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From Software Elden Ring - From Software's new game with writing by GRRM

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Now, we need to talk about Gowry. Dafuq this old man was plotting? Did he find the 4 girls infected in the swamp, or he took 4 healthy children and infected just to experiment rot flowering shenanigans on them?
I think they are all clones of Malenia, and Gowry created them through dark magic out of the Aeonia swamp (which is the place where Malenia first "blossomed", and is also right above the underground lake of rot) to try and replace her as the "goddess of rot".
 

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There is also the *real* "god of blood" that is imprisoned underground right. I wonder if he will make an appearance in the dlc.
 

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Miquella's dreamworld and Miquella as a boss sounds plausible to me as the main dlc theme. Maybe a way to redeem Malenia within this but I'm not sure.

Godwyn as a boss is also a possibility but I figure the dlc title and promotional material would be about it. I mean he would be the "true" boss of the game.
There's also the Malenia is Night-Eyed Queen plot to be disclosed.

There is also the *real* "god of blood" that is imprisoned underground right. I wonder if he will make an appearance in the dlc.
You mean Mogh's Formless Mother. Where in the subterranean she lives? I couldn't precise this.

Btw, do the official guide show some timeline? I suspect there's a supoosed "hidden era" here with a bunch of drama, probably between the Dragons and Marika reign where the Eardtree was already in place but formless/with no set order, and where the Night-Eyed Queen was a contender but lost to Marika.
 

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There are the "real" "outer" "gods", like the Scarlet Rot or the Formless Mother (or the Dark Moon, or maybe Unalloyed Gold?), and then there are various "demigods" that are associated with them (Malenia, Mohg, Ranni, Miquella) and act as their avatars. Kind of. Possibly.

Also the Frenzied Flame which seeks out Tarnished to be its avatars, for some reason. And the Fell Flame of the snow giants. And the Death God which seems to have Godwyn's bloated corpse as its avatar. And, of course, the Greater Will + Erdtree + Marika + Radagon + Elden Beast + Two Fingers shebang.

Really, they should have called these "Powers" and "Principalities", or something of the sort.
 

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Miquella's dreamworld and Miquella as a boss sounds plausible to me as the main dlc theme. Maybe a way to redeem Malenia within this but I'm not sure.

Godwyn as a boss is also a possibility but I figure the dlc title and promotional material would be about it. I mean he would be the "true" boss of the game.
There's also the Malenia is Night-Eyed Queen plot to be disclosed.


You mean Melina? I think it is implied that she is the "Gloam-eyed queen" the lore talks about.


Btw, do the official guide show some timeline? I suspect there's a supoosed "hidden era" here with a bunch of drama, probably between the Dragons and Marika reign where the Eardtree was already in place but formless/with no set order, and where the Night-Eyed Queen was a contender but lost to Marika.

Yes, there is a short 10 page summary at page 502 of the first book called "world history". It somewhat details how the lands between originated from the "crucible"(primordial form of the erdtree), originally inhabited by intelligent beasts and dragons and was then invaded by the "visitors from beyond"(outer gods of sorts) including the so called "greater will".

This summary ommits a lot of stuff though, including said queen. There are fan-made timelines including her, the nox and the godskin but I'm not sure they are reliable.
 

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There are the "real" "outer" "gods", like the Scarlet Rot or the Formless Mother (or the Dark Moon, or maybe Unalloyed Gold?), and then there are various "demigods" that are associated with them (Malenia, Mohg, Ranni, Miquella) and act as their avatars. Kind of. Possibly.

Also the Frenzied Flame which seeks out Tarnished to be its avatars, for some reason. And the Fell Flame of the snow giants. And the Death God which seems to have Godwyn's bloated corpse as its avatar. And, of course, the Greater Will + Erdtree + Marika + Radagon + Elden Beast + Two Fingers shebang.

Really, they should have called these "Powers" and "Principalities", or something of the sort.

Are the "formless mother" and the "god of rot" different entities or just two names for the same outer god? In my head I had both as the same thing while playing the game.

I mean they are both blood deities and they are both banished/imprisoned underground. In the case of the latter specifically in the underground Ainsel river.
 

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Are the "formless mother" and the "god of rot" different entities or just two names for the same outer god?
Miyazaki and GRRM are also wondering this.

But in-game they seem to be treated as two different things. E.g. the followers of "scarlet rot" are extremely dejected that their new "goddess/avatar" (Malenia) is rejecting her role, but they don't go over to Mohg and try to join his stupid dynasty. The ones who obsess over the "lord of blood" are a different group altogether (mostly white mask psychoes).

Also, scarlet rot and bleed are two different status effects in-game, and pretty much all of these outer gods are synonymous with ER's status effects and/or damage types I just realized. :lol: Except poison.
 
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There is also the *real* "god of blood" that is imprisoned underground right. I wonder if he will make an appearance in the dlc.
Dude, we won't get anything cool in the DLC. We'll get Myquella and that fish guy who's dead, kinda. Just like in Ringed City we got.....introduced to a new family member of Gwyn. The teams doing the DLCs at From Software are the most creatively retarded people on the planet. Plain and simple.
 

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There are the "real" "outer" "gods", like the Scarlet Rot or the Formless Mother (or the Dark Moon, or maybe Unalloyed Gold?), and then there are various "demigods" that are associated with them (Malenia, Mohg, Ranni, Miquella) and act as their avatars. Kind of. Possibly.

Also the Frenzied Flame which seeks out Tarnished to be its avatars, for some reason. And the Fell Flame of the snow giants. And the Death God which seems to have Godwyn's bloated corpse as its avatar. And, of course, the Greater Will + Erdtree + Marika + Radagon + Elden Beast + Two Fingers shebang.

Really, they should have called these "Powers" and "Principalities", or something of the sort.

Are the "formless mother" and the "god of rot" different entities or just two names for the same outer god? In my head I had both as the same thing while playing the game.

I mean they are both blood deities and they are both banished/imprisoned underground. In the case of the latter specifically in the underground Ainsel river.

Formless mother and god of rot are not connected at all. Formless mother is just another name for the goddes of blood. The one Mohg gets his powers from. Rot god is completely different.
 

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Now, we need to talk about Gowry. Dafuq this old man was plotting? Did he find the 4 girls infected in the swamp, or he took 4 healthy children and infected just to experiment rot flowering shenanigans on them?
I think they are all clones of Malenia, and Gowry created them through dark magic out of the Aeonia swamp (which is the place where Malenia first "blossomed", and is also right above the underground lake of rot) to try and replace her as the "goddess of rot".

I think the sisters were created by Malenia. I think they literally "blossomed" out of the scarlet aeonia, and Gowry found them.
 

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The teams doing the DLCs at From Software are the most creatively retarded people on the planet. Plain and simple.
The Dark Souls 2 DLCs and the Bloodborne DLC are some of the best stuff From Software has ever made. Also I don't think they have "teams" specifically dedicated to making their DLC content. They don't operate like Activision.
 

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The 25th (next Sunday) is the 2nd anniversary of Elden Ring, so it would make sense to release at least some info then. Last year we got the announcement for the DLC on that day, and it'd be fun if we got the actual release on that day.
 

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I don't think they will release the dlc out of the blue like that, though I wish it were the case.

Probably they will release trailer and info on the 25th of february and release it in april or may.
 

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With DS2 there was one month between the announcement and the release of The Sunken Crown, so that's a reasonable option. Plus, the 25th is a Sunday, and it would make a bit more sense if it released on a thursday or friday so people could get hyped and play it over the weekend instead on only part thereof.
 

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If in that report of theirs they said no announcement yet, they themselves have no idea. Yeah, sure maybe they'll post some screenshots or some new info. But no release date.
 

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Is it possible the Numen were actually the first human-like beings as created by the Erdtree, after the Crucible era where life assumed different forms? The word Numen (= New Men) is certainly suggestive. This evokes a nature/chaos x society/order theme.

Edit: btw, just found that Godfrey was kicked out by Marika as soon as he finished "cleaning the house" for her golden order. Lol what a bitch.
 
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Is it possible the Numen were actually the first human-like beings as created by the Erdtree, after the Crucible era where life assumed different forms?
We have literally no information about "numen" other than that they come from outside the Lands Between, and that Marika (and possibly Godwyn's assassins) are of Numen "stock". And the "numen" preset in the chargen is a normal human with slightly reddish skin.

Although, it would make more sense for the black knife assassins to be Nox... maybe they're both.

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So yes, it is certainly possible!
 

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From isn't dropping news for the DLC, and it's already the end of Feb.

Maybe they are looking to evade DD2 and Rise of the Ronin? Anyway, May would be fine I guess.
Quite interested to see how they have been cooking for 2 years.
 

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From isn't dropping news for the DLC, and it's already the end of Feb.

Maybe they are looking to evade DD2 and Rise of the Ronin? Anyway, May would be fine I guess.
Quite interested to see how they have been cooking for 2 years.
Yeah I never bought that they were gonna release it so close to DD2. That release is gonna be pretty huge and could hurt the Elden Ring expansion's longterm sales. Not by a lot because it's Elden Ring but still. Team Ninja is just plain fucking nuts releasing Rise of the Ronin on the 22nd. They're commiting Seppuku.
 

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From isn't dropping news for the DLC, and it's already the end of Feb.

Maybe they are looking to evade DD2 and Rise of the Ronin? Anyway, May would be fine I guess.
Quite interested to see how they have been cooking for 2 years.
Yeah I never bought that they were gonna release it so close to DD2. That release is gonna be pretty huge and could hurt the Elden Ring expansion's longterm sales. Not by a lot because it's Elden Ring but still. Team Ninja is just plain fucking nuts releasing Rise of the Ronin on the 22nd. They're commiting Seppuku.
Oh well...

Anyway, Rise of the Ronin still can get a PC port.
ER's DLC I'm beary excited tho, hope they do some kind of minimal trailer that doesn't spoil everything.
 

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From isn't dropping news for the DLC, and it's already the end of Feb.

Maybe they are looking to evade DD2 and Rise of the Ronin? Anyway, May would be fine I guess.
Quite interested to see how they have been cooking for 2 years.
Yeah I never bought that they were gonna release it so close to DD2. That release is gonna be pretty huge and could hurt the Elden Ring expansion's longterm sales. Not by a lot because it's Elden Ring but still. Team Ninja is just plain fucking nuts releasing Rise of the Ronin on the 22nd. They're commiting Seppuku.
Oh well...

Anyway, Rise of the Ronin still can get a PC port.
ER's DLC I'm beary excited tho, hope they do some kind of minimal trailer that doesn't spoil everything.
I'm hyped for the Elden Ring expansion but it can wait a while. I've been waiting a decade for DD2. As for Rise of the Ronin, Team Ninja lost a lot of good faith with Wo Long. It was a big step down from Nioh 1&2. There's no telling how Ronin will turn out.
 

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