DOOM Eternal - the sequel to the 2016 reboot - now with The Ancient Gods DLC

[Jezal_k23]

In Nightmare, spamming Glory Kills tends to get you killed right right after (or as a friend of mine alleges--during)

Just want to point out that this is objectively incorrect. Your friend is wrong. Getting killed during a glory kill is impossible, as id itself has said before:



As we know, this doesn't mean GKs are a good idea to use in higher difficulties, especially when your health is high. Low health is the one and only reason you should use them, because it recovers a lot more health in such cases. And they should still be used strategically, so you don't come out of a GK surrounded. That's the main thing that gets people killed.

Also one important thing - since the player is invincible during a glory kill, you can use it to purposefully negate any damage you receive during the animation, from an incoming projectile you noticed for instance. I've managed to use GKs before to nullify damage from an Imp's fireball, for example.

 

[sullynathan]

Just want to point out that this is objectively incorrect. Your friend is wrong. Getting killed during a glory kill is impossible, as id itself has said before:

He means right after the kill happens. You are invincible during the animation but there is no invicibility after the animation ends, so any demons or projectile already mid-animation will in fact still hit you because most of the time you won't be able to get away.

It seems like the "combat pause" talked in the video, doesn't extend to attacks started before the glory kill and only those done after the glory kill has started. A lot of games that have this damage then execute style combat (40K Space marine, God of War) have this flaw.

 

[Durandal]

In Nightmare, spamming Glory Kills tends to get you killed right right after (or as a friend of mine alleges--during)

Just want to point out that this is objectively incorrect. Your friend is wrong. Getting killed during a glory kill is impossible, as id itself has said before:



As we know, this doesn't mean GKs are a good idea to use in higher difficulties, especially when your health is high. Low health is the one and only reason you should use them, because it recovers a lot more health in such cases. And they should still be used strategically, so you don't come out of a GK surrounded. That's the main thing that gets people killed.

Also one important thing - since the player is invincible during a glory kill, you can use it to purposefully negate any damage you receive during the animation, from an incoming projectile you noticed for instance. I've managed to use GKs before to nullify damage from an Imp's fireball, for example.

I've actually linked that video with the exact same timestamp to him after he said that, but he claims what the developers said didn't line up with his experiences, so who knows.
You can technically use the Glory Kill's invincibility to nullify attacks, but usually it's just easier to simply move out of the way. Moreover it's rarely worth the risk of being temporarily blinded to your surroundings.

 

[Deakul]

I'd say that the developers know what they're talking about, something tells me that your friend just needs to learn to read the room before GKing.

 

[Jaedar]

But are they going to make it a regular fps instead of an arena shooter with 8 enemy limit and constant micro-interruptions ?

Probably not.

 

[Jezal_k23]

But are they going to make it a regular fps instead of an arena shooter with 8 enemy limit and constant micro-interruptions ?

Probably not.

I believe the enemy limit in Doom 2016's campaign is 15 monsters, not 8:



That said, now that the Doom Slayer is a lot faster and more lethal, this limit is likely to have increased in the sequel, but no one has exact numbers yet.

 

[JDR13]

I believe the enemy limit in Doom 2016's campaign is 15 monsters, not 8

That's still pathetically low for a Doom game.


It's also kind of odd considering how well optimized the game was. I feel like it could have easily handled more than that.

 

[OctavianRomulus]

I believe the enemy limit in Doom 2016's campaign is 15 monsters, not 8

That's still pathetically low for a Doom game.


It's also kind of odd considering how well optimized the game was. I feel like it could have easily handled more than that.

Sure it is when compared to the majority of PWADS but it's not so low when you compare it to Doom 1, which is what it's largely based on. Besides, the balancing of the game prevents absurd amounts of monsters. Most demons are individually a lot more dangerous and agile than their classic counterparts so having 50 at a time would overwhelm the player. Now I would like to see more, especially towards the end of the game but I don't think more than 20 at a time is necessary.

But are they going to make it a regular fps instead of an arena shooter with 8 enemy limit and constant micro-interruptions ?

Probably not.

Well Hugo mentioned they were going to adress the complaints about the arenas. The want to make arenas less obvious and one of their main goals is to make combat between them more interesting. Whether they succeed or not remains to be seen but he seems like an honest guy so I am inclined to believe him.

 

[Jezal_k23]

Yeah the classic maps are mostly broken due to how much stronger most enemies are now.

I believe the enemy limit in Doom 2016's campaign is 15 monsters, not 8

That's still pathetically low for a Doom game.


It's also kind of odd considering how well optimized the game was. I feel like it could have easily handled more than that.

I do hope Eternal increases the limit.

 

[Morgoth]

 

[Belegarsson]

Watched a 7 minutes footage. Graphics look... weird. The visual is schizophrenically busy yet lacking in atmosphere at the same time.

 

[Morgoth]

Everything is a mess in this game. The graphics, enemy visibility, the UI, the soundscape. Full ADHD mayhem.

 

[Jezal_k23]

If anything it does look like the enemy limit is gone. The combat sequences have an overwhelming amount of stuff going on in them.

 

[Luzur]

DOOM ETERNAL Gameplay Walkthrough Part 1

Perk points confirmed

 

[tritosine2k]

It just looks lightmapped with subpar particle fx.. More to do with UT than classic doom by the looks of it.

 

[Niklasgunner]

Looks faster paced, enemies are more agressive, it looks fun. But it doesn't copy a game from 20 years ago thus baaad

 

[Sukhāvatī]

 

[Bigg Boss]

It's great to see so many esteemed RPG fans slurping on Doom Decline like it's worthy of lengthy debate. It just goes to show no matter how elite you think you are, you still end up eating shit at the end of the day just like everyone else.

 

[DalekFlay]

Sure it is when compared to the majority of PWADS but it's not so low when you compare it to Doom 1, which is what it's largely based on.

A lot of people compare every Doom product to the crazier levels from Doom 2 or all the add-on WADs and such. If you play the first episode of the original Doom, which was the shareware release everyone played back in the day, it's much more slow-paced with a more horror vibe a lot of the time. I still would say Doom 3 went in a more survival horror direction, but if you compare it to the original shareware episode it's muuuuuuuch closer than people act like it is. Slower with dark rooms and such at first, then more and more chaotic as it goes.

Even Doom 2016's frequent arena battle sections have some semblance of similarity to big "monster rooms" in the original episodes.

 

[sullynathan]

One thing I picked up was that they removed crouch and the pistol because the shotgun is default, not that I care because I never used them.



The graphics look good, stop lying.

 

[Biscotti]

Even more emphasis on GKs and storyfaggotry

 

[Curratum]

I love how they're tripping over themselves to sell the game to the old guard, to people like me, but I feel absolutely no excitement watching this.

 

[OctavianRomulus]

I also got the impression that there would be a lot more interruptions but one of the videos (forgot which one) mentioned that it was actually a lot more infrequent. I guess we'll see when it comes out.

Aside from GKs, I am a bit ambivalent about the art. One one hand, the hell sections really really capture that Doom feeling but on the other, it's a bit indulgent and I am sure that is intentional but the game could make use of some negative space. I think that after a certain point, more detail does not really make the game better. Everything is too round and beveled and has too much noise. It feels like they have an army of really talented artists who don't know when to stop. To me, the beauty of Id games comes more from the overall silhouette of the levels and using textures in new and inventive ways, not necessarily from adding more and more details. I kind of miss the spartan beauty of OG Doom and Arcane Dimensions. Not saying they need to copy those styles, but maybe they could learn a bit from them.

I feel like the first half of Doom 2016 had the right amount of detail, especially the second level. Sometimes less is more, especially when it comes to Doom.

 

[Unkillable Cat]

 

[JDR13]

I believe the enemy limit in Doom 2016's campaign is 15 monsters, not 8

That's still pathetically low for a Doom game.


It's also kind of odd considering how well optimized the game was. I feel like it could have easily handled more than that.

Sure it is when compared to the majority of PWADS but it's not so low when you compare it to Doom 1, which is what it's largely based on. Besides, the balancing of the game prevents absurd amounts of monsters. Most demons are individually a lot more dangerous and agile than their classic counterparts so having 50 at a time would overwhelm the player. Now I would like to see more, especially towards the end of the game but I don't think more than 20 at a time is necessary.

I'd say it's loosely based on Doom 1 rather than largely. Still, if you go by the average number of monsters at any given time, the difference is significant.

I'm not saying it needs to match the numbers from the original games though. I'd just like to see at least slightly more monsters on screen and spread out more realistically as opposed to the arena style.