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Cyberpunk 2077 Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

moon knight

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Intentionally or no, CDPR will show us with Cyberpunk 2077 what happens when liberalism is adopted into a culture to the extreme.

Liberalism is center-right. It's capitalism without checks, it's political power grab from corporations. It's the death of democracy, because the economy is controlled by private individuals. And who controls the economy, controls the country.
 

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More concept art we haven't seen yet.

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Nothing like sipping wine in your ivory tower and watching peasant revolt getting squashed.

:love:
 
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Darkzone

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Intentionally or no, CDPR will show us with Cyberpunk 2077 what happens when liberalism is adopted into a culture to the extreme.

Liberalism is center-right. It's capitalism without checks, it's political power grab from corporations. It's the death of democracy, because the economy is controlled by private individuals. And who controls the economy, controls the country.
Peppone go home. The term Liberalism in the USA has been co-opted by the likes of you to further their marxist agenda, by tearing down the traditional values like honor, manhood and family under the pseud-liberalisation by degeneracy.
Cyberpunk as a genre is about the unchecked moral state of man (as Nitsche stated "God is Dead" in "Die fröhliche Wissenschaft" and "Also sprach Zarathustra") and not about the state of economy. The state of the economy in Cyberpunk genre is the result of lack of balanced moral values and virtues believes, since the value and belief in democracy was also abolished and replaced by rebellion or consumerism or different forms of authoritarian social order.
 

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Liberalism is center-right. It's capitalism without checks, it's political power grab from corporations. It's the death of democracy, because the economy is controlled by private individuals. And who controls the economy, controls the country.
Peppone go home. The term Liberalism in the USA has been co-opted by the likes of you to further their marxist agenda, by tearing down the traditional values like honor, manhood and family under the pseud-liberalisation by degeneracy.
Cyberpunk as a genre is about the unchecked moral state of man (as Nitsche stated "God is Dead" in "Die fröhliche Wissenschaft" and "Also sprach Zarathustra") and not about the state of economy. The state of the economy in Cyberpunk genre is the result of lack of balanced moral values and virtues believes, since the value and belief in democracy was also abolished and replaced by rebellion or consumerism or different forms of authoritarian social order.

No, you are wrong. But it's not your fault. The problem is the fact that english is a degenerate language, the bastard son of french and germanic. You don't have a different word to differentiate social liberalism with economic liberalism, like in the superior italian. You had to borrow it from us, but sadly is underused.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberism
 

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No, you are wrong. But it's not your fault. The problem is the fact that english is a degenerate language, the bastard son of french and germanic. You don't have a different word to differentiate social liberalism with economic liberalism, like in the superior italian. You had to borrow it from us, but sadly is underused.
Social is derived from economics, society forms upon production relations. He's wrong either way and english is not the main problem. Rather his agenda.
 

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Why are people shocked that in world where degeneracy took over you can make dickgirl ? Whole point of cyberpunk genre is to present future where morals are overrided by corporations and their ideologies. Where art we had in 90s which still resembled something that was an art could be replaced by someone shitting on brick and call that art. Where people got so fucked up in head taht they completely detach themselves from human side and go completely cyborg especially in cyberpunk PnP.

In this case just reality of degeneracy cought up with dystopian world. It would be perfectly reasonable for this world to have black lives matter ads with prices for molotov cocktails between kids cartoons.

By looking at such world you can thanks to it see that values you have like morality are superior to idiocy of post modernism.

The more fucked up it is the better it is.

:love::love::love:

It is literally only genre when girl with horse dick makes it better not worse. So we can perfectly be on line with trannies. Trannies will play their dick girls because they are fucked up and i will play chick with horse dick because degeneracy is hilarious to watch. One happy horsedick family for once.
 

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Liberalism is center-right. It's capitalism without checks, it's political power grab from corporations. It's the death of democracy, because the economy is controlled by private individuals. And who controls the economy, controls the country.
Peppone go home. The term Liberalism in the USA has been co-opted by the likes of you to further their marxist agenda, by tearing down the traditional values like honor, manhood and family under the pseud-liberalisation by degeneracy.
No, you are wrong. But it's not your fault. The problem is the fact that english is a degenerate language, the bastard son of french and germanic. You don't have a different word to differentiate social liberalism with economic liberalism, like in the superior italian. You had to borrow it from us, but sadly is underused. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberism
Ohh.. Peppone. I don't know why you say "No, you are wrong" to me, despite confirming me. But nevertheless i will clarify it.
As i said the term Liberalism has been co-opted in the USA and that means it is not used in its original meaning as in classical liberalism. Since Peppone can use wikipedia, therefore i suggest to read: Liberalism, Social Liberalism, Modern Liberalism in the United states and Liberalism in the United States.
Excerpts:
Liberalism:
Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law. Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support free markets, free trade, limited government, individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), capitalism, democracy, secularism, gender equality, racial equality, internationalism, freedom of speech, freedom of the press and freedom of religion. ....
Unlike Europe and Latin America, the word liberalism in North America almost exclusively refers to social liberalism.
Social liberalism:
Social liberalism, also known as left liberalism in Germany, modern liberalism in the United States and new liberalism in the United Kingdom, is a political ideology and a variety of liberalism that endorses a regulated market economy and the expansion of civil and political rights. Under social liberalism, the common good is viewed as harmonious with the freedom of the individual. ... In the United States, social liberalism describes progressive stances on socio-political issues like abortion and same-sex marriage as opposed to social conservatism.
Modern Liberalism in the United States:
The modern liberal philosophy strongly endorses public spending on programs such as education, health care and welfare. Important social issues during the first part of the 21st century include economic inequality (wealth and income), voting rights for minorities, affirmative action, reproductive and other women's rights, support for LGBT rights and immigration reform. Modern liberals oppose conservatives on most but not all issues. Although historically related to social liberalism and progressivism, the current relationship between liberal and progressive viewpoints is debated.
Liberalism in the United States:
Modern liberalism includes issues such as same-sex marriage, reproductive and other women's rights, voting rights for all adult citizens, civil rights, environmental justice and government protection of the right to an adequate standard of living. National social services such as equal educational opportunities, access to health care and transportation infrastructure are intended to meet the responsibility to promote the general welfare of all citizens as established by the Constitution.

But you are excused Peppone in your europe centristic worldview therefore one more excerpt:
Today, liberalism is used differently in different countries. One of the greatest contrasts is between the usage in the United States and usage in Europe. According to Arthur M. Schlesinger Jr. (writing in 1956), "[l]iberalism in the American usage has little in common with the word as used in the politics of any European country, save possibly Britain". In Europe, liberalism usually means what is sometimes called classical liberalism, a commitment to limited government, laissez-faire economics and unalienable individual rights. This classical liberalism sometimes more closely corresponds to the American definition of libertarianism, although some distinguish between classical liberalism and libertarianism. In the United States, the general term liberalism almost always refer to modern liberalism, a more social variant of classical liberalism.
 
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Labels become useless when different groups no longer agree on what they mean. You might as well argue about who has the superior religion, too, it would be just as pointless.
 

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We could try to go over the evolution of the term Liberalism, but this would make the discussion too boring.
 

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Social is derived from economics, society forms upon production relations. He's wrong either way and english is not the main problem. Rather his agenda.
Since it was to long for you to read, i will take the part out for you as the agent of disinformation:
From Wikipedia "Sociology":
Sociology is the study of society, patterns of social relationships, social interaction, and culture that surrounds everyday life. It is a social science that uses various methods of empirical investigation and critical analysis to develop a body of knowledge about social order and social change.
From Wikipedia "social order":
The term social order can be used in two senses. In the first sense, it refers to a particular set or system of linked social structures, institutions, relations, customs, and enforce certain patterns of relating and behaving. Examples are the ancient, the feudal, and the capitalist social order. In the second sense, social order is contrasted to social chaos or disorder and refers to a stable state of society in which the existing social structure is accepted and maintained by its members....
In every society, people belong to groups, such as businesses, families, churches, athletic groups, or neighborhoods. The structure inside of these groups mirrors that of the whole society. There are networks and ties between groups, as well as inside of each of the groups, which create social order.
My agenda is where my allegiance and obedience is and that is to the truth. So it is diametrically opposed to desinformation. But it can be that you have written it in sarcasm referencing the Marxist basis of social order as in relations of production. And by agreeing with you, he revealed himself just as a italian Marxist while being fucked over several times in one sentence. If this is correct then i salute you. But even under sarcasm my socius-ship to the truth is binding.
 
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