Editorial GameSpy gets pissy with Fallout fans

[Voss]

Are we at this point of the 'flamed noob lashes out at the bitter cynics that vomit their own bile at the codex' argument already?

Come on, its only page 5. Well 6 now. (I knew that would happen)

Where's the stamina? Where's the originality?

 

[Diogo Ribeiro]

Tri, hate to break it to you; but I get flamed all the time.. I'm just not one to get so bothered by it to run away. Then again, being flamed is partly my fault since my posting style invites it - no matter the board. No one understands.

the difference is we have grown to like you.

I see trees so green, red roses too... :wink:

 

[Volourn]

Heh, Tri. I'm touched. Anyways, this thread is pretty boring. This guy is obviously a troll as he doesn't want a debate; his main purpose is to rile everyone up; not simply shae his opinion even if it unpopular. there is a difference.

 

[triCritical]

it is a shame you can no longer recognize your own actions.

Yeah like the time I went to the OpenGL forum and cussed somebody out for thinking that a stencil test was the most l33t element of the framebuffer.

"teh intraweb ruulz!"

W3ll l33t sp33k 4s1d3, the intra-net is much different the inter-net. Just like Federal government can't say abortion according to W's new bill is illegal for doctor's practicing intra-state, instead only inter-state.

So unless your typing from my companies network you mean INTER! Aren't you supposed to be like smart, or something.

i have shaken the very foundation of the group psyche here and left more than a few with a deep sense of loss and confusion.

Yeah, I am dumbfounded!

you know i am wonderful but find yourself unable to leave the dank pit of hate that has consumed you. one day you will realize this and wish to be my friend.

I am an American damnit. To paraphrase Clausewitz, I win by imposing my will on others!

pwnd!

i will accept you without judgement.

You know who pwnz you!

you have been granted mercy.

Isn't this what the Germans said after WW2?

it now pains me to even read what vile you produce, let alone reply to it. perhaps given time, when the grevious wounds i've inflicted upon your self-esteem and sense of manhood have healed mebbe you return to a rational point of view. until then

My self-esteem and manhood are no more. Excuse me while I jump out the proverbial window.

until then, i can only pray you're not like this in real life.

No, in real life I am jerk!

 

[Saint_Proverbius]

this is only a message board on teh intraweb

That would be interweb, an intraweb is something that's private, inside a single institution. For example, a corporation might have their own server that only the company can access from company computers in their offices all over the world. That'd be an intraweb.

 

[Azael]

Why don't Azael and Volourn get flamed off the boards. Seems like there is a flaw in your logic. Perhaps, it requires something more then just being a Bioware fan to get flamed?

WTF? When did I get grouped together with Volourn, or become a Bioware fan for that matter?

 

[mr. lamat]

Are we at this point of the 'flamed noob lashes out at the bitter cynics that vomit their own bile at the codex' argument already?

Come on, its only page 5. Well 6 now. (I knew that would happen)

Where's the stamina? Where's the originality?

i think it started with that 'argument'. there was never an attempt at originality. when it comes time to debate something of relevance, then you will behold a brilliant star. this was simply to create a hegemony against me, as when i do choose to debate in a serious manner, five or six different opponents are need to keep my interest.

 

[triCritical]

WTF? When did I get grouped together with Volourn, or become a Bioware fan for that matter?

LOL. Your right your not really a Bioware fan, you just like KotOR. I guess I just remember you as BIS mod, in which you were very tolerant with IE kids. You know whats interesting, is that I actually like KotOR (I don't think its the greatest game of the year) and Baldur's Gate ONE, but I am just a silly FO fanboi. So I am probably even more of BIoware fan then you, although I don't think they make very good CRPG's.

 

[Otaku_Hanzo]

I've said it once, and I'll say it again.... I love this forum! :D

@mr. lamat: using big words does not make you intelligent nor does it make you right. You have already proven your ignorance quite a few times on here. Quit baiting and start DEbating.

 

[Rosh]

I am off to Vienna for a holiday tomorrow, so this will (I promise) be my last post on this topic.

Bullshit, kid. You're going to keep trolling like the other attention whore. You just took the opportunity to post one more brain turd.

It seems to me so far Rosh that your sole claim to authority on Fallout is that you think you are "Fanboy #1".

No, it is something else, something which you keep missing because you are indeed a wolrd class idiot.

By my understanding you weren't involved in any way with the actual creation of any Fallout title...you are only, how shall I say this, a rabid fan boy who posted like a maniac on various Fallout forums?

Hey, you really are uneducated. Did you know that without my help, Fallout Tactics wasn't going to have an overworld screen, along with a number of other features I've noted upon, that they took what they did agree was a lacking design and added much more to it so that it did become a much better game than was originally intended?

Thank you for proving again that you have no idea of what went on. Why are you an idiot and argue about what you don't know about?

It's like I'm watching Tiger Woods play a shot straight into the bunker and commenting "That was a shitty shot" and some idiot next to me says: "You can't say that!" and when I ask why he replies "Because I'm Tiger fanboy #1 and he named his dog after me! Therefore only I can pass judgement on the Tiger".

No, it is like having some uneducated idiot say that Tiger trained on Ace of Clubs clubs when he was a rookie, that was refuted by someone else who watched Tiger Woods practice them and was friends with a personal trainer of Woods', and then have someone else come along and say some uneducated bullshit about what kind of clubs he used.

Rather than accept the simple fact that someone who has played every Fallout title released can't remember ever hearing your name before, you acuse me of lying? Grow up. I played all the titles on release - years ago - and have played dozens of titles since, and you expect me to remember some obscure reference to you in one part of one of the games. Get real.

No, I expect you to know what the hell you are talking about before you presume to waste bandwidth posting clueless drivel. Having played all the games doesn't mean a goddamn thing when discussing what the fans were upset about. Paying attention to the feedback forums DOES give such an indication. Therefore if your attention is so entirely pathetic as to miss someone who was ALL OVER the forums and talked extensively to developers, then what makes you think you really know what the main point of contentment was with the game?

Then you resort to the bullshit that the fans were upset because it wasn't a CRPG, which is again beside the point compared to the amount of dislike of what was done to the setting. The thing I have proven most of all is your ignorance of the situation, which takes your blathering based upon your ignorance to new levels of pointlessness.

When I asked you to tell me your earth-shattering contribution to the series was, you aren't even prepared to tell me? A simple answer to a simple question, but no, you'ld rather rant and rave.

You might want to go back and find where you asked that. Well, if you count this as an interrogative statement: "Since it is so earth-shatteringly important to you maybe you can enlighten me?"

What kind of utter moron goes into an argument without the facts to the level that they need to inquire about them in middle of the discussion? It didn't occur to you that when I was discussing what I helped with, it might have been what you were so gleefully posting ignorant shit about since your first post here?

Of course not. You just posted to see the words appear on the page.

Well, looking back at the original gamespy article this topic is all about, I can only conclude that the author got it right...the Fallout fans can indeed be a little bit extreme.

Only when the argumentatively clueless like yourself show up.

Maybe one positive offshoot of the cancellation of Fallout 3 is that, through the miracle of selective breeding (ie: in that no respectable woman will screw a complete nerd), the Rabid Fallout Fan Gene will slowly die out and we'll be left only with people who when they think of Fallout will have vague but fond recollections of a great CRPG experience.

Funny that we do care about the details about what went on. Too bad you couldn't bullshit your way about it, kid. Better luck next time. Speaking of trying to bullshit your way out of things, remember when you first said "since they are often illogically opposed to any Fallout spin-off that isn't entitled "Fallout 3""? Despite the rampant illogic inherent in that statement, you later amend it to mean that they were opposed to anything that wasn't a CRPG. Which was proven wrong, easily, by anyone who was around the Fallout fandom and official feedback site as much as Prov and myself have been. Which your ignorance was proven a few times over as people point out to you that you were incorrect as hell again, using the same tired and clueless argument as even the most inbred poster on FOT feeback boards saying "IT's NOT SUPPOSED TO BE AN RPG!!!!" That was not the point of contention with the game, as anyone who has been on the feedback forums and many other places to witness the number of gripes would know.

And let's also not forget your idiocy in thinking that money from FOS would help BIS make new games. Aside from the after the fact of BIS being gutted and Fo3 being canned again, money that is made by Titus/Inertplay on consoles goes towards console development and a sequel to the title if anything. Which it looks like I was entirely right now that they have gone completely console.

So far, you've displayed nothing but ignorance from one thing you've waffled on to another. Being ignorant in a debate to the level you've displayed is a bad thing, although the "Diablo fan" assumption at my use of it as an example was even more laughable and a sign of someone who is debate inept. You see, only kids put together that if I talk about one game in comparison to another, that I must be a fan of the one I'm using as a comparison.

Signing off for a few days to spend some quality time with the girl friend. :wink:

Please don't breed. We need fewer uneducated morons such as yourself.

 

[mr. lamat]

I've said it once, and I'll say it again.... I love this forum! :D

@mr. lamat: using big words does not make you intelligent nor does it make you right. You have already proven your ignorance quite a few times on here. Quit baiting and start DEbating.

you cower in fear of my intelligence and grace, causing you to lash out as you just have. all comers have broken themselves on mine shieldwall of reason and resolve. thier arrows and spears of hate have always failed to find thier mark (like those in my avatar) and lay like cheap matchsticks by my feet. the loyal soldiers under my command, good nature and poignant observation, have begun to loot this town and set it to the flame. your reaction is nothing different than the weak who came before you, crying 'ban the viking! ban the viking! we cannot overcome his might!" such is the way of things...

i offered my mercy to these wretched creatures, so broken and twisted, but they did refuse to yield. it does truly remind me of a black knight sans arms and legs, screaming "i'll bite your kneecaps, i will! c'mon! c'mon!" i shed a tear for your mothers.

if the topic of 'US foriegn policy compared to that of Japan's Greater Co-Prosperity Sphere' does ever enter the group dynamic, i will most assuredly debate. until then, i will simply box your ears.

and rosh... calm down, put on the Chris Taylor mixtape and stroke yerself. remember to do this everytime you start to post something mean.

 

[Walks with the Snails]

Wow, that's just sorta sad. It's really not hard to convince yourself you've won an Internet argument; both sides usually seem to do so quite regularly. Hey, you're living proof in this thread, so terribly anxious to declare victory when all you offered in your one attempt at real debate was something about hairy deathclaws that was summarily shot down.

And being flattered by banning attempts can mean they're scared of you, but 99% of the time it just means you're the online equivalent of a semi-literate 13-year old who thinks it's the very height of self-expression to spray-paint various poorly-constructed figures of the human anatomy on the sides of people's places of business and finds his obvious genius and unsurpassed talent cut short by "The Man", who if he's lucky suggests he practice a little more with the coloring books and refrain from using other people's property as his own little playground before fingerprinting him and sending him home to Daddy. Banning more often than not is just a safety valve against those whose own inflated sense of self-worth won't let them back down from an argument, and since unlike a regular fight the defeated doesn't lay unconscious in a pool of their own blood, any idiot can always come back for "one more post to show them bastards once and for all who's the top dog", regardless of the quality of argument they are able to provide.

 

[Jinxed]

DemonKing, you need to look at the big picture. Read some feedback, and by some, I mean more than a dozen posts. And think a little bit before you start making statements. If you played the games years ago, and don't remember a thing, why are you arguing with someone who has been active like austrialian bush fires? Face it, he knows more than someone who posted a couple of times years ago with a failing memory.

While I don't support Rosh squashing anyone who's clueless(majoring in sociology, I believe that over the years he could have actually wounded a few people psyches) he made a good number of solid points that you can't seem to either grasp or believe.

I liked BG, the music and setting made me remember the good ole days of PnP in the Forgotten Realms, but that's where it all ends. BG2 was shit, it's almost the same story replayed as it happened with FO 2. Same graphics, new items, couple of interface upgrades and a bigger game world. So was IWD which I couldn't even bring myself to finishing. I fell asleep.

I agree that it was sort of silly how Arcanum's NPC interaction always boiled down to the same statements. But I also see that at least it was better than nothing. There is room to experiment further with this, expand. Something Troika probably couldn't do because they were too busy adding multiplayer on Sierras demand.

Understand how games are developed. Why developers MUST take fans into consideration because who would buy their products otherwise? (unless you aim at creating a new fanbase)

 

[Sheriff05]

I liked BG, the music and setting made me remember the good ole days of PnP in the Forgotten Realms, but that's where it all ends. BG2 was shit,

it's nice to know you're are not alone, I was having a totally shitty day today until I came here and read that thanks!, :D

 

[Seven]

are we going for page 9 again?

 

[Rosh]

While I don't support Rosh squashing anyone who's clueless(majoring in sociology, I believe that over the years he could have actually wounded a few people psyches)

That makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Thank you.

I have, with my history and experience on the internet means of communication ever since ARPANET, given speeches at some internet and computer science classes on topics from security of dumb clients in game/app development (which is why I found Sheriff Fuckwit's argument here about it and DLLs amusing as hell) to the dynamics of social groups founded over the internet. I think you need to look at the sociological shell of the internet and how just plain positive reinforcement has little to no effect unless you have some other method to garner the impact desired. Given that I'm not female, it goes back to the proven positive reinforcement requiring a good beating with the Blunt Force Trauma of Logic beforehand. If someone needs to have their proverbial head ripped off to get them to pay attention to the topic's points, then so be it.

Anyways, good to see you again, Jinxed.

 

[triCritical]

I liked BG, the music and setting made me remember the good ole days of PnP in the Forgotten Realms, but that's where it all ends. BG2 was shit,

it's nice to know you're are not alone, I was having a totally shitty day today until I came here and read that thanks!, :D

I second that. The music, the astmophere, go into a tavern it was all so neat. There were so many different places to explore and then what happened was Bioware's steep fall into the darkside.

THE STORY DRIVEN GAME WITH LITTLE TO NO CHOICE!

 

[Otaku_Hanzo]

To be honest, I did like the first BG, but I only played it all the way through to the end once. I restarted it quite a few times with different character types, but I could only get so far into it before moving on to something else. I did enjoy my first run through the game though, I will agree with that. Hell, I didn't even try the expansion pack.

BG2, I got as far as having to rescue Imoen and just lost interest. Never even played ToB, but from what I understand and have read on this forum, I'm not missing anything. I never got to play IWD and instead went straight to IWD2 when it was released. Lost interest in it after awhile to. I believe it was some sort of ice castle maze thing or something. I remember they were breaking down some sort of ice wall but that's about it. Never made it past that spot as I just got bored with it.

I definitely agree that they fell in that "linear story with the faint illusion of choices" rut though.

 

[Vault Dweller]

I think you need to look at the sociological shell of the internet and how just plain positive reinforcement has little to no effect unless you have some other method to garner the impact desired.

I agree, there is no other way. We had a number discussion with people who came here only to tell us that a-NWN doesn't suck, b-RPG Codex does suck, c-all of the above. Although we usually try to explain our points of views and such, our opponents pay little to no attention to our arguments and stick with "you suck" untill they told to get the fuck out. I can't recall a single case where a person would at least try to understand what we are taking about if not agree with some of our points.

 

[Jed]

Boy, mr. lameass didn't last very long, did he? Whatever happened to becoming our leader and showing us the errors of our ways? So much drama, so little follow through...

 

[Diogo Ribeiro]

I can't recall a single case where a person would at least try to understand what we are taking about if not agree with some of our points.

Me. After Rosh's "positive reinforcement" on my psyche, and after debating with some of you, on that "What is it with Bioware?" thread (and others from that point onward), it was a new life Then again, i didn't came here on the first place with any of the "NWN r0x0rz and RPGCodex sukz0rz" comments, so i might be a different case.

 

[triCritical]

Boy, mr. lameass didn't last very long, did he? Whatever happened to becoming our leader and showing us the errors of our ways? So much drama, so little follow through...

Admit it, you like him. :wink:

If trolls aren't fed they wither and die!

 

[Jed]

Admit it, you like him. :wink:

D'oh--you got me! I do have to admit he was one of the more entertaining and--dare I say?--"artful" trolls we've had. And by "artful" I mean "drama queen." Oh well, no stamina I suppose; burned out too quickly.

 

[Volourn]

How quickly VD forgets me.

 

[Vault Dweller]

Huh? What are you talking about? You know that I secretly love you Ok, may be not so secretly...