People News Chris Avellone grows a pair and fights back against being cancelled

[Storyfag]

It wasn't an affair. She was raped.

Ah, so all is back to the Giovanni idea of "normal" then. Christopher needn't worry about his position in the family at all.

 

[Grotesque]

Avellone and 2 other guys went to a room

no.

 

[Dycedarg]

Avellone and 2 other guys went to a room

no.

They also left together...

 

[Can't handle the bacon]

There's not a single reason to believe these accusations are anything more than yet another episode in a long and tired series of attempts to purge absolutely all forms of media and entertainment of wrongthink.

Rather than spending a single split second contemplating the possibility of obvious targeted slander being actually true, I'll resort to simply hoping that MCA gets through this cancel culture attack without being either having his life destroyed, or cucking out under pressure.

P. S. Can someone plz delete the previous post, too much pathos lol. Not sure why I can't delete it myself.

 

[ADULF HITLOR FAN KLUB]

Which evil person moved/deleted the last pages of discussion?

There were some juicy takes, that I wanted to thoroughly read, and now it is all gone.

 

[Rean]

Which evil person moved/deleted the last pages of discussion?

There were some juicy takes, that I wanted to thoroughly read, and now it is all gone.

They're worried the bantz will reflect badly on Christopher Avelloni and wreck his case. SAD!

 

[gaussgunner]

NOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST HIT ON WOMEN HELP ME GAME JOURNALISM

When you SLAPP women in California, you get SLAPPbacked. Old man MCA is going to have to start working on 5 kickstarters per year to pay for the follow up court case.

And just like that, the Age of Decline ended practically overnight and RPGs were great again.

 

[rojay]

However, this does not impact Chris's case or situation at all.


Edit: In general this is how the situations that effectively put the onus on the defendant work. It isn't that they presume someone who is accused is guilty, it is that they effectively set the bar so low for an accuser that they can get away with presenting incredibly flimsy or flawed evidence while the defendant is required to present much more solid evidence to successfully refute it.

Technically, not quite 'guilty until innocent', but pretty close to it.

I removed the bits about disparate impact, but thanks for that.

I am not licensed to practice in California and this is not legal advice, but defamation is pretty uniformly interpreted in U.S. courts. The plaintiff in a defamation case has to prove that the defendant(s) said 1) something that is provably false, 2) to a third party with no interest in the dispute (usually called "publication"), 3) that the defendant knew or should have known in the exercise of reasonable care that the statement was false and 4) that the statement caused the plaintiff damages.

There are a lot of issues to puzzle out where each of those elements is concerned, and it gets more complicated when the plaintiff is a "public figure," and/or when the statements are made about matters of public interest. Avellone may be a public figure, and so may have to prove "actual malice," (meaning that the defendants knew what they said was not true), but maybe not, because the subject of the suit almost certainly isn't of public interest.

It's actually a really interesting area of the law. There's a great book on a seminal 1st Amendment case, New York Times v. Sullivan, that's worth reading called Make No Law, by Anthony Lewis. (Edited to remove a wonky link.)

 

[Grimlorn]

Just because you two had a fling in the past doesn't mean you can't feel like apologizing profusely when your misunderstood spontaneous advance is rejected. Not in 2010s, not in America and not when you are a liberal who fancies himself a gentleman and a nice guy.

She was so deeply offended by it that she gave him the silent treatment and posted it on her facebook with his details edited out the next day with a "Why are men in the gaming industry like this?!?!?!" message. If they had done that kind of thing before, I don't believe the reaction would have been that severe, just an "Ew, no."

Yeah, and how much you want to bet posting that on Facebook, and making a big deal about it led to her eventually getting into the industry? How much you want to bet she used Chris Avellone as a reference after that as he would have been all too quick to placate her so she didn't reveal his name on those texts or DMs. It comes to mind the only reason such a woman would post those comments is to feign outrage over it and gain something out of it. Not just social media sympathy but a path into the industry she's been trying to join. Woman flirts with guy, then when guy goes "overboard" with a drunken text, the woman feigns outrage and now the guy has to apologize and owes her one. I don't know this is exactly what happened, but it seems very likely, and very manipulative.

 

[50726f73706572]

Jurror pool below

This guy looks like he's about to split right in the middle into two by mitosis.

You will not divide us!

 

[DarkUnderlord]

Which evil person moved/deleted the last pages of discussion?

There were some juicy takes, that I wanted to thoroughly read, and now it is all gone.

Infinitron's been moving it all into the 300+ page thread in Gaming Drama because ALL THINGS MUST BE MERGED.

It's why the Jeff Johnson link kept getting reposted. It was posted, then posts were moved, then re-posted, then those posts were moved, and so on.

Just because you two had a fling in the past doesn't mean you can't feel like apologizing profusely when your misunderstood spontaneous advance is rejected. Not in 2010s, not in America and not when you are a liberal who fancies himself a gentleman and a nice guy.

She was so deeply offended by it that she gave him the silent treatment and posted it on her facebook with his details edited out the next day with a "Why are men in the gaming industry like this?!?!?!" message. If they had done that kind of thing before, I don't believe the reaction would have been that severe, just an "Ew, no."

Yeah, and how much you want to bet posting that on Facebook, and making a big deal about it led to her eventually getting into the industry? How much you want to bet she used Chris Avellone as a reference after that as he would have been all too quick to placate her so she didn't reveal his name on those texts or DMs. It comes to mind the only reason such a woman would post those comments is to feign outrage over it and gain something out of it. Not just social media sympathy but a path into the industry she's been trying to join. Woman flirts with guy, then when guy goes "overboard" with a drunken text, the woman feigns outrage and now the guy has to apologize and owes her one. I don't know this is exactly what happened, but it seems very likely, and very manipulative.

She used Chris to get into the industry, then when Chris no longer had any use, discarded him for social points. I think Melcar had something to say about this.

 

[Morblot]

Ban Infinitron

 

[Quillon]

She used Chris to get into the industry, then when Chris no longer had any use, discarded him for social points.

Sounds similar to what Katrina did then. Tho she only Chris after the accusations with a tweet saying believe all women or something.

Tell us how you became involved with Obsidian Entertainment

I’ve worked at Obsidian for four and a half years now, and it’s all thanks to randomly meeting Chris Avellone at GDC back in 2013 (because who doesn’t know Chris Avellone?). Later in the year he recommended me for a production position at Obsidian, and that’s where I began my journey...

https://www.impulsegamer.com/katrina-garsten-interview-pillars-eternity-ii-deadfire/

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ed: I checked to see IIRC; she posted this right after the accusations but didn't say anything about Chris directly apparently:

Oh oh, who abused this girl here at Obsidian? MCA has to answer for one more crime.

The pathetic part is that when she says "I'm not ready to talk yet", it doesn't mean that mentally she is not ready. It is that she doesn't want to burn the bridges with some companies, in case he needs a job there. Being the opportunist as she is.

 

[Tacgnol]

She used Chris to get into the industry, then when Chris no longer had any use, discarded him for social points. I think Melcar had something to say about this.

Also, Jacqui was flirting outrageously with Chris on various places for the best part of a year.

Chris did send an admittedly poorly written and rather tasteless message, but considering the type of messages Jacqui had been sending him, his messages weren't exactly out of nowhere.

 

[Melcar]

Yep, all whores.

 

[RRRrrr]

Not a lawyer in any jurisdiction, but there are at least some civil matters where the onus is explicitly on the defendant to prove that they acted properly.

This is a misrepresentation of the law. In civil cases, you do not have to prove intent (as in fault or negligence), intent is presumed and the respondent (defendant) has the onus to prove lack of intent, i.e. lack of guilt. You still have to prove that the action was performed.

When it comes to defamation cases, the plaintiff has to prove 1. That the statement was made to a third party; 2. That the statement was defamatory, i.e. damaging to the reputation; the respondent (defendant) can defend himself either by showing the statement was not made, or that the statement was true.

However, none of this means that the defendant has any onus to explicitly prove anything. The plaintiff (claimant) still has the onus to prove the facts that his claim is based on. A simple statement is not sufficient in any way-without proof, the claim will always be dismissed.

 

[Can't handle the bacon]

I hope the anus of the law will never be explicitly upon me.

 

[Aemar]

or maybe I'm just bitter over torment 2

There is no Torment 2.

He doesn't need to write another PT considering the torments he's been through since last year.

 

[Eli_Havelock]

 

[Fenix]

vietnamese or ukrainian

Vietnamese is better, ukrainian ones love to push husbands around. Don't.

 

[mediocrepoet]

or maybe I'm just bitter over torment 2

There is no Torment 2.

He doesn't need to write another PT considering the torments he's been through since last year.

What can change the nature of a thot?

 

[rusty_shackleford]

or maybe I'm just bitter over torment 2

There is no Torment 2.

He doesn't need to write another PT considering the torments he's been through since last year.

What can change the nature of a thot?

Hitting the wall.

 

[JBro]

What can change the nature of a thot?

A closed fist.

 

[Ihavenoidea]

What can change the nature of a thot?

credits to 4chan

 

[jackofshadows]

Funny that it was actually made by a codexer and posted some time ago when Jaquii's secret was just revealed.