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"Fallout New Vegas is Only Good Because Fallout 3 is Good"
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TemplarGR
Dumbfuck!
You needed to watch a video about it? I have explained it here many times already...
Fallout New Vegas is a great game, for 1 or 2 playthroughs tops. After that it gets boring and lame, because outside of the dialogue,factions, NPCs, there is nothing great about it. It is a chore to play because there aren't enough places to explore or shit to do. The game is extremely quest driven and it is very, very linear.
Obsidian with NV did the same thing they did with NWN2, they took the original concept and twisted it into a storyfag experience. Fallout 3 was a very open, exploration based, make your own fun RPG, and Obsidian turned it into a storyfag quest and C&C heavy game. Neverwinter Nights was essentially a single-character-create-your-own-module-for-multiplayer toolset that Obsidian attempted to make a party based storyfag CRPG out of.
Don't get me wrong, this approach is not "bad", but it does detract in some ways from the original experience. It is very hard to make an openended exploration based storyfag game. Imagine Minecraft, can you even imagine a linear storyfag campaign within Minecraft game? You can't... If you add this type of element in a game, it can't be "make your own fun" anymore. It puts limits.
To better illustrate the problem from a Bethesda-fan perpective, imagine our frustration when every time we want to make a new build in new vegas, we have to make the U turn Primm-Mohave Outpost-Nipton-Novac-Freeside-New Vegas. Every fucking time, doing the same quests every fucking time, because they give a lot of exp and loot and it only makes sense to take them in order. It is frustrating to try to level up without doing the quests because they provide HUGE EXP, and doing the story quests implies watching the same fucking dialogue and clicking the same fucking options every single time... It is boring...
The Dutch Ghost
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Okay I have a question for you; why would you want Fallout to become combat oriented?
Sounds to me you did not enjoy the Fallout franchise from the start. It needed to be turned into something different in order to appeal.
If anything it sounds like you would be happier with grindy single player MMOs
Well you definitely live up to your signatures.
Sounds to me you did not enjoy the Fallout franchise from the start. It needed to be turned into something different in order to appeal.
If anything it sounds like you would be happier with grindy single player MMOs
Well you definitely live up to your signatures.
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who the fuck is this lol
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Christopher Frederic
hivemind
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kill yourself and kill everyone around you
In that order.
Since you enjoy bethesda games so much, you'd know by now how to turn into a vampire.
Since you enjoy bethesda games so much, you'd know by now how to turn into a vampire.
Chris Fuckin Avellone
Zer0wing
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Pretty much this. This is where thread should end. Fallout 3 in OPs video sense is as important as Far Cry 3.
TheImplodingVoice
Dumbfuck!
Fallout 3 or NV are both shit.
I launched NV and started walking around. Only to get attacked by agro mobs and they didn't even have a dialogue with me first, didn't try to rob me at gunpoint, nothing. Just stupid agro mobs like in an MMO. Of course they also acted stupid as fuck. And there was no feedback from them from my actions. I mean combat actions and I mean sneaking, they just acted randomely, seemingly with no purpose.
In fallout 1-2 if you met some raiders, at least it said so in the log and it was up to you to imagine that there was some kind of confrontation before it came to shooting. But in here, it's the uncanny valley.
It was like there was this dialogue system and separately in the same game there was this early combat prototype. And they were in complete disconnect. And the sneaking system also in disconnect.
The dialogues and story was ok, the combat system and the rest was nothing short of complete shit. People who like the game are retards, i.e. 99% people. I'm fine with it, since in real life 99% people are also retards. End of story.
P.S. and yeah, the systems in fallout 3 felt connected. Congrats Obshitian for making a fallout that's shittier than fallout 3, that's an achievement.
I launched NV and started walking around. Only to get attacked by agro mobs and they didn't even have a dialogue with me first, didn't try to rob me at gunpoint, nothing. Just stupid agro mobs like in an MMO. Of course they also acted stupid as fuck. And there was no feedback from them from my actions. I mean combat actions and I mean sneaking, they just acted randomely, seemingly with no purpose.
In fallout 1-2 if you met some raiders, at least it said so in the log and it was up to you to imagine that there was some kind of confrontation before it came to shooting. But in here, it's the uncanny valley.
It was like there was this dialogue system and separately in the same game there was this early combat prototype. And they were in complete disconnect. And the sneaking system also in disconnect.
The dialogues and story was ok, the combat system and the rest was nothing short of complete shit. People who like the game are retards, i.e. 99% people. I'm fine with it, since in real life 99% people are also retards. End of story.
P.S. and yeah, the systems in fallout 3 felt connected. Congrats Obshitian for making a fallout that's shittier than fallout 3, that's an achievement.
TheImplodingVoice
Dumbfuck!
There shouldn't be a negro in the thumbnail at all.
TemplarGR
Dumbfuck!
I don't like grinding in games and i don't think Fallout 3 or 4 are in any way, shape, or form, grindy.
I did enjoy the fallout franchise from the beginning but it seems to me most people on the codex appreciated different things. There are certain things that i liked and things that i hated in the original fallout games:
-Things i liked
1) RPG with guns and modern/advanced tech. At that time it was quite a novelty, since RPG was equivalent to medieval fantasy
2) I liked the gore, the aiming, and the combat was somewhat enjoyable if a little slow
3) I liked that it was an extremely easy game to play, like, the fischer price of CRPGs. It was also extremely easy to develop a broken OP character, you just needed small guns and use burst point blank, you could destroy any opponent that way, alongside some power armor for protection. It was GOD MODE
4) I liked the mature themes
5) I liked the dialogue system
-Things i didn't like
1) The skill system was underdeveloped. Many skills were useless and semi-useless. The builds were quite limited, you could play a ranged or a melee character, and that was about it.
2) It was a very short and low content game, especially the first Fallout. Only a couple of tiny city hubs and a couple of "dungeons", essentially, coupled with random encounters.
3) Once you beat the game, it became very repetitive. Replaying the original Fallouts wasn't really that great aside of speedrunning them, perhaps doing a couple of quests differently, etc.
In the end, i think most people are too nostalgic of the original Fallouts for their own good. I remember very clearly the 90s and people weren't really awed by the fallouts back then. They were considered good games, but hardly classic material. And believe me, i used to read a ton of magazines and sites back in the day... For console/AAA players of the day, the original Fallouts didn't even exist on the map. They were like ATOM is today, mostly... It is curious that they have developed such a cult following after 2 decades, while better crpgs of the 90s are barely remembered these days... And i am not talking about the IE games here...
razvedchiki
Magister
fallout 3 was made for the that time console kids generation,with everything that entails.
defending fallout 3 simply means you dont like good writing/worldbuilding.
defending fallout 3 simply means you dont like good writing/worldbuilding.
No, it implies that people who like Fallout 3 are white supremacist scum and must be wiped off the face of earth.
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Got cuck rating because you're willing to compromise video game taste. Unlike you, I am willing to play games I politically despise like KC: D because it's good
But arguing further would be out of topic.with that explanation I can fully accept the rating.Got cuck rating because you're willing to compromise video game taste. Unlike you, I am willing to play games I politically despise like KC: D because it's good
Viata
Arcane
Explain yourself, mate. How can you "politically despise" a fucking game?
I won't.
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I would say that Fallout New Vegas is only bad because Fallout 3 is bad.
F:NV inherits a bad engine and a shitty fps core gameplay. It just pains to see how a decent story, a cool faction system and great choices & consequences are wasted so badly with the horrible gameplay like this.
F:NV inherits a bad engine and a shitty fps core gameplay. It just pains to see how a decent story, a cool faction system and great choices & consequences are wasted so badly with the horrible gameplay like this.
McPlusle
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New Vegas's growing resurgence is so weird to me. Maybe it's just because YouTubers/Redditors are really malleable and fell for all the overly long video essays by Hbomberguy and his ilk about how Fallout 3 and 4 are bad but obviously those viewers could never handle the mechanics of the first two games. I want to love New Vegas, but the mechanics of the Gamebryo engine really kill it for me. It probably would've been a great isometric Fallout 3.
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