Games are not art

[luj1]

 

[Gandalf]

They are maybe sometimes interactive art.

 

[Odoryuk]

What the fuck is that

 

[Gandalf]

Why retarded?

 

[Lemming42]

What the fuck is that

Morrowind beta

 

[Lemming42]

Do people say games aren't art anymore? There's like Baftas and shit for games now, and you hear videogame soundtracks on Classic FM. I think it was just something people like Roger Ebert said decades ago because their impression of videogames was Pac-Man and Asteroids.

 

[Odoryuk]

What the fuck is that

Morrowind beta

Never seen it before. I kinda like it

I think it was just something people like Roger Ebert said decades ago because their impression of videogames was Pac-Man and Asteroids.

One could argue that Pac-Man and Asteroids are great example of videogames as art language, as art medium. The most distinct thing in videogames is interactivty, no other form of entertianment have interactivity of a video games. So such games should be celebrated as art more, than games that tries to be like movies or other shit, IMO

 

[Ezekiel]

Who cares?

 

[Necrensha]

Videogames require the combined efforts of countless artists to be made, and therefore should be considered art.
Like, that's it, it's a purely logical conclusion.

Art is the expression of the human spirit, therefore the men who spent countless hours designing dungeons, creating maps, writing dialogue, rendering the intro, capturing animations, drawing the sky, etc, are all artists and should be considered as such.
A more cynical view would be that videogames are nothing more than a product, created in a assembly line by bored wagies who couldn't give half a shit about their work, and this is also right because there are plenty of videogames that were made like that. But then, it all becomes subjective since some people will say that the latest Call of Duty is a masterpiece while scorn at Ico or Pathologic.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter since ''art'' can be reduced to a label that has no real value beyond what you personally give it.

 

[luj1]

I think it was just something people like Roger Ebert said decades ago because their impression of videogames was Pac-Man and Asteroids.

This is a guy who enjoyed Prometheus (2012), a crock of horse shit, and criticized The Thing (1982) or Blue Velvet (1986). One of the most hated and disliked people in cinema.

 

[luj1]

Videogames require the combined efforts of countless artists to be made, and therefore should be considered art.
Like, that's it, it's a purely logical conclusion.

Art is the expression of the human spirit, therefore the men who spent countless hours designing dungeons, creating maps, writing dialogue, rendering the intro, capturing animations, drawing the sky, etc, are all artists and should be considered as such.
A more cynical view would be that videogames are nothing more than a product, created in a assembly line by bored wagies who couldn't give half a shit about their work, and this is also right because there are plenty of videogames that were made like that. But then, it all becomes subjective since some people will say that the latest Call of Duty is a masterpiece while scorn at Ico or Pathologic.
At the end of the day, it doesn't matter since ''art'' can be reduced to a label that has no real value beyond what you personally give it.

There is good and bad art, but that is another matter.

 

[Alex]

Videogames require the combined efforts of countless artists to be made, and therefore should be considered art.
Like, that's it, it's a purely logical conclusion.
(...)

It takes a lot of electrical work to build a modern house. But a modern house is not an electrical system.

 

[Kev Inkline]

Dwarf Fortress is surely art, the rest of the games I'm not so sure about.

 

[Lemming42]

It takes a lot of electrical work to build a modern house. But a modern house is not an electrical system.

But you could point to the electrical system which is part of the house.

So when we have video games which are made up of a combination of visual art, music, literature, and sometimes acting, all of which are individual forms of art...

 

[tritosine2k]

 

[luj1]

So when we have video games which are made up of a combination of visual art, music, literature, voice acting...

... you get a pan-art form

 

[Mitleser2020]

Do people say games aren't art anymore?

https://x.com/duns_sc0tus/status/1830067485317439960

 

[Kruyurk]

Do people say games aren't art anymore?

https://x.com/duns_sc0tus/status/1830067485317439960

Ironically, I find it really pretentious to claim to be the one deciding which games are art and which are not. Even me who smells my own farts is not that pretentious. Either any game is art (except some niche exceptions like a simulator intended for serious training), or none.

 

[POOPERSCOOPER]

Some stills may look like art until you hear the story or like people talk in the game. "DuR wE HaVE tO Kill teh DraGUn"

 

[ColossusCimmerian]

How the hell not?

Listen to the soundtrack:



Watch the intro:



Look the artwork:

artwork 1

artwork 2

artwork 3

artwork 4

Look the character portrait....

Character Portrait

 

[Kruyurk]

Some stills may look like art until you hear the story or like people talk in the game. "DuR wE HaVE tO Kill teh DraGUn"

Saying that something is art does not mean that it is good art.

 

[Nifft Batuff]

Video games are not art. Even art is not art.

 

[Kev Inkline]

I checked all those 88 online works, 14 of them were good, btw.

 

[Alex]

So when we have video games which are made up of a combination of visual art, music, literature, voice acting...

... you get a pan-art form

That is not how it works. Not anymore than saying that a human is a pan-tissue form. When thing A has a thing B inside it, that doesn't make A an B. A car is not an engine, a man is not a muscle and a written argument is not an alphabet.

You want to argue games are art? Nice, go ahead, but make an actual argument rather than just handwaving. Games can lack music, graphics and be as abstract and devoid of art in its components as possible for anything, and still be games. And still even be fun. If you want to type A games is a subtype of type B art, then you need to come up with a definition for both and hopefully draw the conclusion from that.

 

[POOPERSCOOPER]

Some stills may look like art until you hear the story or like people talk in the game. "DuR wE HaVE tO Kill teh DraGUn"

Saying that something is art does not mean that it is good art.

I just made some big pieces of art in the toilet, does that count?