Fallout 3 is overbashed here

[Gord]

A lot of over-dramatisation here. Bethesda games are not particuallry good, nor particualry bad, merely particualry stupid. Hence if you're looking for a perfect decent game that is if dumb as fuck (story, characters, AI, lore... everything - wise), then you can torrent their game any day and have fun for some (rather short, though) amout of time.

No, I'm pretty sure they're particularly bad. You know, that happens when certain games do nothing right.

I'd say they are particularly underdeveloped and inconsequential. Bethesda puts in a lot of stuff for the sake of having it, it seems, but they never care to actually polish it/push it far enough that it becomes really good. It still works for a lot of people.

I'm concerned about their ongoing quest for "accessibility", though.

 

[TwinkieGorilla]

That would be 'sunken'.

'Sunken' is a synonym of the past participle 'sunk' and I'm pretty sure (but not certain) "has sunk" is the more appropriate of the two in this case.

 

[Crispy]

When we're talking about an adjectival participle, 'sunken' is preferred in this case, as would be 'risen' over 'arised' or something similar in HHR's.

You may be able to draw, but leave the grammar to me.

 

[DraQ]

I swim to rivet city at level 1 in every playthrough to get the int bobblehead.

Well, you do need it quite direly.

 

[villain of the story]

I don't think we could ever possibly bash Fallout 3 enough, given how sickeningly positive the mainstream opinion of it is.

Especially given the disproportional reception between Fallout 3 and FNV, the latter being recalled as a bug-fest as if it was unique to it.

 

[crojipjip]

When we're talking about an adjectival participle, 'sunken' is preferred in this case, as would be 'risen' over 'arised' or something similar in HHR's.

You may be able to draw, but leave the grammar to me.

Only when you leave philosophy to me.

 

[Mastermind]

Especially given the disproportional reception between Fallout 3 and FNV, the latter being recalled as a bug-fest as if it was unique to it.

It was. It came with a save killing bug right out the gate. It wasn't the first time Obshitian did that to me either, NWN2 was the same which is why I never finished it.

 

[Orma]

Fallout 3 was a decent game. Better than Fallout 1 and infinitely better than the shittarded Fallout 2 in which I couldn't be bothered to get past the tutorial before I ragequit and deleted it. The story in fallout 1 was better, but that's like saying Hitler was better than Stalin because the NAZIs had cooler uniforms. Neither game takes advantage of the setting to tell a genuinely unique story tailored to it. Fallout 1 is just a shitty rehash of boring fantasy without a touch of creativity. SarumanThe Master spawns a whole bunch of orcssupermutants and tries to take over teh world. But it has C&Csesss! Yeah, in addition to the new and original "kill the final boss" or "let the final boss kill you" options you can also talk him into killing himself by pointing out to a Cleveian supergenius that he didn't quite notice his spawns are sterile. Fallout 3 at least throws the derp in your face right from the beginning so you don't feel like your intelligence has been insulted after putting in a dozen hours into the game only to have what has to be one of the dumbfuckest endings in gaming history cockslap you in the face. And what's left once you get past the story? At least Fallout 3 has a sizable exploration area with enough flavor that it doesn't all seem the same while keeping the general utter lack of creativity that poisons the entire series from making you throw your keyboard through your monitor at bay. Fallout 1 has no exploration, it's an empty open world with a handful of small uninteresting locations. Which leaves Fallout 1 with what? Ironically, it's the decent popamole combat that makes it merely mediocre instead of complete shit. I expect popamole from an RPG with FPS gameplay, but I bet nobody ever saw the popamole coming in an RPG with tbs gameplay. Fallout does nothing to take advantage of its gameplay style, the turn based combat doing nothing other than letting you take your sweet time popping those moles. But hey, enjoy your shitty generic fantasy story, simplistic "made for retards" combat and giant empty map in your "traditional" RPG clearly made for monocled aristorcrats.

 

[Orma]

Wrong. Same perspective != same genre

Fallout 3 should be compared to Oblivion

Fixed.

 

[EG]

Especially given the disproportional reception between Fallout 3 and FNV, the latter being recalled as a bug-fest as if it was unique to it.

It was. It came with a save killing bug right out the gate. It wasn't the first time Obshitian did that to me either, NWN2 was the same which is why I never finished it.

Ah, yes. The Steam bug . . . Not that Fallout 3 wasn't without its consuming of its own save files.

 

[Mastermind]

Especially given the disproportional reception between Fallout 3 and FNV, the latter being recalled as a bug-fest as if it was unique to it.

It was. It came with a save killing bug right out the gate. It wasn't the first time Obshitian did that to me either, NWN2 was the same which is why I never finished it.

Ah, yes. The Steam bug . . . Not that Fallout 3 wasn't without its consuming of its own save files.

It wasn't. I've never had much trouble with it nor have I heard anyone complain about Fallout 3 killing their saves.

 

[dextermorgan]

Put HHR on the Watch and contain Mastermind in the Politics subforum.

 

[EG]

Especially given the disproportional reception between Fallout 3 and FNV, the latter being recalled as a bug-fest as if it was unique to it.

It was. It came with a save killing bug right out the gate. It wasn't the first time Obshitian did that to me either, NWN2 was the same which is why I never finished it.

Ah, yes. The Steam bug . . . Not that Fallout 3 wasn't without its consuming of its own save files.

It wasn't. I've never had much trouble with it nor have I heard anyone complain about Fallout 3 killing their saves.

You might be right. A quick google search just isn't giving me the results I'd like to say whether I made it up or not.

 

[sea]

It wasn't. I've never had much trouble with it nor have I heard anyone complain about Fallout 3 killing their saves.

But it did have patches that broke the game more than they fixed and introduced major gameplay and performance issues (many related to VATS) that were never officially acknowledged or fixed despite literally hundreds of reports on Bethesda's forum. Then there were issues with the official DLCs causing the main game to crash whenever the player entered certain areas, like Rivet City. I specifically remember that the 1.4 update broke the game to such a degree that it caused crashes literally every 10 minutes of gameplay for me, when previously it was about as "rock solid" as a Bethesda game could be. These crashes were made only slightly better with updates.

Even though New Vegas was arguably a bit buggier out of the gate, at least Obsidian provided a year's worth of support that ended up fixing almost every significant issue with the game. Bethesda couldn't even be arsed to fix dozens of quest-breaking bugs, and only concerned themselves with putting out more DLC.

The sad thing is that they have actually gotten worse. Skyrim, for instance, literally came out with menus that had no mouse support, and it was only added in a patch shortly after. The keybinding features are still broken, the UI is an atrocious mess without mods, not to mention the fact they were too lazy to click the "optimize" box on their compiler and as a result the game literally ran 50% slower than it should have until fans fixed it themselves and Bethesda had to admit to the error. Dawnguard continues the proud tradition of DLC literally rendering parts of the game unplayable due to its rampant psycho vampires; even with a month to fix this issue, the PC version was afflicted by the same problem and they still have yet to remedy it on any platforms.

So yeah, regardless of New Vegas' issues, Fallout 3 was a buggy mess and the vast majority of its bugs were never actually fixed by Bethesda, and their updates introduced even more issues to the point where many players refused to update past 1.2. I think that Bethesda putting out a broken game after 5+ years in development demonstrates far more incompetence than Obsidian putting out a bigger, better, more feature-rich, albeit buggy game after 1.5 years of development and a tight production schedule. It's abundantly clear that Bethesda simply do not give a shit about the quality of their products and the satisfaction of their customers.

 

[Gragt]

Yet for the public opinion, Obsidian released a buggy mess unlike Bethesda's polished masterpiece.

 

[crojipjip]

Don't justify a feature by either :

- I have seen it done before.
- I have not seen it done before.

There are plenty of original and creative ideas that don't deserve a chance. We need to not know why, and instead know how. Not how you are influenced by other developers. But how your decisions influence game-play.

What your should not be:
- a game.

What design's should be:
- serious business.

As slaves to wealthy companies you can do better than indie developers. You have a chance to push the meaning of AAA further. We are not interested in you changing the direction of right to wrong. Computer science and the raw facts about hardware, and software engineering in general all show that you are involved in a perfect science. Personally I regress all the time. I become more subjective the more aware I am of my subjectivity. But what you can do is give the computer the power of codes, and the organization of man's universe. to put clothes on npcs and let them be real. realer than real. its the galaxy far far away that exceeds our expectations beyond the capabilities of science fiction writers to even imagine.

Fuck the law of diminish derps. Think about what I am saying here. Our best friends are only about 599$, and can do more than we ever could hope to. Don't waste your mind worrying about risk. Become progressive. Your due dates still depend on you. Thus tell your boss progress is when you decide on and implement an original idea. Anything else is to the detriment of his slaves.

I grew up with severe adhd. I had to sit and just stare at my screen hoping that my mind would just snap and if "I willed it, I would become a great assembly programmer. To hack and reverse your games and all developers. To one day see myself shaking the hands of world leaders for including revolutionary hacks maybe in the form of toolbar, shit even with super rounded edges in the menus to most comfortable blend with the likes ofFallout 3 (maybe 2238). Hacks aren't just cheats. You are the cheat. We hackers appreciate how shy you are, because we are too. But the trouble is we know your creation can be better. Assembly is that way of keeping it human, and yet making love to the machine. We aren't just teens anymore. You probably know that to some degree right?

?I have tried to get a job at BGS on several occasions. No response was given. Am I doomed to work outside the laws of AAA game development hangars? Can you not see the irony of how spacious your studio must be. Don't let the cubicles fool you. You are open to paying for my flight on an AAA just to get me to work. I know I have said some harsh things in the past about you but I Am your friend!.

Let me come live and code or even do art, maybe both.. all in your aircraft hangar. You know the only thing colder than where you work is? Not having the chance to proves oneself. Todd Howard look around in Fallout 3. That game can be made into mutliplayer. Why not make a multiplayer DLC? Are you hating money? Why not employ indie neckbeards to do it for you? Does steam refuse indie dLC? TRust in us. Or do it yourself. Don't leave the community hanging. All of my modder life has been serious business. That is the greatest sacrifice, that is virginity. If survival of the fittest is a game, 'game theory, herp a derp', then why not accept that physically my fat ass needs an airplane flight. paid for. sacrifice? i will give you all my codes. but understand one thing, even if I were to write up detailed explanations. I have aspergers. And you slap my people down everytime the bullet point on the job apps is "great communication skills".

Thanks for listening.

 

[EG]

No, no! This cannot be . . . something relatively coherent from Prosper.

What madness has besieged my mind?

I'd say you're doomed. Your gifts will go unaccepted by the noble publishing houses and you'll continue to toil in an obscurity brought about by mental illness.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

Fallout 3 is great if you like going though all the same ruined subways for more than 10 hours before reaching Rivet City, personnally I was not brave enough to endure that; and Rivet City will forever stay as a dot on the map of my Pipboy to which pointed my magical compass. Perhaps that the game becomes great after that but I seriously doubt it.

I swim to rivet city at level 1 in every playthrough to get the int bobblehead. you don't need to go through a single subway.

I got there by accident, it's just across the river near the citadel and the library. You actually skip Megaton and Three Dog going directly there.

 

[Commissar Draco]

Are there any mods or combination of mods that make Fallout 3 a decent game? I know a lot about Oblivion mods done to improve the game but not those from Fallout 3. Give install order if possible.

Hit Uninstall.exe it works for me. EVERY time. Greatly s Fallout 3. In fact after playing Underrail Demo my tolerance for gamebryo faggotery in FNV is in . I think some evil Djin Magic curse was broken thanks to appearance of Kickstarter. Behead those who insult Avelone!

 

[Orma]

Even bethtards in Bethesda forums bash Fallout 3.

 

[Manjuice Nutella]

Even bethtards in Bethesda forums bash Fallout 3.

?!?!

Source? They are usually, apparently with great pleasure. using every opportunity to remark how superior it is to New Vegas. Their reasoning is usually incredibly inane and they like to ignore obvious facts that are in the favor of the latter like better writing, more features of NV like weapons/quests/balance/iron sights/you-name-it and are completely oblivious of Bethesda's flaws, or at least especially quick to make excuses.

 

[Orma]

Even bethtards in Bethesda forums bash Fallout 3.

?!?!

Source? They are usually, apparently with great pleasure. using every opportunity to remark how superior it is to New Vegas. Their reasoning is usually incredibly inane and they like to ignore obvious facts that are in the favor of the latter like better writing, more features of NV like weapons/quests/balance/iron sights/you-name-it and are completely oblivious of Bethesda's flaws, or at least especially quick to make excuses.

A small minority of course, most of them still think it is the ''BEST FALOUT GAME EVAR''

 

[EG]

It's a game that deserves to be bashed, and bashed harder than those in the past, for it is newer. It should be better than what it is.

 

[thesoup]

From here.

 

[crojipjip]

Now that I think about it. I think this fallout 1 or 2 is better than fallout 3 nonsense is total lies. i think people who understand like i do how boring new vegas was, will elect me to like be their party canidate?