Deadfire outsold Kingmaker

[Incendax]

I'm not sure whether Obisidian should feel flatterd or insluted by the fact that you guys are comparing Deadfire's sale numbers to AAA titles like Witcher 3 and Fallout 4. What's next? GTA 5 outsold Deadfire even it's more than 5 years old？

Witcher 3 was not guaranteed to be good. It turned out amazing, but it wasn't some tried and true AAA game developer. They pretty much have the same story as Larian.

 

[jf8350143]

I'm not sure whether Obisidian should feel flatterd or insluted by the fact that you guys are comparing Deadfire's sale numbers to AAA titles like Witcher 3 and Fallout 4. What's next? GTA 5 outsold Deadfire even it's more than 5 years old？

Witcher 3 was not guaranteed to be good. It turned out amazing, but it wasn't some tried and true AAA game developer. They pretty much have the same story as Larian.

Witcher 3 has a 80 million dollars budget, in Poland, where they pay much less to their developers comparing to North America. What the heck do you mean it's not a "AAA game developer". It's not Witcher 1 time anymore.

 

[2house2fly]

It wasn't guaranteed to be good, but with years of hype and promotion behind it, it was guaranteed to sell well

 

[Incendax]

Witcher 3 has a 80 million dollars budget, in Poland, where they pay much less to their developers comparing to North America. What the heck do you mean it's not a "AAA game developer". It's not Witcher 1 time anymore.

I mean there was no established expectation that Witcher 3 was going to be good. Witcher 1 was really spotty and they almost went bankrupt afterwards. Witcher 2 was the first genuinely good game, but it was definitely not AAA. You can’t claim that CD Projekt Red is an old and tenured badass AAA developer. They are a recent success story like Larian.

 

[Funposter]

I'm not sure whether Obisidian should feel flatterd or insluted by the fact that you guys are comparing Deadfire's sale numbers to AAA titles like Witcher 3 and Fallout 4. What's next? GTA 5 outsold Deadfire even it's more than 5 years old？

One would expect the sequel to a game which sold 1million+ units to generate more revenue than several-years-old AAA games. GTA V would be an exception due to the multiplayer focus and consistent player population arround the 70-90k mark. When D:OS 2 made more money than those games with similar review scores and a similar pedigree (sequel to a popular, well-reviewed CRPG) it's easy to see what an abject failure Deadfire was.

 

[Commissar Draco]

Is it too late to change my vote in that poll?

Managed to add him yesterday Comrade he is right below the Templar Gay Retard. As to op we have game made by acclaimed western studio released like 5 months before Kingmaker was and still Obshitian managed to be bought on fire sale by Micro-shit, besides sales don't matter much as the best selling RPG was... Yes Skyrim and F04 both shit and all metacritics are not even consoltard peasant but also corrupt hacks:

https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/battlefield-v

Meta-Cucks 81 players who payed and played this pos 3.0.

Fallout New Vegas: Meta-Cucks 84 the people who payed and played the game: 87

https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/fallout-new-vegas

 

[jf8350143]

One would expect the sequel to a game which sold 1million+ units to generate more revenue than several-years-old AAA games. GTA V would be an exception due to the multiplayer focus and consistent player population arround the 70-90k mark. When D:OS 2 made more money than those games with similar review scores and a similar pedigree (sequel to a popular, well-reviewed CRPG) it's easy to see what an abject failure Deadfire was.

Do you know how many copies Witcher 3 sold in 2017, two years after the game releases? 8 million copies, sold even more than 2016, half of them is on the PC. Diablo 3, which was relased back in 2012, offically released in China in 2015, sold more than 1 million copies in the first week, just in China and pc alone.

Meanwahile, it took 3 years for PoE 1 to get 1 million copies sold, on all platforms. D:OS 2 is a juggernaut in the CRPG era, it sold way more comparing to any other CRPG, no others even come close to it, yet it still take them more than two months to reach the 1 million copies mark.

1 million copies might be big numbers for CRPGs, but it means jack shit for AAA titles. Comparing Deadfire to any AAA titles that releases in this generation is meanless.

I mean there was no established expectation that Witcher 3 was going to be good. Witcher 1 was really spotty and they almost went bankrupt afterwards. Witcher 2 was the first genuinely good game, but it was definitely not AAA. You can’t claim that CD Projekt Red is an old and tenured badass AAA developer. They are a recent success story like Larian.

yeah, sure, nobody expect Witcher 3 to be good, that's why Microsoft starts to show the game on their E3 convention since 2013. Again, CDPR spend 80 million dollars(including promotion) on that game because the market didn't expect it to be good.

 

[Funposter]

Do you know how many copies Witcher 3 sold in 2017, two years after the game releases? 8 million copies, sold even more than 2016, half of them is on the PC. Diablo 3, which was relased back in 2012, offically released in China in 2015, sold more than 1 million copies in the first week, just in China and pc alone.

Meanwahile, it took 3 years for PoE 1 to get 1 million copies sold, on all platforms. D:OS 2 is a juggernaut in the CRPG era, it sold way more comparing to any other CRPG, no others even come close to it, yet it still take them more than two months to reach the 1 million copies mark.

1 million copies might be big numbers for CRPGs, but it means jack shit for AAA titles. Comparing Deadfire to any AAA titles that releases in this generation is meanless.

We are not talking about sales figures. We are talking about revenue generated. This is important, because you are right that The Witcher 3 sold more copies on PC in 2017 than it did in 2016, but I am willing to go out on a limb here and say that it was doing so at a reduced price. The Witcher 3 is currently 50% off on Steam, and it has regularly gone on sale with a similarly discounted price over the last couple of years. I doubt it did so only a year after release, however, given its generally strong sales. Obviously you can guess where I'm going here, since one would hope that the vast majority of sales for Deadfire in its first year on the market would be at full price, or only at a minor discount.

You're right, the original Pillars of Eternity did take more than a few months to reach the 1million mark. However, by October of 2015 it had sold 500,000 copies as was announced by Paradox. From March to October is a period of seven months. In this same seven month period, Deadfire has managed to sell just over half of what the original game did. Regardless of this, one would expect that if the original game had been something which people were clamouring for more of, that a large portion of the current consumer base would have purchased the sequel. Instead, it took seven months for a quarter of that consumer base to get around to it. We are not just comparing Deadfire to the revenue generated by AAA games, here. We are looking at Deadfire in comparison to its more popular contemporaries (such as D:OS 2 and even KCD) which have managed to generate similar amounts of revenue in 2018, compared to one or two year old AAA games such as The Witcher 3, Fallout 4, Assassin's Creed Origins, Total Warhammer 2, Ghost Recon: Wildlands, Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Middle Earth: Shadow of War (flop lol), Call of Duty WW2 and Final Fantasy XV.

 

[jf8350143]

I mean there was no established expectation that Witcher 3 was going to be good. Witcher 1 was really spotty and they almost went bankrupt afterwards. Witcher 2 was the first genuinely good game, but it was definitely not AAA. You can’t claim that CD Projekt Red is an old and tenured badass AAA developer. They are a recent success story like Larian.

Do you know how many copies Witcher 3 sold in 2017, two years after the game releases? 8 million copies, sold even more than 2016, half of them is on the PC. Diablo 3, which was relased back in 2012, offically released in China in 2015, sold more than 1 million copies in the first week, just in China and pc alone.

Meanwahile, it took 3 years for PoE 1 to get 1 million copies sold, on all platforms. D:OS 2 is a juggernaut in the CRPG era, it sold way more comparing to any other CRPG, no others even come close to it, yet it still take them more than two months to reach the 1 million copies mark.

1 million copies might be big numbers for CRPGs, but it means jack shit for AAA titles. Comparing Deadfire to any AAA titles that releases in this generation is meanless.

We are not talking about sales figures. We are talking about revenue generated. This is important, because you are right that The Witcher 3 sold more copies on PC in 2017 than it did in 2016, but I am willing to go out on a limb here and say that it was doing so at a reduced price. The Witcher 3 is currently 50% off on Steam, and it has regularly gone on sale with a similarly discounted price over the last couple of years. I doubt it did so only a year after release, however, given its generally strong sales. Obviously you can guess where I'm going here, since one would hope that the vast majority of sales for Deadfire in its first year on the market would be at full price, or only at a minor discount.

You're right, the original Pillars of Eternity did take more than a few months to reach the 1million mark. However, by October of 2015 it had sold 500,000 copies as was announced by Paradox. From March to October is a period of seven months. In this same seven month period, Deadfire has managed to sell just over half of what the original game did. Regardless of this, one would expect that if the original game had been something which people were clamouring for more of, that a large portion of the current consumer base would have purchased the sequel. Instead, it took seven months for a quarter of that consumer base to get around to it. We are not just comparing Deadfire to the revenue generated by AAA games, here. We are looking at Deadfire in comparison to its more popular contemporaries (such as D:OS 2 and even KCD) which have managed to generate similar amounts of revenue in 2018, compared to one or two year old AAA games such as The Witcher 3, Fallout 4, Assassin's Creed Origins, Total Warhammer 2, Ghost Recon: Wildlands, Shadow of the Tomb Raider, Middle Earth: Shadow of War (flop lol), Call of Duty WW2 and Final Fantasy XV.

Witcher 3's first year sales revenue was 250 million dollars, and 2017's revenue is around 42% of that. Of course PC's reveneue is generally lower comparing to Console, but still.

Also like I said, D:OS 2 is miles ahead of any CRPGs when it comes to sales reveue, saying Deadfire is a faillure because it didn't sell as much as D:OS 2, is like saying a movie is shit because it's not good as The Godfather.

 

[AwesomeButton]

It has more sales, better reviews, and greater prestige than Kingmaker.

And yet it offers less than half the fun that I had in the opening two chapters of PKM.

 

[Incendax]

yeah, sure, nobody expect Witcher 3 to be good, that's why Microsoft starts to show the game on their E3 convention since 2013. Again, CDPR spend 80 million dollars(including promotion) on that game because the market didn't expect it to be good.

Would you like to compare how many E3 games flop compared to how many are a critical success?

 

[Nuclear Explosion]

Deadfire is a financial failure because it has sold far fewer copies than its predecessor did in a comparable amount of time despite having a larger budget; it's possible that it hasn't even broken even yet. It is very likely a flop.

 

[jf8350143]

It has more sales, better reviews, and greater prestige than Kingmaker.

And yet it offers less than half the fun that I had in the opening two chapters of PKM.

It also offers half the pain Kingmaker gives as well, perfectly balanced.

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

This isn't much of a victory given all the titles that outsold Deadfire. D:OS 2, which was released last year, made significantly more money this year than Deadfire (though sure, it had four more months). So did Kingdom Come: Deliverance. But getting outsold by a relatively old thing like Fallout 4? Embarrassing.

Comparing the sales of games made with different budgets, marketing and target audience. That's beyond retarded. I don't know why people keep bringing D:OS2 in these discussions. The game cost so much more. FO4? Really? Of course the fact that Obsidian released three DLCs gave the sales of PoE2 a bump because you can buy a package, but you need to factor in the costs of these DLCs.

I'm glad to see a game that was actually complete on release did better than a game that you literally could not finish without a hex editor. The cucks that defend shitty business practices like the Kingmaker dev's are disgusting. The game should have sold 0 copies.

Selling your game into small DLC pieces is also a shitty practice.

 

[Funposter]

Deadfire is a financial failure because it has sold far fewer copies than its predecessor did in a comparable amount of time despite having a larger budget; it's possible that it hasn't even broken even yet. It is very likely a flop.

Bingo. Obsidian and InXile were not bought out by Microsoft because they were releasing popular games.

 

[TheImplodingVoice]

Confirmed by Valve. Deadfire made it to steam's top 100 games ranked by gross revenue and Kingmaker didn't.

https://store.steampowered.com/sale/winter2018bestof/

Most people assumed Kingmaker sold better because it had more reviews, but apparently not. Analysis?

Remind me which company had to sell themselves and which one is independent with a great game(buggy) and which one of these 2 will end up making shovelware gamepass games?

 

[Cael]

Reviews have to do with quality

Keep believing that, someday it will be true. Or it will never happen because this is a load of bullshit.

It's not like we live in a world where some Bethestards claim the first two Fallout games are terrible solely because of the gameplay. Oh wait, we do.

We live in a world where people think that globull warming is based on science, and that wymmyn has never, in the entire history of humanity, made up lies about sexual assault in order to fuck up other people's lives (all wymmyn must be believed, eh?). We also live in a world where game developers and journalists have been caught in the act of using alts and pseudonyms to uprate their own games/articles.

That fanbois keep pointing to reviews or ratings (in a world where Shillary lost the 97% unloseable election) is a sure sign of the paucity of their argument.

 

[TheImplodingVoice]

Reviews have to do with quality

Keep believing that, someday it will be true. Or it will never happen because this is a load of bullshit.

It's not like we live in a world where some Bethestards claim the first two Fallout games are terrible solely because of the gameplay. Oh wait, we do.

We live in a world where people think that globull warming is based on science, and that wymmyn has never, in the entire history of humanity, made up lies about sexual assault in order to fuck up other people's lives (all wymmyn must be believed, eh?). We also live in a world where game developers and journalists have been caught in the act of using alts and pseudonyms to uprate their own games/articles.

That fanbois keep pointing to reviews or ratings (in a world where Shillary lost the 97% unloseable election) is a sure sign of the paucity of their argument.

 

[Cael]

Reviews have to do with quality

Keep believing that, someday it will be true. Or it will never happen because this is a load of bullshit.

It's not like we live in a world where some Bethestards claim the first two Fallout games are terrible solely because of the gameplay. Oh wait, we do.

We live in a world where people think that globull warming is based on science, and that wymmyn has never, in the entire history of humanity, made up lies about sexual assault in order to fuck up other people's lives (all wymmyn must be believed, eh?). We also live in a world where game developers and journalists have been caught in the act of using alts and pseudonyms to uprate their own games/articles.

That fanbois keep pointing to reviews or ratings (in a world where Shillary lost the 97% unloseable election) is a sure sign of the paucity of their argument.

OW! My dose!

 

[Generic-Giant-Spider]

You're the dumbass that reads cereal packaging

...I'm slinking lower in my chair...

 

[TemplarGR]

I don't know about sales or reviews, but having played both, and having been playing video games for almost 30 years now, i have to say that anyone who claims Kingmaker is better than Deadfire:

a) Is a russian shill

b) Is a pretentious hipster trying to troll

c) Is an idiot.

In the idiot category belong those who hate Deadfire even though they haven't played it, or praise Kingmaker even though they haven't played it... Or simply those autists who don't understand what a good game is...

Kingmaker is a nice concept. CONCEPT. It is a game we desperately wanna love because it tries to be a modern baldur's gate based on a derivative of 3.5 DnD. It really tries. It comes from an underdog company. We feel the need to support that, i get it.

But the execution, the final product, is shit. I am not just talking about the bugs. Bugs are only 1 part of the equation. But the game is badly designed. It is like playing DnD with a retarded sadistic DM...

Could it be fixed? Perhaps. But when we evaluate games NOW, we don't evaluate "potential", we evaluate the fucking game we have installed on our hard drives right the fuck NOW and we can play it NOW. Not what it could potentially be IF and WHEN the developers fix the issues and rebalance the game, or add content...

Deadfire is a great CRPG, TODAY. You can install and play it right NOW and have a very nice experience. Can't say the same about Kingmaker.

So please, all the morons who proclaimed Kingmaker GOTY of 2018, please do kindly move to a silent corner and stealth kill yourselves.

 

[hexer]

If you're bringing up numbers and math as arguments, make sure you don't forget these facts:

1. Deadfire was released on May 8th and Kingmaker on September 25th. Deadfire had extra 140 days to outsell Kingmaker.
2. Deadfire had support from journalists on release day, Kingmaker didn't.
3. Deadfire is a sequel to an Obsidian game, Kingmaker is a game by an obscure Russian studio.
   
4. Most average gamers trust reviews so much they'll believe it when PC Gamer says Deadfire is the best RPG of 2018.

 

[TemplarGR]

We live in a world where people think that globull warming is based on science, and that wymmyn has never, in the entire history of humanity, made up lies about sexual assault in order to fuck up other people's lives (all wymmyn must be believed, eh?). We also live in a world where game developers and journalists have been caught in the act of using alts and pseudonyms to uprate their own games/articles.

That fanbois keep pointing to reviews or ratings (in a world where Shillary lost the 97% unloseable election) is a sure sign of the paucity of their argument.

You see, i would like to brofist this but i can't.

This forum is full to the brim with shilling accounts and is blatantly obvious to anyone who isn't a retard or a 12 year old. I mean, when someone claims something is white when you can clearly see with your own eyes that it is black, then what can you think? Either he is a lunatic, or he is gaslighting...

And obviously not just this forum, but the whole internet is a giant PR shilling playground. This forum gets a lot of action by the crpg niche because here shills are more likely to promote their shit to a niche audience, but in general almost everything on the internet is a shilling attempt. Servers and content do cost money, after all, and all those kind people who want to inform you (for free) on what to buy, don't do this because they love you...

Shills have been proven to be more effective than proper advertisements, because people shrug off normal advertisements but tend to trust more the "user opinions", because they tend to think that those guys are "one of us" and thus if they like it then it is good... That is why companies pay a pittance to a couple of bums with an internet connection to sit on their butt all day writing good impressions about stuff they want to sell, and it works much better than paying thousands for a banner that 80% of people will never see anyway because most use adblock.

It is pretty pathetic, but what can you do? For example, Safav Hamon is pretty obvious he is an Obsidian shill. He doesn't even try to hide it. He keeps posting about 1 game and 1 game only, keeps posting news, etc. He is just shilling for Obsidian and that is something that anyone with eyes can see. Most of the time i agree with him because i genuinely like Deadfire and think it is a great game, but that doesn't mean he isn't a shill

Still, the reason i don't brofist your post, is because global warming not only is based on science, but the human civilization is facing extinction and we have probably walked past the point of no return anyway. Science has PROVEN that the average temperature has been rising steadily for decades, and that is a FACT. Denying this is like denying the Apollo missions landed on the moon, it just makes you a retard.

 

[TT1]

I will develop a Chrome plugin to apply "shit" to all Safav posts, on every page. Will save me some time.

 

[panda]

This forum is full to the brim with shilling accounts

Projecting much?