Incline Disco Elysium - The Final Cut - a hardboiled cop show isometric RPG

[Prime Junta]

Maybe? You gotta remember though that the writers are Euros. The locker room talk thing may well have been a jab at Trump but it didn't register as such to me (also a Euro) when I was playing it; it's an old expression after all.

 

[Adidas-Clichèd Cringe]

Think I used the "locker room talk" phrase when talking with

Spoiler

Titus after Klaasje had stated that she had not been raped by the merc and the "evidence tape" is just the way he talks.

Don't remember the game chastising me about it and it certainly didn't make me think about Trump at all.

 

[bertram_tung]

Maybe? You gotta remember though that the writers are Euros. The locker room talk thing may well have been a jab at Trump but it didn't register as such to me (also a Euro) when I was playing it; it's an old expression after all.

i don't really care about what euros think though. it's very clear what it was intended as

 

[bertram_tung]

Think I used the "locker room talk" phrase when talking with

Spoiler

Titus after Klaasje had stated that she had not been raped by the merc and the "evidence tape" is just the way he talks.

Don't remember the game chastising me about it and it certainly didn't make me think about Trump at all.

The asian partner is the one who used the phrase in my game, to criticize me for something i said.

 

[Jimmious]

Tbh, I would be surprised if a game of that style didn't take a jab or two at the funniest US president ever. Why wouldn't it? Everyone is making fun of that guy, even the people that support him. There will be pres. Trump jokes in everything for many years to come, be ready for that

 

[Prime Junta]

The asian partner is the one who used the phrase in my game, to criticize me for something i said.

Oh he's gonna give you a hard time if you play as Trump. Go for it, I think you'll like it.

 

[bertram_tung]

Tbh, I would be surprised if a game of that style didn't take a jab or two at the funniest US president ever. Why wouldn't it? Everyone is making fun of that guy, even the people that support him. There will be pres. Trump jokes in everything for many years to come, be ready for that

that's true. but the joke wasn't "funny" it came off more as grandstanding/moralizing
if it was funny it would have been fine

 

[Prime Junta]

Tbh, I would be surprised if a game of that style didn't take a jab or two at the funniest US president ever. Why wouldn't it? Everyone is making fun of that guy, even the people that support him. There will be pres. Trump jokes in everything for many years to come, be ready for that

that's true. but the joke wasn't "funny" it came off more as grandstanding/moralizing

No offence bruh but you're starting to come across as a wee bit butthurt here. Prepare your anus, there will be more.

 

[bertram_tung]

Tbh, I would be surprised if a game of that style didn't take a jab or two at the funniest US president ever. Why wouldn't it? Everyone is making fun of that guy, even the people that support him. There will be pres. Trump jokes in everything for many years to come, be ready for that

that's true. but the joke wasn't "funny" it came off more as grandstanding/moralizing

No offence bruh but you're starting to come across as a wee bit butthurt here. Prepare your anus, there will be more.

i just stated an opinion criticizing a poorly written line, you questioned me about it, i'm explaining my stance. i'm loving the game

 

[Haba]

The instances where Kim starts moralizing to you do feel out of place.

I probably escaped the worst of them as I had internalized feminism, so in a couple of places I was forced to say out lines I didn't want to (and Kim would've probably interjected with those).

 

[bertram_tung]

The instances where Kim starts moralizing to you do feel out of place.

I probably escaped the worst of them as I had internalized feminism, so in a couple of places I was forced to say out lines I didn't want to (and Kim would've probably interjected with those).

yeah, well said. i didn't post about the "locker room talk" thing here because that was the only line that was dumb. if it was just that, i probably would have ignored it. but he does it several times throughout the game and that was just one of the more overt poorly executed examples. It's cool that you can play whatever character you want, but you have a constant buzzing in your ear from a character with a very specific ideology and he is presented as the "wise moral compass" imo

i love the general political humor but there is just no need for something so needlessly "current year" political. it's like if planescape torment had a joke about "what the definition of 'is' is" or something about interns giving blowjobs to cigars... too obvious

at the same time, i love the character of kim, he is a total bro. he reminds me of my very stupid liberal but loyal friends

 

[Prime Junta]

The instances where Kim starts moralizing to you do feel out of place.

I probably escaped the worst of them as I had internalized feminism, so in a couple of places I was forced to say out lines I didn't want to (and Kim would've probably interjected with those).

Well... thing is, Kim is kind of a moralist. If you get to know him and he likes you, he'll open up about it. He's quite touchy about some stuff -- like not being treated as Revacholian because he's ethnically Seol -- and women's rights. If you play as a racist shitlord he will get seriously pissed off at you. But it is consistent with the way the character is written. He's a really sympathetic character and I felt bad letting him down, but he is not a self-insert by any of the authors, nor intended to be a moral compass of any kind. In fact if you do follow his advice consistently you'll miss out on some of the best stuff in the game.

 

[Sizzle]

Convinced several friends to buy this wonderful game (and several more to try it out and buy it if they like it).

I really hope they make a sequel to it someday (preferably soon!)

 

[TT1]

I think I will call Disco Elysium the PST "Emotional Sucessor" in my review.

I need to drink every time I play it

 

[Adidas-Clichèd Cringe]

I played as a moralist and Kim used it to defend me at the end.

 

[Haba]

Well... thing is, Kim is kind of a moralist. If you get to know him and he likes you, he'll open up about it. He's quite touchy about some stuff -- like not being treated as Revacholian because he's ethnically Seol -- and women's rights. If you play as a racist shitlord he will get seriously pissed off at you. But it is consistent with the way the character is written. He's a really sympathetic character and I felt bad letting him down, but he is not a self-insert by any of the authors, nor intended to be a moral compass of any kind. In fact if you do follow his advice consistently you'll miss out on some of the best stuff in the game.

That is not the point. You can and should have characters that have strong beliefs that they stand for. But that does not mean that they should go on long tirades about how women can do everything that men do.

Those instances are not consistent with the character or the setting itself. Kim being a former moralist should be more subdued in his criticism and deliver it from the perspective of the setting, not as some modern day activist would do.

Thankfully I've only seen two (the feminism one and the racist lorry driver). Both of those are clear candidates for a rewrite.

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

I played as a moralist and Kim used it to defend me at the end.

That's cool. I took my pants off to connect with the spirits when interrogating a suspect and Kim praised my unorthodox methods during the ending.

 

[bertram_tung]

Well... thing is, Kim is kind of a moralist. If you get to know him and he likes you, he'll open up about it. He's quite touchy about some stuff -- like not being treated as Revacholian because he's ethnically Seol -- and women's rights. If you play as a racist shitlord he will get seriously pissed off at you. But it is consistent with the way the character is written. He's a really sympathetic character and I felt bad letting him down, but he is not a self-insert by any of the authors, nor intended to be a moral compass of any kind. In fact if you do follow his advice consistently you'll miss out on some of the best stuff in the game.

That is not the point. You can and should have characters that have strong beliefs that they stand for. But that does not mean that they should go on long tirades about how women can do everything that men do.

Those instances are not consistent with the character or the setting itself. Kim being a former moralist should be more subdued in his criticism and deliver it from the perspective of the setting, not as some modern day activist would do.

Thankfully I've only seen two (the feminism one and the racist lorry driver). Both of those are clear candidates for a rewrite.

Thanks for being able to communicate what I am too drunk to properly say

 

[Prime Junta]

Those instances are not consistent with the character or the setting itself. Kim being a former moralist should be more subdued in his criticism and deliver it from the perspective of the setting, not as some modern day activist would do.

Thankfully I've only seen two (the feminism one and the racist lorry driver). Both of those are clear candidates for a rewrite.

I don't think I saw the feminism one, but I think the truck driver interaction is pretty much as it should be. It establishes his character: his stance on racism isn't just based on his principles, it's personal. This is a theme that comes up later on a number of occasions. If anything it's out of character that he'll assess you favourably at the end if you did good police work even while being a raging neckbeard shitlord.

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The truck driver interaction is also something I've seen IRL more than once from my nonwhite friends or colleagues. They're touchy about this kind shit, having been subjected to it on a daily basis for years, and they are gonna come down on you hard if they're in a position of authority over you and you start coming up with the nignoglulz. Been at the receiving end of it myself a few times, sometimes fairly, sometimes less so.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

>when you play with high physical skills and partake in drug use

 

[Prime Junta]

>when you play with high physical skills and partake in drug use

HARD CORE!

 

[Optimist]

it is one of the top three best-written games ever.

What are the other two? PST, I assume, and...?

Why, isn't it obvious? I mean that other game that you really enjoy, and feel is amazingly written.

I just really didn't want to bring P:T up, so I went for the "best of three". Personally, it'd be hard for me to pick the third one out. Dunno, Sunless Sea? West of Loathing? 80 Days? Embric of Wulfhammer Castle? Jagged Alliance 2 did not have all that great of a story but was superbly written, with one sentence containing information some other games would need an entire paragraph to convey, and the way writing meshed with everything else.

So, where are the DLC/ expansions?

Behind the locked bunker doors.

Also: thanks for all the brofists!

 

[Heroic Liberator]

it is one of the top three best-written games ever.

What are the other two? PST, I assume, and...?

Why, isn't it obvious? I mean that other game that you really enjoy, and feel is amazingly written.

I just really didn't want to bring P:T up, so I went for the "best of three". Personally, it'd be hard for me to pick the third one out. Dunno, Sunless Sea? West of Loathing? 80 Days? Embric of Wulfhammer Castle? Jagged Alliance 2 did not have all that great of a story but was superbly written, with one sentence containing information some other games would need an entire page to convey, and the way writing meshed with everything else.

Sunless Sea? C'mon, it is as often boring purple prose as it is interesting and its mechanics make it into a borefest.

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That being said, what's your opinion on Sunless Skies?

 

[JarlFrank]

The instances where Kim starts moralizing to you do feel out of place.

I probably escaped the worst of them as I had internalized feminism, so in a couple of places I was forced to say out lines I didn't want to (and Kim would've probably interjected with those).

Well... thing is, Kim is kind of a moralist. If you get to know him and he likes you, he'll open up about it. He's quite touchy about some stuff -- like not being treated as Revacholian because he's ethnically Seol -- and women's rights. If you play as a racist shitlord he will get seriously pissed off at you. But it is consistent with the way the character is written. He's a really sympathetic character and I felt bad letting him down, but he is not a self-insert by any of the authors, nor intended to be a moral compass of any kind. In fact if you do follow his advice consistently you'll miss out on some of the best stuff in the game.

Kim didn't really approve of my racist shitlord ways, but he still liked me because of my successfull unconventional detective work, and because we bonded over liking cars.

 

[Egosphere]

The imagery, the texts, the voice actors quality, the game design, everything is a hundred times better than your mundane fnvs and poes.

Compare this:


To this:

Well, to make it an accurate comparison, let's compare the ending slides of Dead Money to the ending slides of Dis.. oh, never mind. I guess we'll have to settle for a Dean Domino vs Trant Heidelstam comparison then :D