Dota 2 Discussion (~Boston Majors & Road to TI7~)

[Greatness]

Lmao the forgotten rapier.

I wanna see the tiny TP to creep chen sendback hittong throne 1 chunk at a time.

 

[Ninjerk]

This game is so fucking clowny. Refresher Axe used to get a Divine Rapier off Shadowfiend. S4 grabs the Rapier and gets killed in the middle trees and apparently VG never saw that he had it. Still on the ground.

 

[Ninjerk]

Speechless.

 

[Great Deceiver]

holy fucking shit what a game.

 

[Great Deceiver]

WD was the hero of that game, also Black's Satanic at that final fight - if he didn't get that off, game would have been over.

 

[Greatness]

Yeah, WD and WR carried their teams so hard. The VG draft made tiny so useless other than just ratting.

 

[Luckra]

Best game on the tournament so far. How long until WD mjollnir and Axe refresher become a thing in pubs?

 

[Great Deceiver]

happening right now.

 

[Ninjerk]

VG just rolled Secret.

"Three-two-two ziggurat" - Lumi 2015

 

[Greatness]

I think all of those wins were very smart drafts. The damage reduction against tiny/wisp, then the shadowdemon counter to bristleback. If they really did misclick in the Game2 draft like LD said then that explains things. Puppey playing a jungler every game is a bit too predictable.

EG vs BigGod should be a great series too. EG's Supernova/Overgrowth/March of Machines draft yesterday was the coolest thing I've seen in awhile.

 

[Ninjerk]

BTW, who is Zorak? I thought it was another rando third-worlder friending me to get my Ember DRs, but I see they've played 40ish hours of Underrail.

 

[polo]

It's me, tho i am a third-worlder.

 

[Ninjerk]

 

[polo]

Also, i could use some Ember DRs

 

[Great Deceiver]

This is the tournament of base races - this game between Rave and IG was a showcase for sheepstick. IMO the antimage played really badly and Ferrari's Invoker had too little impact. Props to Rave though, Medusa won flat out against 2 counter heroes. Good decisionmaking at the end too.

 

[Mr. Pink]

I can't believe VG are even considering kicking Black^. He's the reason why they've gotten this far, and at least top 5 best pos 1 players in the world... If anything, they need to replace Super with a mid that's actually good. It's also so fucking unfair that B-god is moving into IG. He doesn't deserve such a shitty team.

Chinese Dream Team 1: fy, fenrir, ferarri 430, iceiceice, black

Chinese Dream Team 2: lanm, mmy, mu, xiao8, burning

 

[Greatness]

Pretty huge upset with Rave eliminating IG. Pinoy doto.

And yeah so many base races already. I expected the jug/axe/lion/venge every game meta to be boring but there's been a ton of great games this tourney.

 

[you know what time it is]

I hope, when unavoidable nerfbat hits, it will be a tweak to MoM not Jugg.

 

[Greatness]

Holy shit notails Lion play in game 2 vs HGT. That ~5-10 min window was prob some of the best dota I've ever seen.

 

[Great Deceiver]

I can't believe VG are even considering kicking Black^. He's the reason why they've gotten this far, and at least top 5 best pos 1 players in the world... If anything, they need to replace Super with a mid that's actually good. It's also so fucking unfair that B-god is moving into IG. He doesn't deserve such a shitty team.

Chinese Dream Team 1: fy, fenrir, ferarri 430, iceiceice, black

Chinese Dream Team 2: lanm, mmy, mu, xiao8, burning

I agree that Black has been playing really well (his Medusa game yesterday was particularly impressive), but I think you're being unfair to Super - I definitely think he is a better player than Ferrari right now. Ferrari was a big part of why IG choked so badly vs Rave.

 

[Greatness]

I also agree Black has been playing very well, but isn't the kicking mostly due to communication/language issues? I'd be surprised if he's the only change in their roster anyways, everyone's saying that there's going to be a huge eastern reshuffle after DAC in preparation for TI5.

 

[Mr. Pink]

I can't believe VG are even considering kicking Black^. He's the reason why they've gotten this far, and at least top 5 best pos 1 players in the world... If anything, they need to replace Super with a mid that's actually good. It's also so fucking unfair that B-god is moving into IG. He doesn't deserve such a shitty team.

Chinese Dream Team 1: fy, fenrir, ferarri 430, iceiceice, black

Chinese Dream Team 2: lanm, mmy, mu, xiao8, burning

I agree that Black has been playing really well (his Medusa game yesterday was particularly impressive), but I think you're being unfair to Super - I definitely think he is a better player than Ferrari right now. Ferrari was a big part of why IG choked so badly vs Rave.

Maybe. Super is still a high tier mid, but the problem is that he's too inflexible, so the entire lineup has to work around him. There are times where VG desperately need to draft Black mid, on something like Invoker, which leaves Super playing as a pos 1, which is something that he really isn't that good at. If Super was replaced with a mid who also has experience as a carry, like Ferarri or Mushi (not saying either of them are particularly good right now), VG could pull off so many more drafting possibilities. The power of VG as a team is definitely versatility. Almost every player besides super can play two or more roles. (Fy is a great carry, Black plays mid well, Iceiceice is a legendary mid and also plays carry). Super is the one that kind of pigeonholes the team and stops them from picking surprise black mid drafts.

I might be completely wrong though.

As for Blacks replacement, if it happens, I'd like to see Sylar back. ZSMJ would be amazing too.

EDIT: an example of super choking when being forced to play a position 1: Team Secret vs Vici game 2. Makes huge overextensions, inefficient with wolves and farming compared to Black, generally out of sync with the team. All of this because Super can't play QOP, a hero that most top tier mids should be able to handle.

 

[Luckra]

Jugg is one of my favorite carry, I hope the nerf hammer won't hit him too hard . I really think he doesn't even need a huge nerf, he's always been a early-mid game dominator and he's always been weaker late game than other hard carries. And that is still the case in this patch. The only thing that made very team pick him is the latest change to the base agi from 20 to 26.

 

[Greatness]

I always felt he had a nice niche role for push lineups/certain kill lanes/potential offlaning. Now with the low BAT and uber crit he's just played as a generic hard carry. Kinda lame hero progression IMO. He definitely needs some nerfs, it's pretty crazy how he's now the most played hero in all of dota. Probably just reverting his BAT would be enough. I always thought having the super fast animation was one of the things that made AM special anyways.

 

[Great Deceiver]

Dota is a game of fads; Jug was always popular as he's a carry that could be active early due to spin & omnislash, it's fun to kill people. I agree that his current popular build (maxing crit and getting stats instead of maxing spin/ward, going for standard carry items like mask of madness/manta) is lame - I've always gone for stuff like early stats (magic wand/drum into yasha/aghs) into eventual carry items at the end.

I don't think the hero needs a nerf at all, but the 6 agi buff he got was also unnecessary (I don't think he was weak in lane before that, provided you could be aggressive), so maybe it'll get reverted.