Disco Elysium creative lead Robert Kurvitz was quietly fired from ZA/UM in late 2021, files lawsuit against them

[Tyrr]

The writing in Rance is also based when it comes to other topics.

Spoiler

 

[toro]

"women peak before they've gone through puberty" -codex

The average age of the first period has been decreasing over time. In 1900 in the United States, the average age of the first period was between 14 and 15 years of age. The decreasing age of the onset of menstruation seems to have levelled off now at 12.

edit: pedos are despicable but there is something more insidious at play.

 

[Saerain]

"women peak before they've gone through puberty" -codex

The average age of the first period has been decreasing over time. In 1900 in the United States, the average age of the first period was between 14 and 15 years of age. The decreasing age of the onset of menstruation seems to have levelled off now at 12.

edit: pedos are despicable but there is something more insidious at play.

Noticeably the minimum doesn't really drop so much as the maximum (fewer late bloomers) and thereby the average, implying the "insidious" thing is more like better nutrition.

Relevantly:

Wish I could get both from the same sources, but you get the idea.

 

[Harthwain]

This is literally what I mean when I say you're retarded.

Says the guy who can't match input and output...

The whole thread/conversation was not solely referencing them as adults

The core of the problem is that one of them WASN'T an adult at the time.

my specific comment about two consenting adults doing what they want was referring to them as adults

Which is irrelevant to the discussion (the most important aspect of it at least). Hence my comment that targeted specifically the adult part.

Doubt it tbh since you're either extremely disingenuious or retarded (likely both).

The pot calling the kettle black.

I outright stated he is probably a pedophile/creep/disgusting/etc. The point of me injecting nuance is to make it clear that we shouldn't destroy a man's character and credibility without knowing the full context behind the situation

ItsChon: The guy is probably a pedophile/creep/disgusting/etc.!
Also ItsChon: We shouldn't destroy a man's character and credibility!

 

[Roguey]

well yeah, the racial make up of the US has changed
browns mature faster, correlated with being a simpler human organism and needing less parental input
fatherlessness also has been correlated with an earlier onset of menses across the board, evolutionary function of getting the oven cooking sooner in an environment that used to be the consequence of excess male die-off
also sexual abuse, you can count exposure to pornography among that

My largely-Euro suburban 7th grade class was full of 12 year olds with raging hormones.

 

[hivemind]

if you had even 1 non-white person in your class aged 4-12 you aren't really, truly, white yourself

your gut and skin microbiomes got colonized during your most essential developmental period

you might as well have grown up in the jungles of mother Africa

 

[ItsChon]

Like I said, an actual fucking monkey. Interacting with you is painful.

The core of the problem is that one of them WASN'T an adult at the time.

Stop responding to me if you're not going to bother to read the thread.

That's not at all what I was saying. My point is, how do we know there situation wasn't as nuanced as mine? If there is a document or video I missed, please share it with me. If they started dating when she was still very young, it's horrible, if they started dating when she was older, it could still be horrible if he groomed her, if neither of the two occurred, then there is no problem. Seeing as we have no way to determine which of any of these scenarios is true, and I'll never meet them in person to observe said relationship, I don't see any point in shitting on their relationship. It's hilarious you're trying to paint me as a pedo apologist when that is not the case at all. Also, what else has this guy done that's so terrible/scummy, outside of being a neurotic/discouraging boss and a commie?

EDIT: And I didn't do anything. I'm just highlighting that such situations are not black and white like the Codex likes to pretend they are. It is impossible to pass judgement on this guy without knowing the full story, and seeing how that is not available to us, I don't know how we can have people excusing his behavior (pedo sympathizers) and people that are condemning him as a man (reactionary retards).

I literally posted this a page before you responded with your bullshit. How the fuck do you know when they had sexual relations? For all we know, they started seeing each other when she was in her twenties? If you have information that indicates this isn't the case, please enlighten me.

Can't wait to see you weasel your way out of this one instead of just admitting you made a mistake lmfao.

 

[KVVRR]

videogames?

 

[tommy heavenly6]

videogames?

Sadly not worth playing these days

 

[ItsChon]

videogames?

Sadly not worth playing these days

I hate when people say stupid shit like this. There are a lot of great games still worth playing, one just needs to find them. There are very few RPGs worth playing, but games as a whole? Miss me.

EDIT: It's possible you've played all of them, but I somehow doubt it.

 

[tommy heavenly6]

I hate when people say stupid shit like this. There are a lot of great games still worth playing, one just needs to find them. There are very few RPGs worth playing, but games as a whole? Miss me.

Relax brother, it was tongue-in-cheek

 

[Skorpion]

Like I said, an actual fucking monkey. Interacting with you is painful.

The core of the problem is that one of them WASN'T an adult at the time.

Stop responding to me if you're not going to bother to read the thread.

That's not at all what I was saying. My point is, how do we know there situation wasn't as nuanced as mine? If there is a document or video I missed, please share it with me. If they started dating when she was still very young, it's horrible, if they started dating when she was older, it could still be horrible if he groomed her, if neither of the two occurred, then there is no problem. Seeing as we have no way to determine which of any of these scenarios is true, and I'll never meet them in person to observe said relationship, I don't see any point in shitting on their relationship. It's hilarious you're trying to paint me as a pedo apologist when that is not the case at all. Also, what else has this guy done that's so terrible/scummy, outside of being a neurotic/discouraging boss and a commie?

EDIT: And I didn't do anything. I'm just highlighting that such situations are not black and white like the Codex likes to pretend they are. It is impossible to pass judgement on this guy without knowing the full story, and seeing how that is not available to us, I don't know how we can have people excusing his behavior (pedo sympathizers) and people that are condemning him as a man (reactionary retards).

I literally posted this a page before you responded with your bullshit. How the fuck do you know when they had sexual relations? For all we know, they started seeing each other when she was in her twenties? If you have information that indicates this isn't the case, please enlighten me.

Can't wait to see you weasel your way out of this one instead of just admitting you made a mistake lmfao.

You have gone from on the fence pointless essay to defending.
The question is are you defending the person or the idea?
Let me give you an example.
There once was a man named Johnny Depp and he was known throughout the land as a decent man, "a good man" some said. Far and wide he was known to be a professional and known not only as at the top of his game but as someone that improved those around him in the business.
He was well liked from current friends to exgirlfriends. Many people with equally known good reputations both small and large considered him a good person in all their dealings both personal and professional. Honorable one might say.
Then one day a woman barely known for more than her looks called him all sorts of names and accused him of all sorts of things and lo' the masses were confused.
"Believe all women!" some shouted.
"But hes a good man in all his dealings, she must be lying!" others exclaimed.
It was finally handled in a court of their peers, and in the general public as well.
For dear reader you see, he was a decent person. He had failings but was not what she had claimed. Many knew this to be true as the truth did come out for not only were the facts between the two laid bare but their entire lives and reputations were scrutinized to the tiniest detail. Public for all to see, and to decide.
What pray tell is the moral of this story?
Shitheads always out themselves because they live lives of shit and everyone sees it that comes in contact with them. So stop strawmanning an ideal of justice with a known shit head. We get it, dont judge too fast or with too little information!
My point is your dying on a rotten pedo hill for a horrible human over a case of mistaken decency and justice regarding a concept, not the human we are all discussing.

 

[gurugeorge]

Like I said, an actual fucking monkey. Interacting with you is painful.

The core of the problem is that one of them WASN'T an adult at the time.

Stop responding to me if you're not going to bother to read the thread.

That's not at all what I was saying. My point is, how do we know there situation wasn't as nuanced as mine? If there is a document or video I missed, please share it with me. If they started dating when she was still very young, it's horrible, if they started dating when she was older, it could still be horrible if he groomed her, if neither of the two occurred, then there is no problem. Seeing as we have no way to determine which of any of these scenarios is true, and I'll never meet them in person to observe said relationship, I don't see any point in shitting on their relationship. It's hilarious you're trying to paint me as a pedo apologist when that is not the case at all. Also, what else has this guy done that's so terrible/scummy, outside of being a neurotic/discouraging boss and a commie?

EDIT: And I didn't do anything. I'm just highlighting that such situations are not black and white like the Codex likes to pretend they are. It is impossible to pass judgement on this guy without knowing the full story, and seeing how that is not available to us, I don't know how we can have people excusing his behavior (pedo sympathizers) and people that are condemning him as a man (reactionary retards).

I literally posted this a page before you responded with your bullshit. How the fuck do you know when they had sexual relations? For all we know, they started seeing each other when she was in her twenties? If you have information that indicates this isn't the case, please enlighten me.

Can't wait to see you weasel your way out of this one instead of just admitting you made a mistake lmfao.

You have gone from on the fence pointless essay to defending.
The question is are you defending the person or the idea?
Let me give you an example.
There once was a man named Johnny Depp and he was known throughout the land as a decent man, "a good man" some said. Far and wide he was known to be a professional and known not only as at the top of his game but as someone that improved those around him in the business.
He was well liked from current friends to exgirlfriends. Many people with equally known good reputations both small and large considered him a good person in all their dealings both personal and professional. Honorable one might say.
Then one day a woman barely known for more than her looks called him all sorts of names and accused him of all sorts of things and lo' the masses were confused.
"Believe all women!" some shouted.
"But hes a good man in all his dealings, she must be lying!" others exclaimed.
It was finally handled in a court of their peers, and in the general public as well.
For dear reader you see, he was a decent person. He had failings but was not what she had claimed. Many knew this to be true as the truth did come out for not only were the facts between the two laid bare but their entire lives and reputations were scrutinized to the tiniest detail. Public for all to see, and to decide.
What pray tell is the moral of this story?
Shitheads always out themselves because they live lives of shit and everyone sees it that comes in contact with them. So stop strawmanning an ideal of justice with a known shit head. We get it, dont judge too fast or with too little information!
My point is your dying on a rotten pedo hill for a horrible human over a case of mistaken decency and justice regarding a concept, not the human we are all discussing.

I think the point is we don't really know enough about the humans we're discussing. There are more and less benign ways of viewing the thing, and we don't really have enough information to judge properly.

 

[Skorpion]

Like I said, an actual fucking monkey. Interacting with you is painful.

The core of the problem is that one of them WASN'T an adult at the time.

Stop responding to me if you're not going to bother to read the thread.

That's not at all what I was saying. My point is, how do we know there situation wasn't as nuanced as mine? If there is a document or video I missed, please share it with me. If they started dating when she was still very young, it's horrible, if they started dating when she was older, it could still be horrible if he groomed her, if neither of the two occurred, then there is no problem. Seeing as we have no way to determine which of any of these scenarios is true, and I'll never meet them in person to observe said relationship, I don't see any point in shitting on their relationship. It's hilarious you're trying to paint me as a pedo apologist when that is not the case at all. Also, what else has this guy done that's so terrible/scummy, outside of being a neurotic/discouraging boss and a commie?

EDIT: And I didn't do anything. I'm just highlighting that such situations are not black and white like the Codex likes to pretend they are. It is impossible to pass judgement on this guy without knowing the full story, and seeing how that is not available to us, I don't know how we can have people excusing his behavior (pedo sympathizers) and people that are condemning him as a man (reactionary retards).

I literally posted this a page before you responded with your bullshit. How the fuck do you know when they had sexual relations? For all we know, they started seeing each other when she was in her twenties? If you have information that indicates this isn't the case, please enlighten me.

Can't wait to see you weasel your way out of this one instead of just admitting you made a mistake lmfao.

You have gone from on the fence pointless essay to defending.
The question is are you defending the person or the idea?
Let me give you an example.
There once was a man named Johnny Depp and he was known throughout the land as a decent man, "a good man" some said. Far and wide he was known to be a professional and known not only as at the top of his game but as someone that improved those around him in the business.
He was well liked from current friends to exgirlfriends. Many people with equally known good reputations both small and large considered him a good person in all their dealings both personal and professional. Honorable one might say.
Then one day a woman barely known for more than her looks called him all sorts of names and accused him of all sorts of things and lo' the masses were confused.
"Believe all women!" some shouted.
"But hes a good man in all his dealings, she must be lying!" others exclaimed.
It was finally handled in a court of their peers, and in the general public as well.
For dear reader you see, he was a decent person. He had failings but was not what she had claimed. Many knew this to be true as the truth did come out for not only were the facts between the two laid bare but their entire lives and reputations were scrutinized to the tiniest detail. Public for all to see, and to decide.
What pray tell is the moral of this story?
Shitheads always out themselves because they live lives of shit and everyone sees it that comes in contact with them. So stop strawmanning an ideal of justice with a known shit head. We get it, dont judge too fast or with too little information!
My point is your dying on a rotten pedo hill for a horrible human over a case of mistaken decency and justice regarding a concept, not the human we are all discussing.

I think the point is we don't really know enough about the humans we're discussing. There are more and less benign ways of viewing the thing, and we don't really have enough information to judge properly.

Oh but we do.

 

[Harthwain]

Like I said, an actual fucking monkey. Interacting with you is painful.

Going by that analogy you're either more stupid than a monkey or a masochist. Maybe both. A word of advice - if you try to insult someone, at least do it in a way that doesn't make you look even more stupid than you're already are.

Stop responding to me if you're not going to bother to read the thread.

I will stop responding to you when you learn to actually read what's written, because then there ought to be little to correct. Although I am most likely being fabulously optimistic here...

I literally posted this a page before you responded with your bullshit. How the fuck do you know when they had sexual relations? For all we know, they started seeing each other when she was in her twenties? If you have information that indicates this isn't the case, please enlighten me.

This post is on the same page as your post "Who knows how things played out between Kurvitz and Helen". In fact, literally THE first post on that page, too:

On another note: Helen being just a teen when she and Kurvitz started a relationship makes a surprising lot of sense when you consider that one of the three main characters in Sacred and Terrible Air is, by his own admission, a pedophile. He's dating a supermodel that he knew since she was 14 iirc. Wonder where he got that idea?

A pedophile, as far as I am aware, targets people who are not adults (and he's attracted to them). He doesn't even need to actually have sex to be a pedophile. So you can, technically, be a pedophile and resist your urges. Or go after "legal" non-adults by using the age of consent as your shield.

Now, is Kurvitz actually a pedophile? Either he is or he isn't. I can't blame people who think it looks very much like a serial killer taking a memento of his victim and hiding it in plain sight because he gets a kick from it (see the quote above). The similarities here are too close for comfort. And an adult fucking a girl who isn't even close to adulthood is going to raise questions, even if it's technically legal. It gets even worse when the age difference is significant.

Can't wait to see you weasel your way out of this one instead of just admitting you made a mistake lmfao.

I never shied away from admitting my mistakes, ever. However, for that to happen I would first need to make a mistake. Am I wrong? I could be. Then again, you're doing a shitty job at proving it (and your arrogance prevents you from seeing past your own nose). Which would strongly indicate I am not wrong after all. This goes double considering your credibility in terms of logic/ability to reason.

I think the point is we don't really know enough about the humans we're discussing.

Actually, no. That's not the point. The point is that it's pointless to talk about "two consenting adults" when there are no adults begin with. That post is internally consistent until the last line, which completely out of place. Even if we assume that age of consent for fucking was 14 at the time, and even if that's legal (somehow) you still aren't considered an adult, because the age of adulthood is measured differently (somehow), at least until marriage (in some cases).

 

[Roguey]

I bet Kurvitz put that "cock carousel" dialogue in Disco Elysium to stealth brag about how he picked up a girl as a life partner before she ever got on it.

 

[Skorpion]

I bet Kurvitz put that "cock carousel" dialogue in Disco Elysium to stealth brag about how he picked up a girl as a life partner before she ever got on it.

"Life partner" you forget she will age-out. Likely quicker now that he has no artistic "outlet" and by that I mean bank balance.

 

[Infinitron]

Kurvitz isn't broke. He's working on a new project with Rostov and others, with investor funding.

 

[Alienman]

Commie investor funding, I hope

 

[Longes]

Commie investor funding, I hope

Yes, NetEase

 

[Roguey]

GrafvonMoltke

I bet Kurvitz put that "cock carousel" dialogue in Disco Elysium to stealth brag about how he picked up a girl as a life partner before she ever got on it.

"Life partner" you forget she will age-out.

Yeah, that's also the possibility. The way other guys at the studio were disturbed by their relationship, it sounds like they have some 24/7 dom/sub relationship like shoe0nhead did before her boyfriend dumped her for a younger woman who happened to look a lot like her.

 

[hivemind]

straight cisgender people are such degenerate perverts

we should keep them away from children to make sure they don't spread their sickness

 

[ItsChon]

My point is your dying on a rotten pedo hill for a horrible human over a case of mistaken decency and justice regarding a concept, not the human we are all discussing.

Wrong. Your reading comprehension skills are clearly lacking. The hill that I am dying on is that we should not throw accusations that could ruin peoples lives and credibility without enough information.

I literally posted this a page before you responded with your bullshit. How the fuck do you know when they had sexual relations? For all we know, they started seeing each other when she was in her twenties? If you have information that indicates this isn't the case, please enlighten me.

This post is on the same page as your post "Who knows how things played out between Kurvitz and Helen". In fact, literally THE first post on that page, too:

On another note: Helen being just a teen when she and Kurvitz started a relationship makes a surprising lot of sense when you consider that one of the three main characters in Sacred and Terrible Air is, by his own admission, a pedophile. He's dating a supermodel that he knew since she was 14 iirc. Wonder where he got that idea?

A pedophile, as far as I am aware, targets people who are not adults (and he's attracted to them). He doesn't even need to actually have sex to be a pedophile. So you can, technically, be a pedophile and resist your urges. Or go after "legal" non-adults by using the age of consent as your shield.

Now, is Kurvitz actually a pedophile? Either he is or he isn't. I can't blame people who think it looks very much like a serial killer taking a memento of his victim and hiding it in plain sight because he gets a kick from it (see the quote above). The similarities here are too close for comfort. And an adult fucking a girl who isn't even close to adulthood is going to raise questions, even if it's technically legal. It gets even worse when the age difference is significant.

That being said I actually didn't see the end of the post. I want to state that while yes, a pedophile is technically someone who is exclusively or primarily sexually attracted to prepubescents, it often carries the connotation that a person acted on their urges. Why is this relevant? Because after reading your post you are actually right in saying there is sufficient enough evidence to reasonably assume that Kurvitz at the very least had pedophilic urges. That being said, if I knew someone who had such urges but never acted on them, I would have immense respect for said person (though I would also never let my guard down around them and certainly never let them near my children). Pedophilia is a type of disorder, and it is actually tragic for someone to be born with such a disorder or to acquire one due to trauma. Of course, all this sympathy goes out the window if someone so much as touches a child, and I agree with the statement that all pedophiles should be lined up against a wall and shot. That being said, if someone is capable of resisting this horrible temptation and still live a holy life in accordance to the Lord, they deserve praise and respect, not admonishment. The same applies to those who are born/develop homosexual urges, as well as really any other degenerate form of paraphilia or mental disorder.

The reason I will proceed to shit on Kurvitz is because the chances that he groomed this young girl are extremely high and that is absolutely foul and disgusting, and he now has the burden of proof to prove his innocence if he wants people to not assume the worst.

What's hilarious is that if you had cited this form the beginning I would have instantly changed my tune. Too bad it took several posts of incomprehensible rambling, strawman, and general retardation for you to get there. Whatever though, good to know Kurvitz is a disgusting creep.

 

[Haba]

it sounds like they have some 24/7 dom/sub relationship

That is a funny way of saying "normal healthy relationship".

 

[Harthwain]

What's hilarious is that if you had cited this form the beginning I would have instantly changed my tune. Too bad it took several posts of incomprehensible rambling, strawman, and general retardation for you to get there.

Correction - I was already there. It was you who had to guided (by me, no less), because you have obvious issues when it comes to reading comprehension and forming coherent arguments. But it is a nice surprise to see that we are on the same page, for once.