Vapourware Daggerfall Unity isnt Vaporware

[Twinkle]

I played a bit with his another project, Dark Forces XL, and it was pretty impressive from graphical standpoint. Sprite weapons and enemies aside graphics were roughly on par with Jedi Outcast.

 

[SCO]

It needs to be opensource if you want more than one guy working on it.

And you do.

 

[1eyedking]

Unless you want total credit for your work.

 

[SCO]

Yeah well, all is fine until someone is hit by a car.

Or do it like the epsxe team that LOST THE SOURCE CODE.

But i forget this uses directx microsoft trap doesn't it? Not much point then except for security.

Edit: It doesn't appear to.

 

[1eyedking]

Some people really don't like other people touching their work. You've got to respect them, even if they're mostly assholes.

 

[Donkey Balls]

Very impressive.

Looks like it's one of the engine recreations that actually gets finished.

 

[don_tomaso]

Check the forums, there are several graphic updates going on, all trying to be faithful to the originals.

He said he is doing this to relax, I think that is why he doesn´t want/feel the need to team up.

 

[SCO]

He doesn't need to team up if he doesn't want to. It's just a security measure against fate.

Projects done by one person without access to the source code are fragile.

You only have to look at our friend Drog to see a example.

 

[denizsi]

Either he or someone here posted about this here when the project has just started. I gave it the usual modder's syndrome treatment, that it was bullshit and would soon get abandoned "due to real life issues". The guy took it a little hard, posted a couple times and disappeared. I've been following his blog since then. He's making good progress but I detect a shitstorm approaching as he'll delve into the actual game mechanics, stats and the mind fucker of a reputation system.

In the end, you all owe me a thanks as well for hardening him early and injecting TRUE motivation in the guy. ie. i'm glad i was wrong

 

[Luzur]

Either he or someone here posted about this here when the project has just started. I gave it the usual modder's syndrome treatment, that it was bullshit and would soon get abandoned "due to real life issues". The guy took it a little hard, posted a couple times and disappeared. I've been following his blog since then. He's making good progress but I detect a shitstorm approaching as he'll delve into the actual game mechanics, stats and the mind fucker of a reputation system.

In the end, you all owe me a thanks as well for hardening him early and injecting TRUE motivation in the guy. ie. i'm glad i was wrong

wasnt that someone else from the ESF? dont think Lucius posts here.

 

[Jeff Graw]

Awesome. A modern port of Daggerfall with a lot of the annoyances removed would be great. I can already tell that the increased resolution/view distance outdoors makes the game world feel less like an endless flat surface than it did before.

 

[Sceptic]

Pretty sure he's already decoded most of the internal game mechanics.

When this was first announced I also dismissed it as "yet another Dashus" but the guy's actually amazing. He's been at it less than a year and the amount of work he got done by himself rivals what other teams spend years doing. I can see why he doesn't want to team up: at the rate he's going it's just much more efficient if he works on it by himself. I don't want to get my hopes too high because it is a mod effort after all, and 99.9% of these fail hard due to lack of interest on the modder's part, but if there's one solo fan project that has a chance of seeing completion then this is it. Well, that and DarkXL, Lucius's other baby.

On a related note I am not impressed by some of the graphic whoring going on ITT.

 

[Tails]

If this will be completed and fix many issues with Daggerfall... bye bye real life, atleast for a month.

 

[Lonely Vazdru]

If this will be completed and fix many issues with Daggerfall... bye bye real life, atleast for a month.

A month... You have forgotten how big this game is. I'll be gone longer, that's for sure.

 

[denizsi]

wasnt that someone else from the ESF? dont think Lucius posts here.

He has, eventually. The original thread:
http://rpgcodex.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=34086

I said it in that thread, I'll say again: upscaled blurry graphics make me puke and I especially dislike the efforts at remaking textures and models in 3D and all that stuff. Half the beauty of Daggerfall is the abstraction layer achieved through simplified graphics. Adding 3D animated character models and what.. :puke:

I love graphics of Daggerfall just the way they are: extreme pixelation 320x200. Anything more is unnecessary.

I, however, fully support the notion of creating new extreme low-res textures and animated sprites.

 

[Tails]

I'm not quiet sure, but as I read you will be able to choose in settings if you want to any scalers or not. Even if this is negative, you could put some effort and ask developer to add such option.

A month... You have forgotten how big this game is. I'll be gone longer, that's for sure.

I said at least but yeah, I admit that I forgot a bit how large Daggerfall is and... lovely.

 

[denizsi]

I did ask for it in the old thread.

 

[Fez]

I always preferred pixellated graphics to blurred and upscaled whenever possible. First thing I make sure to turn off in an emulator.

I hope they don't replace decent professional 2D art with bad quality 3D models.

 

[luciusDXL]

Well, I have actually posted here in the past. I didn't start the original thread but I did post some responses. I admit I'm not a regular poster here though.

As for this:

I said it in that thread, I'll say again: upscaled blurry graphics make me puke and I especially dislike the efforts at remaking textures and models in 3D and all that stuff. Half the beauty of Daggerfall is the abstraction layer achieved through simplified graphics. Adding 3D animated character models and what.. :puke:

I love graphics of Daggerfall just the way they are: extreme pixelation 320x200. Anything more is unnecessary.

While I personally disagree, denizsi is not the only one to feel this way. To that end, DaggerXL has supported an "emulate 320x200" mode for a while now. So the game runs at full resolution (which helps avoid issues like lower limits on resolution that most GPUs have and upsampling issues with monitors not running at native resolution) but renders to a 320x200 backbuffer and upscales that. It uses point sampling by default to maintain the pixelated look (the whole point), so the graphics remain crisp and low resolution.

If you want to run at high resolution but not have blurry textures, then you can turn down the texture filtering. DaggerXL supports point sampling, which will give the textures a pixelated (rather then blurry) look if you want.

Finally special effects, like bloom, can be turned off. In addition the view distance can be reduced to Daggerfall levels if you want a more authentic experience. So the graphics can be tailored to your tastes, to some degree.


I should also be clear that by default DaggerXL only uses the original data. You only get 3D models, high resolution textures and so on through mods - which are completely optional. In addition, extended features are also completely optional.

 

[denizsi]

While I personally disagree, denizsi is not the only one to feel this way. To that end, DaggerXL has supported an "emulate 320x200" mode for a while now. So the game runs at full resolution (which helps avoid issues like lower limits on resolution that most GPUs have and upsampling issues with monitors not running at native resolution) but renders to a 320x200 backbuffer and upscales that. It uses point sampling by default to maintain the pixelated look (the whole point), so the graphics remain crisp and low resolution.

If you want to run at high resolution but not have blurry textures, then you can turn down the texture filtering. DaggerXL supports point sampling, which will give the textures a pixelated (rather then blurry) look if you want.

Finally special effects, like bloom, can be turned off. In addition the view distance can be reduced to Daggerfall levels if you want a more authentic experience. So the graphics can be tailored to your tastes, to some degree.

My favourite indie developer of the year.

 

[Mortmal]

Good work, makes me properly nostalgic and depressed looking at it , hopefully you can add content too.

 

[Tails]

Thanks for explanation luciusDXL, good luck on your project(s).

 

[Overweight Manatee]

Very interesting. I had played Daggerfall, but only messing around up to the point where I became break-the-game powerful. I'll definitely check this out once its finished.

 

[Fez]

Cheers, luciusDXL. Glad to hear it is so flexible.

 

[roll-a-die]

Well, I have actually posted here in the past. I didn't start the original thread but I did post some responses. I admit I'm not a regular poster here though.

As for this:

I said it in that thread, I'll say again: upscaled blurry graphics make me puke and I especially dislike the efforts at remaking textures and models in 3D and all that stuff. Half the beauty of Daggerfall is the abstraction layer achieved through simplified graphics. Adding 3D animated character models and what.. :puke:

I love graphics of Daggerfall just the way they are: extreme pixelation 320x200. Anything more is unnecessary.

While I personally disagree, denizsi is not the only one to feel this way. To that end, DaggerXL has supported an "emulate 320x200" mode for a while now. So the game runs at full resolution (which helps avoid issues like lower limits on resolution that most GPUs have and upsampling issues with monitors not running at native resolution) but renders to a 320x200 backbuffer and upscales that. It uses point sampling by default to maintain the pixelated look (the whole point), so the graphics remain crisp and low resolution.

If you want to run at high resolution but not have blurry textures, then you can turn down the texture filtering. DaggerXL supports point sampling, which will give the textures a pixelated (rather then blurry) look if you want.

Finally special effects, like bloom, can be turned off. In addition the view distance can be reduced to Daggerfall levels if you want a more authentic experience. So the graphics can be tailored to your tastes, to some degree.


I should also be clear that by default DaggerXL only uses the original data. You only get 3D models, high resolution textures and so on through mods - which are completely optional. In addition, extended features are also completely optional.

Thank you very much sir.