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Vapourware Daggerfall Unity isnt Vaporware
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OK. Did you just feel like sharing you fucking inbred turd?
Sigourn
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Need some info about this game to be hyped for this thing.
As far as I understand, Daggerfall uses some kind of "fake" 3D effect when compared to Minecraft, just to set an example. And what this reinvention would consist of is basically bringing Daggerfall to a more Minecraft-like real 3D? I ask because whenever I saw Daggerfall videos, moving the camera caused distortion in buildings and sprites, but on that video, when the camera is travelling alongside the water, no distortion is seen.
Would all of this be correct? If so, consider me hyped.
As far as I understand, Daggerfall uses some kind of "fake" 3D effect when compared to Minecraft, just to set an example. And what this reinvention would consist of is basically bringing Daggerfall to a more Minecraft-like real 3D? I ask because whenever I saw Daggerfall videos, moving the camera caused distortion in buildings and sprites, but on that video, when the camera is travelling alongside the water, no distortion is seen.
Would all of this be correct? If so, consider me hyped.
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Daggerfall is fully 3D, you're thinking of its prequel, Arena. What this does is make the game moddable; we'll be able to add to it, make it bigger, put things in the game that had to be cut but still have vestigial remnants in the files. A lot of the upgrades are cosmetic like the water reflections and new skies, but the real meat of it is going to be that we can mod it in the same way that people mod, say, New Vegas.
Drax
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Between this and OpenMW, when those two are released, the "rpg revival" can go fuck itself with a very balanced dildo.
Luzur
Good Sir
Update again!
Modding Support
Posted on May 29, 2016 by LypyL
Interkarma has asked me to write a quick overview about the upcoming modding feature that will be in version 0.3 that I’ve been working on.
Currently mods need to be built into a Daggerfall Unity project to work, which is an obvious limitation. Interkarma has gone out of his way to support a bunch of different mods, even including them into Daggerfall Unity releases, but this takes up a lot of his time and has always been a temporary solution.
The new modding system takes advantage of Unity’s asset bundles, and allows mod creators to export the assets that make up their mods (textures, models, c# scripts, prefabs and so on) from Unity to a single file which is then loaded at runtime.
Exporting to a mod file is easy and done with a simple window inside the Unity editor:
The mod files are detected and loaded during the Startup Scene:
This means that going forward, modders will no longer have to rely on their mods being part of Daggerfall Unity to work. Modders will be able to create, share, and release updates for their mods all on their own. And using mods will require little more than the player placing the mod file in a directory.
We’ll be providing more details on how it works, including examples and tutorials in the near future. Stay tuned!
Faction Support
Posted on April 21, 2016 by Interkarma
Just a quick post today. I have implemented the faction back-end for Daggerfall Unity, which is a key pillar of quests and NPC dialog. Here’s the data shown as a flat list in the Unity editor. All parent-child relationships are actually in place, list is just drawn flat for debugging.
Starting faction data is parsed from FACTION.TXT and your save games are supported too! Importing a classic save will now also import your standing with all factions.
While there isn’t much happening with factions yet in Daggerfall Unity, it’s impossible to implement many gameplay systems without them. I look forward to doing much more with this data in a future build.
Building Names
Posted on April 11, 2016 by Interkarma
One of Daggerfall’s long-running puzzles is how to generate the correct building name for any given building in a location. Daggerfall’s binary data exposes this information only as a seed value with no obvious correlation to the final name. From today, I’m happy to say this has been solved and I will be able to generate proper building names in the future. This article is a summary of the technical journey, minus all the dead ends and frustration.
The seed value used to generate building names has been known about for some time. This can be found in the BuildingData structure (link to UESP). The first step along the way was to generate some known values by changing a known seed value in MAPS.BSA. I started at the location Ashfield Hall in the Daggerfall province, which has a single tavern and some residences. Taverns are a great place to start as they have a very obvious PartA + PartB structure. For example The Bat And Skull. In Ashfield Hall, our single tavern is the The Howling Stag with a name seed value of 27748.
The first thing I did was change the name seed value for The Howling Stag in MAPS.BSA then start up Daggerfall to see how the name changes. Here’s a small sample of names generated from seeds 0-3. Keep this list in mind as we’ll return to it later.
0 = The Dancing Chasm
1 = The Knave and Scorpian
2 = The Pig and Ogre
3 = The Thirsty Fairy
Now I have somewhere to begin. I know the building is a tavern and have a sample group of seeds that result in specific names. The next trick is to work out how Daggerfall derives these names from the seed value.
I open up FALL.EXE in a hex viewer and search through for strings like “The Dancing” and “Chasm”. These strings are easy enough to locate, but these are just resources packed into the executable. What I need is the actual PartA and PartB tables Daggerfall is selecting from at runtime.
To get this information, I first have to use the DOSBox debugger to dump out memory from Daggerfall while it’s running. I can then search not just for strings, but for memory offsets pointing to those strings. I write a small bit of code to do the searches for me, and it doesn’t take long to find the correct offset tables for Part A and Part B of tavern names. Just think of this as a pair of arrays. In this case, both arrays are 36 elements long. Here they are as captured from the spreadsheet I dumped them out to.
So how do we go from a seed of 0 to The Dancing Chasm? This is where most of the difficulty started. It was obvious Daggerfall used a random number generator to pick both parts, but the trick was to find the correct random number generator used by Daggerfall’s C compiler circa 1994-1996. Fortunately, I also needed this for correct texture table generation (still an open problem at time of writing) and had previously researched the correct random generator, known as a linear congruential generator, specific to Daggerfall. Here it is for completeness.
static ulong next;
public static void srand(int seed)
{
next = (uint)seed;
}
public static uint rand()
{
next = next * 1103515245 + 12345;
return ((uint)((next >> 16) & 0x7FFF));
}
There are two methods here, one to set the seed (srand) and another to generate the next random number from that seed (rand). This is pretty much the standard ANSI LCG but specific to Daggerfall’s needs. Implementing this manually ensures that critical random number generation will always work just like Daggerfall, regardless of platform.
Now that I have the right random number generator, let’s feed it our test seeds from earlier and see what comes out. Starting withseed=0 and generating two numbers (indices into Part A and Part B name tables above), I get the following results.
PartA = 0
PartB = 12
First obvious thing is the spreadsheet starts from 1, not from 0. Just need to +1 each number to match the tables above (although zero-based arrays will be used in actual code). Matching these numbers to the above name table we get: Chasm The Dancing. OK, so Daggerfall obviously generates PartB first then PartA. Let’s try that again with the +1 and order swapped.
Seed = 0
PartA = 13 (The Dancing)
PartB = 1 (Chasm)
Result: The Dancing Chasm
Using our handy table we can match row 13 with row 1 and we get The Dancing Chasm. Good! Let’s run some more tests and prove the concept.
Seed = 1
PartA = 35 (The Knave and)
PartB = 27 (Scorpion)
Result: The Knave and Scorpion
Seed = 2
PartA = 30 (The Pig and)
PartB = 9 (Ogre)
Result: The Pig and Ogre
Seed = 3
PartA = 16 (The Thirsty)
PartB = 36 (Fairy)
Result: The Thirsty Fairy
So far, so good! Building names are output just like Daggerfall given the same inputs. Let’s try the original, unmodified seed value of 27748 which should give us The Howling Stag.
Seed = 27748
PartA = 21 (The Howling)
PartB = 33 (Stag)
Result: The Howling Stag
And there we have it! Building name generation from initial seed value resulting in a string exactly matching Daggerfall.
From here, I still need to extract hard-coded name tables for other building types like armorers and weapon-smiths. This isn’t hard though, I just need to find the tables using the same methods as taverns. I also need to assign full building data from MAPS.BSA to the correct models in Unity scene and wire up API methods to query this data when inspecting or entering a building. One challenge at a time though.
For regular small updates on Daggerfall Unity, I can be found on Twitter @gav_clayton.
Daggerfall Unity 0.2.9 (Updated)
Posted on April 6, 2016 by Interkarma
I’ve released a small patch to version 0.2.9. Latest download is on the standalone download page.
Patch notes for recent versions below:
0.2.7
0.2.8
- Reverted minor change to terrain tilemap shader. This might fix black ground issue on older DX9 systems.
- Implemented floating origin for Y axis to correct flickering shadows at high elevations. This still requires full testing.
- Items imported from classic saves will have dye synced to material type at import time.
- Settings INI now saves floats with invariant culture.
- Update to Uncanny_Valley’s grass mod.
- Added restart button to options UI.
- Nystul fixed white interior textures when reflections mod enabled. Also fixes stalled fireplace animation.
- Arrows should now always display correct inventory icon.
- Can no longer equip arrows to hands.
- Disabled bows until archery is implemented.
- Can now open inventory from character window.
- Weapon manager now resets sheathe state and equipped hand on new game / load.
0.2.9
- Fixed floating origin issue that would start player high in the air when exiting a building at higher altitudes.
- Nystul fix for resetting dungeon map on new game.
For regular small updates on Daggerfall Unity, I can be found on Twitter @gav_clayton.
- Disabled floating origin Y implementation for now. This means lighting and shadow issues at high elevations will return, particularly when using distant enhanced mod (which has a much higher vertical scale than default terrain).
- Camera now clears background when inside a dungeon allowing you better see within the void.
- Lypyl: Fix for white film on travel map. New console commands to display FPS and trigger action objects.
- Nystul: Automap camera settings now preserved when opening automap.
Time to change the title of this thread. DF Unity at least isn't vaporware.
Luzur
Good Sir
Lucius have no updates since april 12th.
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Luzur
Good Sir
Quick Update – 1 August
Posted on August 1, 2016 by Interkarma
Short Delay
The 0.3 release has been delayed slightly due to changing from Unity 5.3 to Unity 5.4 and less than typical free time on my end. Things are back on track for now and I estimate first 0.3 test build should be ready in approximately 7-10 days. I will update you in the case of any further delays.
More Information On Test Builds
I’ve had a few queries via email and Twitter about how test builds will work from 0.3. I’ll try to clarify this now. If you need more details please don’t hesitate to ask.
The short answer is that not much is really changing from your side. If you’ve tested with 0.2 or earlier the process for you is basically the same. The key difference is how builds are generated and how frequently I’m able to put a new build into your hands.
In 0.2 and earlier, I had to manually create a build for each platform, package to a zip file, upload to my host, then configure new download in WordPress and update related pages. This isn’t difficult, but it can be time consuming when rapidly turning over bugs. In many cases a bug could be fixed much faster than I could work through the manual build process. So I tended not to generate new builds until a larger block of work was completed. This ultimately means you had to wait weeks or a even a few months to see fixes.
Automatic Cloud Builds
Enter Unity Cloud Build. This service allows me to setup an automated build process for Daggerfall Unity’s target platforms. Cloud build works by periodically checking the git repository for changes and automatically spits out a complete new build for each platform. The download is also hosted by the cloud build servers. All I have to do is share the build and give you a download link. Here’s how it looks from the back-end:
One a build is ready, I can either download a zip to test for myself, or share out a link to the public. The public link is what I’ll give to you, which takes you to a page like below. This is your front-end to the cloud build process.
To make this process even easier for you, I will setup a permalink page from dfworkshop.net that always points to the latest shared builds. I plan to update this page frequently. If the code on git changes, you’ll have a new test build not long afterwards. More information for this will be available with 0.3.
Rolling Builds
This is where things get interesting. Instead of waiting months for next test cycle, testers will now have a direct pipeline to code updates as they are generated. If you’ve ever played an Early Access game on Steam that gives you an “experimental/unstable” option for rapid updates, my rolling test builds are fundamentally the same concept. You will now get to play with new code as it’s being developed.
The main downside to this style of rolling build is that you will be playing with live code. Usually things will work as expected, but sometimes things that were working will break. For example, quicksave was briefly broken while I was overhauling the save interface a few weeks back.
The key is for testers to understand what is a bug and what might just be broken because it’s in the middle of changes.
Watching Git
To this end, I highly recommend testers keep an eye on the commits page on git. These commits tell a story of what is being worked on and what has been recently fixed. If you see that I’m working on a big system (like saves or looting), then you can bet something will be broken in that system until work is complete. I try to keep my commits exclusive to a specific update and provide good descriptions. I’ll continue to work on improving the quality of my checkins as time goes on.
Providing Feedback
As before, the Daggerfall Workshop Forums are the correct place to log bugs or ask questions about a feature. Specifically theIssues & Support forum. If you aren’t sure if a feature has been implemented yet (e.g. quests), please ask before logging the absence of this feature as a bug. Daggerfall Unity is a live work in progress and some features are much further down the pipeline than others.
At every major milestone, I will post some information on things that need the most attention from testers. For example, the loot and inventory system was the major component of 0.2.
Stable Builds
If you don’t feel up to watching git, downloading test builds, testing features, and providing feedback – that’s OK! I will occasionally release a “stable build” at major milestones where everything is more or less running as expected. Not everyone has the time or interest to be a full-on tester, and that’s all good. Just grab the stable builds when they’re available and let people know about Daggerfall Unity.
The first 0.3 stable build will be available a couple of weeks after the first test build. This gives me a chance to nail any show-stopping bugs before putting the stable build into your hands. I’ll post an update on this when available.
Conclusion
I hope that clarifies the new build process more thoroughly. In summary:
Thank you for reading. I look forward to you joining me for the next big step in Daggerfall Unity’s development process.
- You’ll get new builds almost as quickly as code changes. The latest build might be awesome or it might not even run.
- I will provide a permalink page on dfworkshop.net that always points to latest several builds.
- Keep an eye on git commits to see what’s being worked on.
- Post feedback, bug reports, and questions to the Issues & Support forum.
For more frequent updates on Daggerfall Unity, follow me on Twitter @gav_clayton.
New Options For Downloading Builds
Posted on July 27, 2016 by Interkarma
The 0.3 release should be wrapped up in the next week or so, provided nothing comes up in testing to cause delays. Along with 0.3 there will be more options for downloading builds to better cater to various groups in the community. Read on to see what’s coming up.
If you just want to take a quick look at Daggerfall Unity, and avoid the hassles of a test setup, then 0.3 might encourage you to try it out.
- New standalone builds will be made available for each platform (Windows/Mac/Linux).
- Standalone builds are self contained and do not require you to provide Daggerfall game files.
- Standalone builds will be updated less frequently but will generally be more stable.
If you’re an existing tester, or would like to help catch bugs, then I have some good news.
- Test builds are now automated using Unity Cloud build and will be updated approximately weekly, or daily during heavy development.
- However, test builds are based on live code and will not be as stable as standalone builds.
- Test builds are cut-down for smallest download and will require you to provide your own Daggerfall game files (just like previous test builds).
The biggest feature in 0.3 is Lypyl’s mod system, which he introduced a few posts back. The mod system allows you create asset bundles containing code, textures, sound, etc. that can change how Daggerfall Unity works.
- Modders will need a copy of Unity3D 5.3 Personal/Plus/Pro and a copy of game files.
- Modders are encouraged to clone from git (tutorial coming soon), but just downloading a zip of current project should be adequate.
- New forum areas will be opened to help modders find each other and collaborate on projects.
If you would like to contribute to Daggerfall Unity, and have a good understanding of both Daggerfall’s inner workings and Unity3D, it will become easier to contribute from 0.3.
- Full Daggerfall Unity project is now on git. Contributors should create their own fork of project.
- Contributors will need a copy of Unity3D 5.3 Personal/Plus/Pro and a copy of game files.
- Contributors will also get new forum areas for discussion.
- A Trello page is in the works to help contributors find tasks they may be able to help with.
That all for now. Hopefully 0.3 will represent a new stage in the development of Daggerfall Unity, with even more options for gamers, testers, modders, and contributors.
For more frequent updates on Daggerfall Unity, follow me on Twitter @gav_clayton.
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Daggerfall is so huge, it doesn't matter how appealing this looks, I won't have 200 hours to give a proper go, and that makes me a little sad.
Luzur
Good Sir
Live Builds Now Available
Posted on August 7, 2016 by Interkarma
Get Up To Date
Live builds based on latest code are now available to testers, as described in this blog post.
Check the forum topic State of 0.3 for information on 0.3 at time of writing.
Get The Latest Test Build
You can download latest builds from the all new Live Builds page.
Provide Feedback
Use the Bug Reports forum to log bugs. Please read the Bug Report Guidelines topic first.
Stable Builds
The latest stable build is still version 0.2.9 from 09-Apr-16. This version will be updated to 0.3.x in a few weeks once the majority of bugs have been found and eliminated.
At this rate we will get a full game by next year, Its a good thing Lucius rebranded to the XL engine Daggerfall Unity just BTFO DaggerXL.Live Builds Now Available
Posted on August 7, 2016 by Interkarma
Get Up To Date
Live builds based on latest code are now available to testers, as described in this blog post.
Check the forum topic State of 0.3 for information on 0.3 at time of writing.
Get The Latest Test Build
You can download latest builds from the all new Live Builds page.
Provide Feedback
Use the Bug Reports forum to log bugs. Please read the Bug Report Guidelines topic first.
Stable Builds
The latest stable build is still version 0.2.9 from 09-Apr-16. This version will be updated to 0.3.x in a few weeks once the majority of bugs have been found and eliminated.
Also it's not vaporware.
Luzur
Good Sir
Tutorial – Cloning from GitHub
Posted on August 24, 2016 by Interkarma
If you’re interested in developing mods or contributing to Daggerfall Unity, you’ll first need to clone the project from GitHub. This light tutorial goes through the basic process of cloning Daggerfall Unity using GitHub for Desktop and opening with a fresh Unity install. There are many other ways to clone from git, but this is probably the simplest if you’re new to Unity or open source repositories.
After cloning the project, I go for a quick run through Privateer’s Hold to check everything is working normally.
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Standalone Builds Update
Posted on August 14, 2016 by Interkarma
After launching Live Builds a week ago, I’ve been very happy with the ability to push out small incremental changes. Besides the streamlined build process and less of a wait time, it also means I’m not overwhelmed with bugs every release. I can now tackle large problems fast and keep track of smaller problems for when I have the time.
This ability to turnaround builds so quickly has lead me to rethink the standalone builds (for now) and continue with the leaner, more agile cloud build process. I will revisit the standalone builds later in Daggerfall Unity’s life cycle. Here’s a summary of how to get Daggerfall Unity moving forwards:
If you were waiting for the convenience of a standalone build, I apologise for changing my plans. Daggerfall Unity is very much a living thing, both in terms of development and community, and can take up a large amount of my personal time. Anything that saves me time I can put back into gameplay, or spend with my family, is extremely valuable to me.
- GitHub always has the most recent code for developers.
- The Live Builds page always has the most recent builds, and links for getting Daggerfall.
- I will start to tag specific live builds as “Stable”. This means that everything implemented so far is generally working as expected.
- I will restore the Daggerfall Tools for Unity pages as soon as possible, including updated tutorials.
The good news is that pointing Daggerfall Unity to your game files has never been easier. The setup helper introduced with version 0.2 makes it very easy to get up and running, and you only need to download the game files once.
The first 0.3 stable build will be tagged soon. Lootable monsters just went into the latest live build and is with testers now. I only have the Rest and Keybind UIs to go and I’ve hit all the feature milestones planned for this release.
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Privateer’s Hold In VR
Posted on August 10, 2016 by Interkarma
From Twitter user @Highsight, an experiment with Daggerfall Unity and immersive VR. Amazing!
http://www.dfworkshop.net/ <------------actual video
Highsight @Highsight
Immersive Movement + Daggerfall Unity = #VR Daggerfall!? Some early tests. #gaming #HTCVive #gamedev @gav_clayton
Daggerfall in VR
Luzur
Good Sir
Luzur
Good Sir
They are also planning to add in this:
+ denser forests which you cna get lost in, wilderness enemy lairs (prob like a open cave with werewolves), wilderness quests (find and pick herbs, kill monster/animal that attacks farms etc), ruins and some guy spoke of fixing up so you can see ships out as sea if you stand on the shore.
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Wayward Son
Fails to keep valuable team members alive
:russiastronk::cheersmate::mrpresident:
This makes me happy. I know you couldn't tell.
Luzur
Good Sir
Wayward Son
Fails to keep valuable team members alive
Ahem...
NERDGASM
NERDGASM
Luzur
Good Sir
One guy have started to do 3D modeling:
VS
VS
Someone notify Loverslab.
Wayward Son
Fails to keep valuable team members alive
I am literally drooling...
I prefere sprites
Elwro
Arcane
FAP
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