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What an autistic little shit. :lol: Baby throwing a hissy fit when he loses an argument over a video game that he's never played.
Luckily you're nothing but a dumbass troll with nothing of value to say. Can't believe I wasted my time on a person who pretended that he's played Bloodborne but was only perpetuating idiotic /v/ memes created by butthurt poorfags.

Actually, you're the one who obviously hasn't played Bloodborne or Dark Souls II. I can't believe that I wasted my time on your autistic tantrums. What's wrong kid, your mom wouldn't buy you a PS4?
 

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90-100 less damage is literally nothing when DLC monsters will whack 50%~ of your HP away with a single hit even if you wear heavy armor and have lots of HP invested. In normal circuimstances you can make up the lack of armor just by investing a few levels more into health rather than the strength and endurance needed to wear said armor, unless you are specifically going for poise.

Actually, for PVE, you're better off just wearing the ring of steel protection which gives you a % based reduction from non-player enemies. But, assuming its your first play through, armor is still a big deal and can easily buy you 2-3 more hits on a boss. DLC enemies are a totally different ball park, I agree, and of course all enemies in single-player scale in difficulty and power with summons or NG cycles. In the latter cases, the ring of steel protection becomes way more important and you're better off stacking armor for elemental resist -- which becomes almost mandatory against some bosses in later NG cycles. 1000 fire resist and the dragons all become a joke, and many other magic based bosses become a cakewalk even if they would otherwise one-shot you when you have sufficient elemental protection.

As for armor v health; the neat thing is you can have both.

Also, I don't think you need endurance to wear armor. Are you sure you're not talking about Vitality? Or maybe you're confusing DS 1 and DS 2 mechanics. Endurance raises your phys defense, but it's not a pre-req for armor nor does it increase your equip load.

Regarding multi-player, you're only moving the goalpost now so whatever. You don't care about single-player, I couldn't give a shit about multi-player. I chose to try every single playstyle and after trying pretty much every combination I can say that Bloodborne did gameplay better. You can twist and turn as much as you want but that's the truth of it.

Dude, it's your choice to play single player however you want. If you find shield-circling is boring, stop doing it? If you think the game itself is boring, then don't play it. But there's a difference in not liking something and being wrong about how the game's mechanics work.

Goal posts? What goal posts, you talked about armor being useless and you're wrong. It has plenty of use, it's just not a ticket to becoming invulnerable. For that you gotta use iron flesh or numbness.

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Fucking LOL at UndetectedButthurt not playing BB. Dude, now you're just coming off like a child. Hissy fit indeed.
 
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I see a bunch of guys trying to defend the $400ish they spent to be able to play BB.
 

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OLOLOL LE MUHZAKI FEEL SO ARTISM FEDORA SIMULATOR GAY AIDS BLOOD INFECTION VAN HELSING FAGGOT GAEM HUEHUEHEUEHUEHEUHEUEEHU

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Actually, you're the one who obviously hasn't played Bloodborne or Dark Souls II. I can't believe that I wasted my time on your autistic tantrums. What's wrong kid, your mom wouldn't buy you a PS4?
what's the matter, kid, can't think of anything original to say so you're just parroting me? That's a clear sign of defeat tbh fam. You have maybe played DaS2 and nothing else in the series. Lel.
 
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what's the matter, kid, can't think of anything original to say so you're just parroting me? That's a clear sign of defeat tbh fam. You have maybe played DaS2 and nothing else in the series. Lel.

Your response is a clear sign of being faggot. You have maybe watched your mom take too many BBCs yet she still has no money to buy you a PS4. Looks like you're going to have to step it up and join her.
 

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I haven't seen a person so intent on digging his own grave in a while. The jig is up. You failed all your fact checks and are now resorting to impotent ad hominem attacks because you got nothing else. You're only making it worse for yourself.
 

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I haven't seen a person so intent on digging his own grave in a while. The jig is up. You failed all your fact checks and are now resorting to impotent ad hominem attacks because you got nothing else. You're only making it worse for yourself.
yes, I'm sure he feels utterly humiliated and literally started digging his own grave to escape from this cruel world
:nocountryforshitposters:
 

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Have they said whether this will use Soul Level or Soul Memory for multiplayer?
 
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I haven't seen a person so intent on digging his own grave in a while. The jig is up. You failed all your fact checks and are now resorting to impotent ad hominem attacks because you got nothing else. You're only making it worse for yourself.

I haven't seen a person so intent on being such a faggot.

Have they said whether this will use Soul Level or Soul Memory for multiplayer?

SL
 

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So that means you'll come and gank me at Wall of Lothric!
 

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I see that UndetectedButthurt is still Butthurt that he can't shield/ranged spam his way through Bloodborne :lol:
 

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Actually, for PVE, you're better off just wearing the ring of steel protection which gives you a % based reduction from non-player enemies. But, assuming its your first play through, armor is still a big deal and can easily buy you 2-3 more hits on a boss. DLC enemies are a totally different ball park, I agree, and of course all enemies in single-player scale in difficulty and power with summons or NG cycles. In the latter cases, the ring of steel protection becomes way more important and you're better off stacking armor for elemental resist -- which becomes almost mandatory against some bosses in later NG cycles. 1000 fire resist and the dragons all become a joke, and many other magic based bosses become a cakewalk even if they would otherwise one-shot you when you have sufficient elemental protection.

Yeah.. The main issue with armor in DaS2 is that it gives a flat damage reduction for physical defense, which means that its use is limited unless you stack lots of it, and even then it's limited. Elemental resists are different because they are a % based reduction which makes stacking them completely nutsy and trivializes a lot of shit fights, like the Ancient Dragon. I don't remember if DaS1 had a flat or % based reduction for physical defense but the scaling was far better and the enemies hits for less damage so the difference of no armor vs armor vs upgraded armor was very noticeable. A fully upgraded set of Black Iron was crazy.

As for armor v health; the neat thing is you can have both.

Also, I don't think you need endurance to wear armor. Are you sure you're not talking about Vitality? Or maybe you're confusing DS 1 and DS 2 mechanics. Endurance raises your phys defense, but it's not a pre-req for armor nor does it increase your equip load.

Well, technically you can have everything eventually, it just depends on how much effort you want to put into grinding. To be able to use very heavy armor and avoid fattest rolls and use big boy weapons or spells requires a lot of investments across the board, even if you use rings that increase equipment load. I'm not confusing DaS1 & 2 stats, I'm just saying that you need to invest in Equipment load at least a bit, depends on what you wanna wear. In DaS1 you can get away with less investments into Vitality than you can in DaS2 tho, if you are playing with the DLC. And I think raw HP is far more valuable than physical defense when it comes to the DLC areas in DaS2. I tend to wear heaviest armor because I like their looks (LGK armor is swag as fuck), but I found their physical defensive capabilities to be about as useful as they were in DeS.

Dude, it's your choice to play single player however you want. If you find shield-circling is boring, stop doing it? If you think the game itself is boring, then don't play it. But there's a difference in not liking something and being wrong about how the game's mechanics work

I'm just arguing that Bloodborne has one actual playstyle removed and that's the shield turtling style, which is arguably one of the least liked style among the people who discuss Souls games (I'm sure people who are less enthusiastic and more recreational prefer to have the safety net of shields). I don't think Souls are boring, I just think Bloodborne is more exciting. Remove the thought of fast placed gameplay for one second, based on the videos I've seen of Souls 3 it seems like the enemies are less aggressive and less equipped with tools to deal with the player. Even simple shoving, jabbing and headbutting that were added into the enemies' arsenal in Bloodborne were great additions because they served as quick interrupts against the player. These were very good and could surprise the player if he was caught off guard. The normal people you first encounter in BB were far more diverse and lethal than all the Dreglings.
And going back to shields, I wouldn't be surprised if the new BB expansion will add that as a legit playstyle with a new trick weapon. I mean they are adding pew pew magic missiles for the people who wanted a more "legit" Arcane spellcaster style, so why not shields as well? Who knows, we might get some cool Shield + Spear trick weapon.

Goal posts? What goal posts, you talked about armor being useless and you're wrong. It has plenty of use, it's just not a ticket to becoming invulnerable. For that you gotta use iron flesh or numbness.

When I said armor is useless I meant that the physical defenses are useless. I never said that the elemental or status effects were. Physical defenses have limited usefulness in DaS2 during the base campaign with their usefulness being pretty much completely phased out in the DLC because of the ridonkulous damage everything does there. I think we both agree on this.
 

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Yeah.. The main issue with armor in DaS2 is that it gives a flat damage reduction for physical defense, which means that its use is limited unless you stack lots of it, and even then it's limited. Elemental resists are different because they are a % based reduction which makes stacking them completely nutsy and trivializes a lot of shit fights, like the Ancient Dragon. I don't remember if DaS1 had a flat or % based reduction for physical defense but the scaling was far better and the enemies hits for less damage so the difference of no armor vs armor vs upgraded armor was very noticeable. A fully upgraded set of Black Iron was crazy.

I dunno man, in the base campaign I still see a big difference between a fully upgraded havel's set and no armor at all. Earlier enemies especially. Obviously a flat based reduction makes it so that as enemies do more damage it's less useful, but then a % based physical reduction was implemented with the steel ring. And if they had done it like elemental resistance, then it would be easy to exploit. As for PVP, armor still remains pretty darn useful.

Even with just basic armor stacking, it's not hard to get 1400 which is basically 100+ less damage per hit. This means that for many enemies that were weak, they're now trivial and that for bosses that were doing a quarter of your HP per hit they went from needing 4 hits to kill you to 6 hits to kill you. I imagine most people who are focusing on single player have around 2k-2.5k HP near the end. That reduction is a noticeable deal. Obviously you can stack less, but then that's the choice the player makes. Personally, I ran around in the bathrobe and surfer shorts (hollowed soldier leggings and retainer robe).

Well, technically you can have everything eventually, it just depends on how much effort you want to put into grinding. To be able to use very heavy armor and avoid fattest rolls and use big boy weapons or spells requires a lot of investments across the board, even if you use rings that increase equipment load. I'm not confusing DaS1 & 2 stats, I'm just saying that you need to invest in Equipment load at least a bit, depends on what you wanna wear. In DaS1 you can get away with less investments into Vitality than you can in DaS2 tho, if you are playing with the DLC. And I think raw HP is far more valuable than physical defense when it comes to the DLC areas in DaS2. I tend to wear heaviest armor because I like their looks (LGK armor is swag as fuck), but I found their physical defensive capabilities to be about as useful as they were in DeS.

You mentioned needing endurance for armor, that was my correction. Endurance only gives stamina and some very minor phys defense and poise in DS 2. 'Vitality' is the stat for equipment load.

Yes, DLC enemies do indeed hit harder. They also have greater resistance, poise, and some can't be backstabbed. That's just the nature of the system tho -- just cuz DLC enemies hit harder doesn't mean the armor works less, it still works fine in the base game and in PVP. The DLC enemies are made to be foils for popular player strategies, tho again (at the risk of sounding like a broken record), this is where the ring of steel protection comes in.

I also agree that having more HP is more important than having extra equip load for heavier armor, but that's also stylistic. I'm also one of those fags that will keep vit low to use flynns ring.

*snipped out stuff about BB, I didn't play it*

When I said armor is useless I meant that the physical defenses are useless. I never said that the elemental or status effects were. Physical defenses have limited usefulness in DaS2 during the base campaign with their usefulness being pretty much completely phased out in the DLC because of the ridonkulous damage everything does there. I think we both agree on this.

Sure, but I think we're going in circles at this point.
 
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Here, let me help you two out:

BB sucks. DS3 will save us. End of discussion.
 

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I predict that DaS3 will be shat on a lot the same way DaS2 was shat on and still does to this very day despite the DLC existing and being better content than anything else the series has seen.
 

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I'm secretly hoping ds3 sucks so I don't have to burn another thousand hours in it =(
 
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There is no way DaS3 will be shat on. Muhzaki is at the helm and nothing can go wrong. It even looks a bit like DeS. Twitch/Reddit communities are already jizzing all over the place.
 

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are there any legitimate system requirements available?

Hopefully this will happen with DS3
 
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