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From Software Elden Ring - From Software's new game with writing by GRRM

Villagkouras

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Is Leyndell the best level From ever designed?
 

Shrimp

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I'd been wondering why I never saw any NPC summoning signs in front of bosses, but then it hit me that it's because I never used the item that lets you see summoning signs in the first place. I hadn't planned on using player summons so the thought never really occurred to me that the finger remedies essentially function as humanities for coop purposes.
Have you guys run into any NPC signs at the various bosses? I always found it interesting how you'd some times see recurring characters against main bosses or how some side bosses had a random summon you'd never see anywhere else in the game.
 

Lutte

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I'd been wondering why I never saw any NPC summoning signs in front of bosses, but then it hit me that it's because I never used the item that lets you see summoning signs in the first place. I hadn't planned on using player summons so the thought never really occurred to me that the finger remedies essentially function as humanities for coop purposes.
Have you guys run into any NPC signs at the various bosses? I always found it interesting how you'd some times see recurring characters against main bosses or how some side bosses had a random summon you'd never see anywhere else in the game.
I don't think there is any NPC summon in this game besides Margit (or was it Godrick? I don't remember which of the two), I saw one NPC sign in front of one of these bosses early in the game yet I didn't use the coop item you mention, and then after that, I never saw a sign again (until Radahn, that is, but the summoning NPC is part and parcel of his encounter mechanic)
 

perfectslumbers

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Why? At first the enemies bothered me because they hit like a truck, but I started parrying them like crazy, I think they have the most obvious tells.
Pretty boring standard knights that you've been fighting the entire game, and fought for the entirety of ds3. The white blob dudes were cool though.
 

Reever

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I got a question for you, brainiacs. What's an excuse for respawning enemies in Elden Ring?
The night of black knives was an event where the death rune was stolen and used to kill demigods. With the rune of death stolen every being in The Lands Between had become immortal.

Why don't the bosses respawn then, why can we kill the demigods without the rune of death? It's a mystery.
Do this rune of death arc gets further elaborated or stays as this cheap reference to runequest? Also, are there runes of life, wind, earth, etc.?
There is a bit more but in true from software fashion you won't really get it unless you read the item descriptions.
Renna stole a piece of the death rune. The rest was sealed inside Maliketh, Marika's half brother, and he "releases" it in the second half of the fight.
Also, every demigod (and some Tarnished) has their own rune specific to them although it doesn't feel like all of them have a clear purpose like that one unless I missed something.

I don't think there is any NPC summon in this game besides Margit (or was it Godrick? I don't remember which of the two), I saw one NPC sign in front of one of these bosses early in the game yet I didn't use the coop item you mention, and then after that, I never saw a sign again (until Radahn, that is, but the summoning NPC is part and parcel of his encounter mechanic)
Pretty sure you can summon Nepheli at the boss in the Albenuric village.
 

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Renna stole a piece of the death rune. The rest was sealed inside Maliketh, Marika's half brother, and he "releases" it in the second half of the fight.

an important additional plot point is that her whole reason for stealing it was to fight against the Great Will influence, she used it to kill her own body (for some reason, existing just as a spirit leaves you out of the Great Will influence), then discarded it and then the black knives picked it up and started killing demi gods left and right, Godwyn died, Marika went mad and shattered the elden ring, demi gods started to wage war against each other, triggered the shattering and then (only then) the Great Will abandoned its followers to seek more understanding puppets (the banished Tarnished). In the timeline it's important to remember: it's not the destruction of the elden ring that caused the Great Will abandonment but the fact that people started to have ambitions of their own. The great will punished Marika by turning her into a literal puppet since she has pretty much no consciousness left, just existing as a host for the Elden Ring, while the Great Will tries to push you to become the consort of a mentally dead woman - which is what the Elden Lord is. Yes, the great will is creepy aff. The Elden Lord's true meaning is to be the consort to Queen Marika.
 

Mortmal

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I'd been wondering why I never saw any NPC summoning signs in front of bosses, but then it hit me that it's because I never used the item that lets you see summoning signs in the first place. I hadn't planned on using player summons so the thought never really occurred to me that the finger remedies essentially function as humanities for coop purposes.
Have you guys run into any NPC signs at the various bosses? I always found it interesting how you'd some times see recurring characters against main bosses or how some side bosses had a random summon you'd never see anywhere else in the game.
I don't think there is any NPC summon in this game besides Margit (or was it Godrick? I don't remember which of the two), I saw one NPC sign in front of one of these bosses early in the game yet I didn't use the coop item you mention, and then after that, I never saw a sign again (until Radahn, that is, but the summoning NPC is part and parcel of his encounter mechanic)
Plenty of them.. you sadly missed quests.
 

Lutte

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Plenty of them.. you sadly missed quests.
Can you name a few (not asking for an exhaustive list) that appear in early boss fights in a spoiler tag? I'm quite curious, I know I've missed quite some questing but I was a little more completionist in the early game, of the NPCs I did some of Fia's stuff (before she does what you know at the roundtable), D, the whole witch questline, Neph until she goes all depressed, Seluvis (lied to him), Roderika and maybe one or two I forgot about.
 

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This is NOT anything new however because the same problem was already present in DS1, specifically Artorias and Manus, neither of which can be done with anything other than light roll and no shield, so much you are basicaly given "cheats" (Artorias being staggerable, Manus with that pendant thing) in case you didn't go full ninja roll in your build.
I almost always go highest poise and stability possible, full Havel's/greatshield, fatroll and all with Artorias and it works like a charm. The magic shield spell helps.
 
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Right lads, I've caved. Dropping the blind playthrough in the interests of getting it over and done with. Lagging behind on boss progress.

Final plan for the build when I respec is a STR/INT hybrid. Greatshield, heavy armor, Morning Star with Hoarfrost Stomp as primary, probably a Carian Knight Sword as back up. Spells etc in the back pocket if additional cheese required. Mimic ashes like everyone else. Should be enough to see me through.
 

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What Spirit Ashes did you guys use? So far I've upgraded the Jellyfish up to +5 now since it's pretty tanky and I've been using it in gank fights. I also have the ashes for some knight dude but I still need to increase my FP to summon him.

I've been using the Warhawk bro for the luls. It's just hilarious to me to have a fire-breathing bird pet with knives for feet.
 

Curratum

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This fucking game, man...

Went back to Radahn's castle and saw that his steward had new dialogue and is probably teleporting off someplace else, need to look him up for a possible quest.

Decided to warp back in there for no reason later, then found the courtyard where the summons gather now a duo bossfight and the entire castle now populated with knights and soldiers and unlocked to explore. Spent half an hour on that, found some upgrade mats and THREE swords I haven't found anywhere else yet.

Boss duo dropped a sword I've never seen as well.
 

Tyranicon

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Mimic ashes like everyone else.

I would save these for when you're struggling with a boss. Summoning the mimic if you're already rocking a good build/weapon will absolutely trivialize most bosses unless you're underleveled.

That being said, if you're a glass cannon caster, mimic will suck for you. Melee, especially dex builds with a fast weapon, seem best.

Slap a moonveil on that bad boy and bosses just melt.
 

Grampy_Bone

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I've beaten all these games' bosses solo, I get the need to have a satisfying fight 'fair and square....'

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but lets be honest
'Proving yourself' in a videogame is masturbation.

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curds

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I've beaten all these games' bosses solo, I get the need to have a satisfying fight 'fair and square....'

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but lets be honest
'Proving yourself' in a videogame is masturbation.

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If the tools (ie. Summons, etc.) are placed in the game by the devs then it's not cheating or cheesing to use them. My buddy who fucked up his build is refusing to respec at Renalla because he considers that cheating.

I've seen retards on Reddit claim that using Gold Pine resin on the Bell Gargoyles in DS1 is cheesing. Like holy fuck, that item is most likely placed there specifically to be used in that battle.
 

curds

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To everyone who bashes their head against a boss fight for hours on end, you need to start treating this game like an RPG. I daresay the way it's meant to be played.

If I can't kill a boss by like the third attempt, I go and level up, upgrade equipment and enevitably beat it within 2-3 tries (often first try) on returning. Don't think I've spent more than an hour on any boss fight in Souls or Elden Ring.
 

Grampy_Bone

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Why am I cosplaying a barbarian if I'm using a katana? It's a mystery! (no, I just used too many upgrade mats on it to switch at this point)

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The uchi is too good not to use early on. Good reach, speed, damage, and bleed. It just sucks for poise breaking. I think it's the best weapon you can find in Limgrave, hands down, for any build. Just add ashes/affinity to taste.
 

Lyric Suite

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Fuck, i gave an heretic book to the priest in Roundtable Hold. Hope i didn't fuck up something.
 

Tyranicon

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Maybe unpopular opinion, but I think the hardest Fromsoft bosses are in Sekiro. No summons, no main weapons besides a katana, everything is a duel.

Saint Ishin is the height of Fromsoft boss design, not only in "fair difficulty" but because he perfectly encapsulates everything you've learned throughout the game.


Fuck, i gave an heretic book to the priest in Roundtable Hold. Hope i didn't fuck up something.

I think most of them (if not all) are heresies but he happily teaches them anyways.
 

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