Confirmation that Aurora is inferior to IE

[SpaceKungFuMan]

J.E. Sawyer - In this case I am correct, because I actually understand how the underlying code that governs combat and states works in the IE and Aurora. Responsiveness, in this context defined as how quickly the game updates states after player input is given, is consistently faster and more reliable in IE than Aurora.

http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php ... t&p=873147

The real question is why the engine was released in this state, and why noone has managed to fix such a huge problem. This raises the ugly possibility that NWN2: OC and MotB had such easy combat because tactical combat would be too frustrating with the poor engine lagging and sometimes missing input.

 

[Volourn]

Proves nothing. Aurora reacts very quick for me. Instanteous actually. I press the mouse (or key), and presto what i wanted to happen happens. No different than the IE (or any other engine).

NWN2's combat was easy because of lacking combat encounter deisgn. Afterall, PST had the so called awesome IE, and it had some fo the easiest combat ever. *shrug*

Mr. Sawyer isn't always right. Heck, he's proven that with some of his silly implementations (ie randomness in IWD2 = billions of ice darts, lol). Thankfully, he still helps to make good fun games for the most part.

But, I don't take what he says for gospel. I trust my experience with the games and engines personally more. Sorry.

 

[SpaceKungFuMan]

Proves nothing. Aurora reacts very quick for me. Instanteous actually. I press the mouse (or key), and presto what i wanted to happen happens. No different than the IE (or any other engine).

NWN2's combat was easy because of lacking combat encounter deisgn. Afterall, PST had the so called awesome IE, and it had some fo the easiest combat ever. *shrug*

Mr. Sawyer isn't always right. Heck, he's proven that with some of his silly implementations (ie randomness in IWD2 = billions of ice darts, lol). Thankfully, he still helps to make good fun games for the most part.

But, I don't take what he says for gospel. I trust my experience with the games and engines personally more. Sorry.

You've never seen let alone worked on the code for either engine. When Josh says he wants to move towards more player skill, that's an opinion and you can disregard it or agree with it as you see fit. When he says that the engine handles inputs differently, that is not something you get to refute based on your opinion.

And for what its worth, I definitely see what he means (not that it matters since he's stating a fact), since I have definitely had commands I entered not register on every aurora engine game.

 

[Volourn]

"You've never seen let alone worked on the code for either engine."

I don't give a shit about the code. All I need to know is that when click on the mouse/keyboard/button in Aurora games, the games react pronto. No different than the IE, or 99.9% of other games.

You only 'take his word for it' because you agree with him THIS TIME. Otherwise, you'd be claiming he was wrong. Though, I'm not really doing that. I'm saying that Aurora reacts pretty quick in practice (i must lucky i guess) in my experience. That's all that matters to me.

Period.

 

[Texas Red]

J.E. Sawyer - In this case I am correct, because I actually understand how the underlying code that governs combat and states works in the IE and Aurora. Responsiveness, in this context defined as how quickly the game updates states after player input is given, is consistently faster and more reliable in IE than Aurora.

http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php ... t&p=873147

The real question is why the engine was released in this state, and why noone has managed to fix such a huge problem. This raises the ugly possibility that NWN2: OC and MotB had such easy combat because tactical combat would be too frustrating with the poor engine lagging and sometimes missing input.

Because NWN 2 had to be out for holidays.

That IE is superior is no big news. IE looks better, more detailed and has superior combat. And it's a decade old.

 

[J1M]

Doesn't matter, with D&D rules combat is retarded unless it is turn-based. And yes, that includes BG2 and whatever other examples you want to throw out there.

 

[Volourn]

"That IE is superior is no big news. IE looks better, more detailed and has superior combat. And it's a decade old."

Aurora is better. Period.

 

[JarlFrank]

The version of Aurora which was modified by CD Projekt when they developed The Witcher is better. Period.

Fixed.

 

[inwoker]

I don't give a shit if oblivion is an rpg. All I need to know is that when I play a role in this game it seems to be rpg. And in my experience oblivion is definetely an rpg. That's all that matters to me.
Period.

 

[Letum Fol]

The version of Aurora which was modified by CD Projekt when they developed The Witcher is better. Period.

Fixed.

That's mostly cos it was converted into a completely different game type. It became a hack and slash RPG with no party whatsoever. Comparing it with IE or regular Aurora is like apples and oranges.

 

[Texas Red]

The version of Aurora which was modified by CD Projekt when they developed The Witcher is better. Period.

Fixed.

That's mostly cos it was converted into a completely different game type. It became a hack and slash RPG with no party whatsoever. Comparing it with IE or regular Aurora is like apples and oranges.

A "hack n slash" RPG that probably required more thought than NWN 2 and had by far less combat. Roofles.

 

[vrok]

That's mostly cos it was converted into a completely different game type. It became a hack and slash RPG with no party whatsoever. Comparing it with IE or regular Aurora is like apples and oranges.

Yes, because NWN was totally not hack and slash with no party whatsoever. A single uncontrollable henchman doesn't qualify as a party anymore than Sigfried or the lame bitch you escorted in The Witcher does.

 

[Letum Fol]

By hack and slash I meant twitch combat. I'm not saying it required less thought, I'm just saying it's a different type of game.

 

[JarlFrank]

Also, Witcher's modified Aurora engine being better than the original unmodified one isn't because of the game being a different style of RPG. The engine itself is just *better*. It looks better, it plays better, it's just superior in every way to Bioware's original Aurora engine.

 

[Letum Fol]

Not arguing that it isn't all those things. The Witcher is a far better RPG in all regards than NWN (can't believe I actually had to say that). It's just that the gameplay styles are different which make it unfair to compare directly.

 

[Volourn]

"A "hack n slash" RPG that probably required more thought than NWN 2 and had by far less combat. Roofles."

TW is an immature game that is very shallow, and has horrible writing. Way overrated. NWN2 is vastly superior. So is NWN1. So, is TOEE for that matter. L0L

 

[theverybigslayer]

By hack and slash I meant twitch combat. I'm not saying it required less thought, I'm just saying it's a different type of game.

It required more thought. Think about:
Is the sword flaming? Click!
Isn't the sword flaming? Do not click!
While in NWN2 you don't have to think at all.

 

[Letum Fol]

"A "hack n slash" RPG that probably required more thought than NWN 2 and had by far less combat. Roofles."

TW isn immature game that is very shallow, and has horrible writing. Way overrated. NWN2 is vastly superior. So is NWN1. So, is TOEE for that matter. L0L

See, now this is a retardo boy.

 

[theverybigslayer]

"A "hack n slash" RPG that probably required more thought than NWN 2 and had by far less combat. Roofles."
TW isn immature game

What are you talking about?
TW is a mature game! You can f*ck some women!

 

[Darth Roxor]

TW isn immature game that is very shallow, and has horrible writing. Way overrated. NWN2 is vastly superior. So is NWN1

I'm afraid not.

 

[Volourn]

"You can f*ck some women!"

Best part of the game.

 

[JarlFrank]

So NWN1 is more mature than The Witcher, which actually offers some moral choices while NWN1 is just a straightforward cliché fantasy tale? Try harder.

 

[Volourn]

NWN1 OC has lots of choices, and plenty of them aren't black and white. Nice try though.

And, TW's 'matirioty' is a joke.


"Do i fuck thes etits or these ones?"

L0L DEEP

 

[Darth Roxor]

and TW has 'horrible writing' whereas NWN has almost none.

 

[Volourn]

NWN has lots of writing and most of it very good (though had some examples of poor writing too). then again, I never claimed NWN OC was awesome. It was good. That's all.