you seen Deliverance?

Exactly - if you think being a rape victim is a purely female thing, you might be in for a long hard shock one day

Ha. It reminds me how some guys wanted to rape Felix in one of the * Slayer books.

If a woman in a town is the only person packing an assault rifle,, and everyone else is running around without access to firearms, all those blokes are going to end up her slaves and will be doing HER laundry.

She would probably get forcibly penetrated with tens of cocks as soon as she would put the gun away.

That'll happen to men and women alike, muties don't discriminate

women on a hunting trip? you're so silly.

stop being silly.

it doesn't really make sense until you can repeat it ten times quick while the muties invade your town and rapekill everyone

The irony would be excellent.