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Incline Disco Elysium - The Final Cut - a hardboiled cop show isometric RPG
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It isn't original. I don't know why they didn't keep it though. Shouldn't take too much space.
However, I personally checked a few comparisons and decided that the new VO sounds a lot better and more professional. People who are butthurt about this probably don't know much about sound and recording. Baby duck syndrome may also be the case.
As for "Classic vs Psychological vs Full" it's really up to you. If you're playing alone you probably don't need a narrator, but again it's a personal preference.
However, I personally checked a few comparisons and decided that the new VO sounds a lot better and more professional. People who are butthurt about this probably don't know much about sound and recording. Baby duck syndrome may also be the case.
As for "Classic vs Psychological vs Full" it's really up to you. If you're playing alone you probably don't need a narrator, but again it's a personal preference.
Buy it for support of Disco Commies and then pirate the pre-director's cut version. The monocled choice.
Rieser
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If you dislike VO, do what AwesomeButton said. If you'd prefer VO (you degenerate) then simply get the Director's Cut and put it on full blast.
ExposedBrainMatter
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There isn't any. Sadly, DE is very flawed because they went all in on the presentation and flubbed the "gameplay", given your choices hardly matter at all. Not worth a second playthrough.
^^ This.
I have such a love-hate relationship with this game because of this. The choices mostly affect your character not the world around you, which does make it interesting, but kills the replayability for me, which I think is the staple of any great RPG.
That, and the fact that your entire body keeps commenting on stuff. While it was fun the first few times, I got really annoyed by it after a while. I don't give a fuck what my colon thinks about drinking this bottle of booze. You're a colon - go take a shit and stay out of my head.
fantadomat
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life and suffering of sir brante is better.
jackofshadows
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Harry does give a fuck.
Harthwain
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Truth to be told - this is the problem with all (or almost all) narrative-driven games: your choices are either illusory or very limited. And how many great RPGs are there that are not narrative-driven? Even heavily combat-oriented dungeon crawlers (such as Icewind Dale or Baldur's Gate) are strictly tied to their narrative and you don't really have any say in what locations are available to you or what choices you have.
I think it's great, because it provides you with character-subjective feedback. After all, your are heavily influenced by your body. If you have an inclination towards drinking (because you have a high stat responsible for addictions), then it stands to reason you will be tempted (or forced) to drink booze when you find it. Take that away and suddenly you have to find a reason (both narrative- and gameplay-wise) for your character to want to use and abuse potentially harmful, addictive substances.
That's a good point and something I liked. You can't change society or the world or the future. You change (or fail to change) Harry.
As I get older that's something I relate far more too. Finding peace, meaning and outgrowing your own demons and destructive impulses is ultimately the main concern of life not who becomes president or single-handedly reforming your own society.
The C&C of BG and ID was never a selling point of the series. And it's true that narrative-based RPGs are very beholden to the plot for the most part, which is why I think it should be the main focus of developers of such games, by trying to make the narrative more flexible.
Fair enough. I was just annoyed after a while because I spent a lot interaction with myself. It's definitely a more introverted RPG.
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True. It wasn't my intention to suggest that, which is why I called them "heavily combat-oriented dungeon crawlers". I mentioned them to point out that even such games are, as you put it yourself; "very beholden to the plot for the most part", even though "The C&C of BG and ID were never a selling point of the series".
Indeed. Keeping only the end and leaving the means to the player is how this should be done. That way the player can try and figure out how to accomplish his objective, without being forced into very specific, pre-determined routes. "Bring me item X" is the most basic example that comes to mind. The NPC shouldn't care about how you came by it, unless your reputation took a very serious hit in the process (you were seen committing a very serious crime. One that your task giver isn't willing to overlook. A murder, for example).
At this point the challenge lies in coming up with the system that accomodates such approach and generating tasks/quests for the player. If I recall Sui Generis was attempting to do something along these lines, but given how the developers of Sui Generis still didn't finish Exanima (the supposed prologue to Sui Generis) I am having my doubts about it ever seeing the light of day.
Rusty Eyes
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In case someone finds this useful. Here are the total number of checks for various Skills:
Empathy 805
Logic 701
Rhetoric 701
Inland Empire 584
Perception 479
Half Light 438
Conceptualization 430
Volition 412
Esprit de Corps 401
Electro-Chemistry 378
Encyclopedia 377
Suggestion 372
Reaction Speed 372
Authority 371
Drama 357
Composure 311
Shivers 278
Physical Instrument 252
Interfacing 243
Endurance 194
Pain Threshold 190
Visual Calculus 179
Savoir Faire 143
Hand-Eye Coordination 99
Logic 701
Rhetoric 701
Inland Empire 584
Perception 479
Half Light 438
Conceptualization 430
Volition 412
Esprit de Corps 401
Electro-Chemistry 378
Encyclopedia 377
Suggestion 372
Reaction Speed 372
Authority 371
Drama 357
Composure 311
Shivers 278
Physical Instrument 252
Interfacing 243
Endurance 194
Pain Threshold 190
Visual Calculus 179
Savoir Faire 143
Hand-Eye Coordination 99
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ExposedBrainMatter
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Interesting, where's this list from?
KVVRR
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No wonder people think the MOT stats are underdeveloped
Rusty Eyes
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My autism. I counted them.
Rusty Eyes
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It also confirms that Nationalism is underrepresented, since its Personality - Endurance - has much, much fewer checks than Empathy (Moderate) and Rhetoric (Communism).
ExposedBrainMatter
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KVVRR
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Savoir Faire's supposed to be the ultra lib one right? And it's almost dead last in there.
vota DC
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The endurance check to start inspecting the corpse isn't the same of the others endurance checks. Even more with Half Light you mostly get a couple of lines of comments and sometimes a useless but fun dialogue like when you insist telling that Garte is the murderer.
Heroic Liberator
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fantadomat
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You are alive bratle ?! I tought that you were taken in some gypso slave camp or shanked on a way for cigarettes. Anyway,good to see you alive and well.
SmoothPimp
Augur
Stuck on two side quests, want to know if I screwed them up or not.
Get two signatures for Ervart
Help Soona with her project.
If I haven't screwed up the quests yet (in the sense that there are options other than re-trying failed white checks), just say yes please without spoilers.
Get two signatures for Ervart
I took his quest, after a while I ended up in a fishing village. I went up to the washerwoman, she said that if I get a signature from Lilienne, she will sign it too. I got the signature from Lilienne, returned to the washerwoman, it turned out that she had trolled me all along and would not sign a shit. Skill Suggestion with a 17% chance failed, after which one of the skills hinted to me that I need to carefully examine the envelope in a secluded place. I looked at the zoning plan first in the shack near washerwoman, then in the hotel room, but nothing happened - just a textual description. Something else will eventually come up / can be done?
Help Soona with her project.
At the beginning of the game, I talked to the girl near the bookstore, she talked about the curse, then I've talked with her mother in the bookstore, she screamed that her daughter was talking nonsense and that's it. Then I approached the curtains, began to examine them, she immediately shouted not to touch them, I went through a dialogue with the Inland Empire and left the curtains alone. Then I took Soona's quest, went to check the main entrance of Doom Commercial Area, which was closed. Then I went to the bookstore - nothing new appeared in the dialogues with the owner, then I opened the curtains (the owner was hysterical), went into the room, there was a door with a check for Physical Instrument with 27% success cnahce.
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