Divinity Divinity: Original Sin 2 - Definitive Edition

[Jimmious]

What's wrong with initiative?

It is ALWAYS player-enemy-player-enemy regardless of stats. You only influence the order YOUR characters will go at and if you will start first or not.

 

[Blaine]

It is ALWAYS player-enemy-player-enemy regardless of stats. You only influence the order YOUR characters will go at and if you will start first or not.

So a bit like chess if you could move 4-5 pieces in one turn, eh?

Does that mean that 60 sloths with 1 Initiative each will go before my party of 4 with 15 + 10 + 12 + 19 = 56 Initiative? Is it party average?

 

[Jimmious]

It is ALWAYS player-enemy-player-enemy regardless of stats. You only influence the order YOUR characters will go at and if you will start first or not.

So a bit like chess if you could move 4-5 pieces in one turn, eh?

Does that mean that 60 sloths with 1 Initiative each will go before my party of 4 with 15+10+12+19 Initiative?

Let's say you have a party with 17-18-19-20 initiative and you fight a group of enemies with 1-2-3-4 initiative. The turn order will be(assuming more means faster):

20-4-19-3-18-2-17-1

 

[Blaine]

Let's say you have a party with 17-18-19-20 initiative and you fight a group of enemies with 1-2-3-4 initiative. The turn order will be(assuming more means faster):

20-4-19-3-18-2-17-1

Ohhhhhhhhh!

OH.

Oh....

 

[Jimmious]

Yeah it's utterly retarded. Basically there is no point in raising Initiative on characters apart from the one you want to always act first..

 

[Cyberarmy]

A turn based RPG where initiative is a dump stat, what a time to live in...

 

[Blaine]

Yeah it's utterly retarded. Basically there is no point in raising Initiative on characters apart from the one you want to always act first..

If you hadn't explained it to me as though I were five years old, I would never have understood it (without additional experience in-game), because despite having read nearly one hundred tabletop RPG core rulebooks and played God knows how many cRPGs over the decades, this is something entirely beyond my experience.

 

[Roguey]

Ohhhhhhhhh!

OH.

Oh....

What's funnier is that if you kill the enemy who was supposed to go next, the next enemy in line bumps up until the point where you outnumber them.

 

[MicoSelva]

What's funnier is that if you kill the enemy who was supposed to go next, the next enemy in line bumps up until the point where you outnumber them.

Is this shit for real? Suddenly I am having Banner Saga PTSD relapse.

 

[Blaine]

I can't recall the last time my mind was well and truly blown by the implementation of a game mechanic. This may even be the first time.

The last time my mind was blown this hard was when I watched a blurry CCTV video from somewhere in Latin America. Two men were arguing. One of them was holding a baby that had to be under a year old. The other man wound up and very deliberately punched the baby, delivering a solid haymaker that knocked the poor kiddo up and almost out of the dad's arms. After that, the scene turned to chaos.

I just couldn't believe what I was seeing. This is punch-a-baby levels of mindblowing.

 

[Cyberarmy]

What's funnier is that if you kill the enemy who was supposed to go next, the next enemy in line bumps up until the point where you outnumber them.

Or someone new enters the scene and game screws turn order over and over.

 

[Darth Roxor]

What's funnier is that if you kill the enemy who was supposed to go next, the next enemy in line bumps up until the point where you outnumber them.

Is this shit for real? Suddenly I am having Banner Saga PTSD relapse.

It's all real.

Sounds like that Darth Roxor review is actually more necessary than I'd thought.

 

[catfood]

The last patch reset the fog of war. Thanks, Obama! :mrpresident:

 

[Darth Roxor]

I can't recall the last time my mind was well and truly blown by the implementation of a game mechanic. This may even be the first time.

i know right, my reaction was fairly similar

friendly reminder that otoh 370 out of 638 people who participated in the goty voting found that not to be an issue at all

 

[Kem0sabe]

i know right, my reaction was fairly similar

friendly reminder that otoh 370 out of 638 people who participated in the goty voting found that not to be an issue at all

360 of those 370 never even reached the third map...

 

[Darth Roxor]

i know right, my reaction was fairly similar

friendly reminder that otoh 370 out of 638 people who participated in the goty voting found that not to be an issue at all

360 of those 370 never even reached the third map...

and a similar percentage of these are still breathing using only their mouths

 

[Jimmious]

It's also possible that the game is better than all the other shit despite the initiative system. You know, better than for a example a game where you fight stuff by circling around them and hopping around with your jetpack. Initiative suddenly seems like a small issue compared to that

 

[Darth Roxor]

i would say its roughly about as big an issue if not even bigger

 

[Jimmious]

i would say its roughly about as big an issue if not even bigger

I know you would but apparently the majority doesn't.. Anyway I agree that it sucks

 

[Darth Roxor]

I know you would but apparently the majority doesn't.

spoiler:

because the majority doesnt even have a clue the initiative system is broken

nobody noticed it in this very thread until i barged in with righteous fury back in the day, and that was a time when people were already prouncing through the reaper's coast

 

[Jimmious]

because the majority doesnt even have a clue the initiative system is broken

I don't think it matters so much to everyone simply... Also I wouldn't call it broken, because sadly it's how it is intentionally. So, retarded is a better term

 

[Darth Roxor]

I don't think it matters so much to everyone simply...

because they are clueless and play the game (or in fact their games) on autopilot

oo pretty grafixx and turn-based combat, 10/10 goty :^)

 

[Sjukob]

I finally bought this game

Oh boy...

 

[MadMaxHellfire]

I know you would but apparently the majority doesn't.

spoiler:

because the majority doesnt even have a clue the initiative system is broken

nobody noticed it in this very thread until i barged in with righteous fury back in the day, and that was a time when people were already prouncing through the reaper's coast

i thought that other than the rogue/ranger all the others had the same initiative so they took turns... i've never been so wrong.
damn, it royally sucks.

 

[Jezal_k23]

I don't think the game even properly explains how initiative works... that's why nobody knows. It's so obscure.

Do we have any idea why they decided for it to work this way? It's so puzzling.