DOOM Eternal - the sequel to the 2016 reboot - now with The Ancient Gods DLC

[sullynathan]

You'll notice users pointing their disdain for air dashes but refusing to tell you why they're bad.

Because it's a shortcut that's supposed to replace good level design - the entire "you make your own fun the way you want it!" mentality, as opposed to a solid, structured, controlled design. It's to shooters what "sandbox" is to RPGs.

I know you don't believe this tripe you just typed.

 

[Durandal]

You'll notice users pointing their disdain for air dashes but refusing to tell you why they're bad.

Because it's a shortcut that's supposed to replace good level design - the entire "you make your own fun the way you want it!" mentality, as opposed to a solid, structured, controlled design. It's to shooters what "sandbox" is to RPGs.

How do new movement abilities replace good level design? Given all the new mid-air platforming challenges that require you to use dashing, it doesn't seem like it's something they just tacked on willy-nilly.

Because I'm sure I will be able to break at least as many encounters and battles with it as I will find designed challenges that use it.

The dashes don't move you that far and are on a cooldown, and the lead dev went on record saying how they added dashing in in the first year of Eternal's development and how it broke the game and made it boring, so they had to rebalance everything around the dashes to make it not so broken. Moreover, the dashes aren't really making my speedrunner senses tingle. They just move you a fixed distance instead of actually letting you maintain your increased momentum.

 

[Jezal_k23]

You'll notice users pointing their disdain for air dashes but refusing to tell you why they're bad.

Because it's a shortcut that's supposed to replace good level design - the entire "you make your own fun the way you want it!" mentality, as opposed to a solid, structured, controlled design. It's to shooters what "sandbox" is to RPGs.

I know you don't believe this tripe you just typed.

Yeah I don't understand it either. Why does dash replace good level design? Does double jumping replace good level design? What about climbing ledges? A good movement system is somehow bad because it "replaces" good level design? That just makes no sense whatsoever. I'm completely blown away by just how incoherent that was.

 

[Deakul]

Just typical codexians getting mad over complete non-issues.

Much like how everyone here seems to hate the incredible soundtrack just because it's too gut bustingly metal.

 

[Curratum]

I don't think I need to explain the subtleties of FPS level design to plebs but I expected someone with a Blood avatar to know better.

 

[DJOGamer PT]

It's to shooters what "sandbox" is to RPGs.

Sandbox is synonymous with a design philosophy that focuses on player agency and liberating gameplay. Which is a good thing for RPG's...

 

[Jezal_k23]

Well it seems obvious to me that you design your levels around your protagonist's movement abilities. More freedom of movement equals more verticality and the need for more dynamic levels that explore abilities such as climbing or dashing. It looks to me like they have done that, to an extent that will probably actually annoy a lot of people due to the extensive platforming sections and challenges that they have added to Eternal.

 

[DalekFlay]

Yeah I don't understand it either. Why does dash replace good level design? Does double jumping replace good level design? What about climbing ledges? A good movement system is somehow bad because it "replaces" good level design? That just makes no sense whatsoever. I'm completely blown away by just how incoherent that was.

It's because the original Dooms did not have it, therefore it is bad for nuDoom. That's how most of this thread has gone. People stuck in the past, which could be the RPG Codex battle cry, to be fair.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Rated retarded because you are fucking retarded.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Muh story

10 seconds in and i can already tell the story is fucking shit.

Everything has to be bland and generic nowadays, no exceptions, not once, and yet we STILL have to be shoved this "cinematic" bullshit down our throat, even in a game which made it a point that the story didn't fucking matter and nobody wanted to hear it.

 

[Yosharian]

Muh story

10 seconds in and i can already tell the story is fucking shit.

Everything has to be bland and generic nowadays, no exceptions, not once, and yet we STILL have to be shoved this "cinematic" bullshit down our throat, even in a game which made it a point that the story didn't fucking matter and nobody wanted to hear it.

I'm fucking stunned that id managed to learn nothing from DOOM 2016's success, from a storytelling point of view. They should have grasped that we want less retarded storylines (angels and devils talking to DOOMGUY? What is this, Skyrim?), mind-numbing & immersion-breaking third-person cutscenes, DOOMGUY's face reflected in his visor, this is screaming loudly to me that id have once again started smelling their own farts.

 

[Deakul]

That's kind of what just about everyone wanted.

I know I wanted it to involve angels somehow because it'd be as metal as fuck exactly the way that they're doing it.

The entire game is a god damned 80s metal album cover.

 

[Yosharian]

That's kind of what just about everyone wanted.

I know I wanted it to involve angels somehow because it'd be as metal as fuck exactly the way that they're doing it.

Shut the fuck up normie.

 

[Lyric Suite]

That's kind of what just about everyone wanted.

I know I wanted it to involve angels somehow because it'd be as metal as fuck exactly the way that they're doing it.

The entire game is a god damned 80s metal album cover.

The original was, not this pile of shit.

Fucking Zoomer developers don't know shit about anything.

 

[Deakul]

That's kind of what just about everyone wanted.

I know I wanted it to involve angels somehow because it'd be as metal as fuck exactly the way that they're doing it.

The entire game is a god damned 80s metal album cover.

The original was, not this pile of shit.

Fucking Zoomer developers don't know shit about anything.

Alright dude.

 

[Multi-headed Cow]

That's actually pretty great. The modern Doom equivalent of

 

[soulburner]

Just typical codexians getting mad over complete non-issues.

Much like how everyone here seems to hate the incredible soundtrack just because it's too gut bustingly metal.

I hate the soundtrack for being a victim of the loudness war. That for whatever reason, someone, somewhere decided metal music should be loud as fuck to even distort the medium it's stored on. The Doom soundtrack makes my ears feel like each sound is pumping my eardrum. It's not because of the characteristics of the music itself, it's because each and every sound begs for attention - the drums are not an additional instrument, they are fighting with the guitars and other electronic shit for being the number one.

When I play the soundtrack on my laptop speakers, I like the tracks themselves. When I start up my audiophile audio system all I hear is a total lack of dynamics associated with music, I hear distortion, because to make the music so loud you not only sacrifice the dynamics, you create clipping errors. Something any audio editing software will show you in red, just so you know this needs fixing. And no, industrial metal is not supposed to be causing clipping errors. You want distortion? Sure, you go ahead. But you don't fucking create a mix that your software is yelling at you to fucking fix it.

Then there's the thing of Doom 2016s audio itself which has the exact same problem, where an explosion is as loud as a broken light with sparks coming out of it. Where the ambience is hard to distinguish between an imp. I hope they fixed it even just a little bit in Eternal and I'm yet to hear one of the gameplay videos on something else than my Thinkpad speakers which sound way worse than a cheap mobile phone

PS - one more thing to note. There are people who do not care about the loudness war at all. They seem to ignore it completely and not hear the issues even when they are told to look for them. That's fine. That also means artists should not fight the loudness war, because it has no benefits. Loud records don't sell better. Loud records sound softer on platforms like Spotify which use a ReplayGain-like solution to lower the volume of loud tracks so that they don't kill you after you just listened a properly mastered, softer song. FM radio stations use their own dynamics processors to level the volume of all songs, your loud track will not stand out. There is no reason for the loudness war at all.

PS2 - yes, I know this is a rant that is kind of out of place here, but I got triggered :D

 

[JDR13]

I find the BGM too loud in most games to be honest. One of the first things I usually do is reduce it by around 50% depending on the game.

 

[DJOGamer PT]

I think this one is much better.

 

[Curratum]

I think this one is much better.

 

[OctavianRomulus]

I remember that Quake 3 concept art. It's really good.

 

[Lyric Suite]

That's kind of what just about everyone wanted.

I know I wanted it to involve angels somehow because it'd be as metal as fuck exactly the way that they're doing it.

The entire game is a god damned 80s metal album cover.

The original was, not this pile of shit.

Fucking Zoomer developers don't know shit about anything.

Alright dude.

Looks like the cover of a second rate metal band from the 2010s trying to emulate metal from the 80s. Dime a dozen of those lmao.

 

[DalekFlay]

I hate the soundtrack for being a victim of the loudness war. That for whatever reason, someone, somewhere decided metal music should be loud as fuck to even distort the medium it's stored on. The Doom soundtrack makes my ears feel like each sound is pumping my eardrum.

Jesus Christ, are you guys actively trying to sound like Grandpa Simpson?

 

[Durandal]

 

[JDR13]

Is that supposed to be the homoerotic version or something?