Dota 2 Discussion (~Boston Majors & Road to TI7~)

[Damned Registrations]

Like I mentioned earlier, he fucks certain heroes pretty hard but gets rather fucked by others. Also, invis automatically shoves him further into the pub end of the hero pool, since any decent players will just buy a gem or dust and his survivability will drop massively.

He's definitely fun to play though, and I'm glad he's in the hero pool now. By the time you hit level 16 and have a diffusal you're a scary bastard to fight if the enemy doesn't have some serious AoE.

 

[kingcomrade22]

PL is a jew hero for jewbags. He will feed off of one of your retarded teammates and go godlike even though the PL player is terrible and deserves to lose. He's like Spirit Breaker and Huskar like that.

 

[Damned Registrations]

Technically Huskar can just feed off the jungle and rosh and shit once he gets lifesteal. Way more useful than spirit breaker in that regard. He's still a pub hero, but less because he'll murder clueless twits like an invis hero or bloodseeker or whatever, and more because nobody is going to control your jungle and keep and eye on rosh and the ancients.

 

[Rpgsaurus Rex]

Watching people fastpick PL in pubs is hilarious. A hero that needs 45 min farm to carry, come on. Easy to gank with dust. Easy to counter (AoE, invis reveal). No utility to his team without farm. Only thing I hope for every time is that PL picker is on the other team...

He doesn't fit at all into the early pressure/ganking/pushing playstyle at a high level either. (until we see buffs to turtling heroes/strats)

 

[kingcomrade22]

Spirit Breaker is probably the most jewish of the jewbag heroes. He's about finding quishy supports who are alone in a lane (no matter how far you need to die), charging in and mask of madness-ing, then running away.

I just fucking hate him so much. Besides techies, Spirit Breaker is probably the hero I hate the most goddamn much in this game. I almost always play support/gankers like lich and lion and Cm and AA and so on. That's generally a good idea. But when your team is fucking clinkz weaver rikimaru sniper, who the fuck can deal with a spirit breaker who got BKB? Who ALWAYS goes for the easy support hero kill first? Spirit Breaker and Huskar with BKB are just so damn powerful. Then your retard horrible teammates go "GG LICH IS 3-8"

I'm pissed off for a number of reasons, one of which being a game I just played with my friends. 9-3 Slardar around midgame. Fucking feeders, fucking failures, retards who didn't know how to play their heroes, a horribad syllabear afk farming in the jungle who did nothing ever the entire game. My ELO must be absolutely horrible. Why can't the terrible players be on the enemy team? they never are.

 

[Damned Registrations]

My favourite part is when they start telling you how awful you are because of your deaths and items. Yes, clearly the guy playing CM who bought courier, wards, and tp scrolls for every team fight and death is a much worse player than that bitchin' Enigma with a 30 minute Radiance/phase boots that farmed both the jungle and lane the whole time without ever taking a tower or defending one. The CM is just dying more often because he's bad, not because he keeps showing up to team fights and spends time warding and ganking instead of farming.

One of the most aggravating things about playing in pubs is not knowing what giant cockups your team will make. If I knew they'd never buy wards or courier, I can do that myself. If I knew they'd never win mid, I can do that pretty reliably. If I knew they couldn't last hit and farm worth shit on a carry, I can do that too. If I knew they were too stupid or cowardly to initiate team fights or push towers, I can fill those roles. But there's no fucking hero in the game flexible enough to do everything, and even if there was, you can't do it all at once. It's not until 20 minutes in when you realize you should have picked a hero that can farm the jungle or crushed a sidelane better or whatever, and by then it's too late to do anything. Even a team of shitty players would be better than a random set of less shitty players, just because you can plan around them.

 

[Metro]

Heavy is the head that wears the crown.

 

[kingcomrade22]

I was playing with my friends, one of whom is inconsistently horribad. (normally if me and one of my other friends do well at ganking and so on, he gets megafed, but if he is required to pull any weight he will fail). He convinced me to do Ursa + SK level 1 roshan, and he almost fucked it up by dying. He took aegis, then proceeded to piss it away by charging the enemy. it's always baffling to watch him play, his decision making process never ever makes sense

 

[Malakal]

I have a friend like that too ie horribad but at least his mission in dota seems to be supporting and he sticks to it at all cost. Doesnt help that he wont even right click when playing supports but well, he tries. Nothing worse than wannabe carries times 4 in the team.

 

[kingcomrade22]

This guy plays carry every single game. Syllabear, Clinkz, Sniper are his most played heroes (techies is his most played in dota 1).

 

[Damned Registrations]

I feel like that hint about tp scrolls needs to be about 50 times larger and flashing neon. I mean, it took me a while to catch on to how important that shit is when I first started, but nobody told me fuck all and dota was like 1/10th this popular back then. Now you can't go 3 clicks on a dota webpage without finding a noob tutorial and the importance of tp scrolls, wards, couriers and last hitting are very common knowledge. So why the fuck is every 2nd player assuming none of that matters at all, even when told otherwise by their entire team.

 

[kingcomrade22]

It's sad Dota 2 isn't that popular on the Codex, then again actual elitist taste in games disappeared a long time ago. Better play some more League of Legends

 

[Zed]

we are up to 4 people playing it daily.
me, meh, Humppaleka, and.. uh.. meh's non-english speaking friends! and sometimes a friend of mine joins as well. and there's someone else too but I don't know if he's a codexer or not.

 

[Multi-headed Cow]

I play a little bit, but you guys take it much too seriously for me. I typically only play when I'm playing with another bro and we're sharing a lane together and smiting foes and being jolly.

MHC's face while playing DotA2:

Kingcomrade's face while playing DotA2:

 

[Damned Registrations]

I won some huskar games for you kc. God those are fun. I think I might actually just play him for a good long while, unless I know I'm with competent people.

 

[Metro]

I play a little bit, but you guys take it much too seriously for me. I typically only play when I'm playing with another bro and we're sharing a lane together and smiting foes and being jolly.

MHC's face while playing DotA2:

Kingcomrade's face while playing DotA2:

This.

 

[Damned Registrations]

People are like that about video games in general, especially online where you don't have to meet the people you embarrass yourself in front of ever again. Some people treat it like a game of Go Fish and don't give a fuck, other people treat it like a contest, the way people tend to treat physical sports.

 

[Metro]

Yep, I'm a fairly casual bro with little in the way of twitch skills. Stuff like TF2 is fine because it's 12 on 12 and doesn't require a huge amount of coordination. DOTA, though, obviously does and ratchets up the individual skill floor required with only five people on a team. It's a fun game but that's why I mostly play with friends against bots or friends against friends when there's enough -- I don't know (nor do I really have a huge desire to learn) a lot of the minutia like the good hiding spots for ganks, safe teleports, mastering the art of last hits/denials, etc. And God help us if you relied on me to perform some timed gank where I had to use a force staff. Best I can do is hit my Black King Bar and wade into the fray!

 

[Damned Registrations]

I can see why people would be happy playing the game that way. But on the other side of the fence, the higher skilled games are a totally different animal, and it's infuriating when people don't play anywhere remotely close to your skill level. It'd be like watching a guy on your team score on your own net while playing hockey. Even if you ostensibly want to have fun, that shit would draw out some rage.

 

[Damned Registrations]

Found out how the hero ranking thing works. It ranks heroes based on their relative awesomeness, not your skilla t playing them.

 

[kingcomrade22]

Huskar is such a broken hero against people who pick bad heroes and don't know how to play. He's one of those heroes who can just completely buttfuck a team if they don't know how to deal with someone like him.

In pub games, at a normal relatively low skill level, a STR team is pretty impossible to beat. Nightstalker, Beastmaster, Spirit Breaker, Skeleton King/Naix/Chaos Knight, Huskar. They've all got disables, tons of tank, and in pubs nobody gives a shit if they're all melee. They're just all too hard to kill for an uncoordinated team. In Dota 1 my friends and I would do that a ton. Centaur, Ogre Fagi, Chaos Knight, Huskar, etc.

Once Ogre Magi is introduced I probably won't play any other hero most of the time. He was my favorite in Dota 1, even more so than Shadow Demon. He's a tanky support hero who nukes. Like, right now I can only play Jakiro if I want that, and playing Jakiro pisses me off to where I shoot vomit from my eyeballs because he handles like the Bismarck.

Metro, you should just play. The things you need to know are just try to last hit, get a sense for when you're about to get ganked, pick heroes who have disable or teamfight spells. Always be doing SOMETHING productive, that's basically it. If there's nothing to do, nowhere to gank, nothing to push, just farm. The game is honestly not very hard, there's a lot to know about it but the game itself, once you know that stuff, is not hard unless you're retarded.

I got to play Rikimaru yesterday. I was last to pick, and nobody picked a carry. I was gonna pick Mirana, but then one of my friends said "pick Riki" and I did. I had some ridiculous score, 15-0 or something. That's the thing, carries should be played by people who know what they're doing.

 

[Metro]

I can see why people would be happy playing the game that way. But on the other side of the fence, the higher skilled games are a totally different animal, and it's infuriating when people don't play anywhere remotely close to your skill level. It'd be like watching a guy on your team score on your own net while playing hockey. Even if you ostensibly want to have fun, that shit would draw out some rage.

Oh I totally understand. And I do actually probably watch as many matches as I play because it is fairly entertaining to see two good teams go against each other.

Metro, you should just play. The things you need to know are just try to last hit, get a sense for when you're about to get ganked, pick heroes who have disable or teamfight spells. Always be doing SOMETHING productive, that's basically it. If there's nothing to do, nowhere to gank, nothing to push, just farm. The game is honestly not very hard, there's a lot to know about it but the game itself, once you know that stuff, is not hard unless you're retarded.

Well, I'm not that bad. I know enough to pick a support hero and build things like Drums of Endurance and possibly Mekanism or Pipe of Insight, etc. It's really just the community in general. Some people are okay but others can be total jackasses.

 

[Damned Registrations]

The thing about Huskar that really makes him a great noob killer (and most heroes with lifesteal for that matter, like bloodseeker or Lifestealer or any hard carry with a helm of the dominator or vlads) is that inexperienced players are terrible at judging whether or not they can kill someone with a combo of their skills./survive the enemy. So they tend to just rush in and blindly dogpile anyone they come across the first several times (or dozen times if they're really awful). Huskar is great at luring in people by being at 40% health but being able to survive low amounts of burst damage and then leech/regen back up before the spells come off cooldown. Half my kill streaks with him are obtained at under 200 hp because someone didn't realize their spells/attacks wouldn't kill me, but merely almost kill me and let me finish them off and heal up before another moron walks in.

A good player can gauge how much hp/armor you have and actually combo you to death without letting you touch them. A good huskar player otoh, enters the fights with exactly enough hp to survive the spells and then attack while getting the most benefit from the passive. And then you rape a tower with +80 dmg/120% attack speed. That's like having a butterfly and a half and you get it at level 7 for free, at the laughable cost of your worthless hp.

Also, nobody ever gets blademail. This item is pretty much a dirt cheap hard counter to huskar. He can't do jack shit to someone wearing that and can easily be killed before it wears off if it's on a hero with decent output.

Edit: One of my recent games had me starting Roshan (as in actually damaging him) at 7:18. I could have done it even faster if I'd cs'd and microed a bit better ( I picked up the smoke about 30 seconds after I was ready to go in). That is just insane no matter how you slice it. I mean, ursa can technically do it faster if he's got total freefarm, but thats hard to do on ursa vs a competent lane. He's got no way to harass a ranged hero. Huskar shits all over almost anyone mid if you play him well. The only way to make him lose mid is to gank him early or use QoP. I can't think of anyone else that can realistically fuck with him. The heroes that can burst him when he's low enough to have cs control with his crazy damage don't have any way to get close. And you can't break the sustain of his Q + ~200 gold of consumables using heroes that can harass him reliably. QoP is the only one that can do both the sustained harass at low cost without losing her own hp and the burst to finish him off.

Obviously in a proper match they'd just gank you a couple times. Once your opponent has a level advantage things look grim for huskar.

 

[Pope Amole II]

I mean, ursa can technically do it faster if he's got total freefarm, but thats hard to do on ursa vs a competent lane.

Ursa can do it earlier by simply jungling - saw it on a Dread's stream this week, he picked that hero, went straight into the jungle and farmed trolls & satyrs & stuff until he got his vlads up and level 6 or 7, then smoked up, walked into the roshan's pit and killed the old bugger. Well, i think it was earlier than a 7th minute, I don't remember it that well.

BTW, Darer picked huskar today vs Na'Vi and, boy, what a troll pick that was! Unsuccessful troll, though - they didn't even bother to pick a shadow shaman or omniknight to support him so he spent all of the game being completely useless. Well, of course Darer's bad fights in the early game, pointless deaths and stuff were also a factor in him being useless, but if your carry can't carry you from a near loss vicinity then what's the point in it?

 

[Damned Registrations]

Just noticed Huskar actually has a faster animation than most heroes too. Only 1.6 vs 1.7 (AM gets 1.45) but still a nice hidden perk most people aren't aware of.

Also re: Rosh; my last game I actually went into the pit at 6:40 and left at 7:50. Would have been even sooner but we had no courier so I had to tp back then head to the jungle then to the rosh pit. Though I did get lucky that the first camp had a suitable monster. Satyrs are kind of shitty since they can't slow the damage you take at all. Although, if you get there early enough (like before 6 minutes) you might be able to make do with one, since Rosh will be a bit weaker. Still kind of risky if you get bashed too much though.