Editorial GameSpy gets pissy with Fallout fans

[Elwro]

we find the amount of hatred and poor mannners we stir up even more fun. it's all about us.

So the "attention whore" label changes its bearer.

we do wish we could discuss the project we are contracting on... if only to have you grovel at our feet... but alas, we cannot due to legal agreements.

So what the hell do you expect? You just go from one board to another and say "Hey folks, I can't say anything about my project but please share your ideas"? Great thinking, o superior one!

instead you have chosen to be rude and contemptuous, not that we expected much else from such a sorry bunch... but if at least we did make the attempt. we very much look forward to having our way with you in the future.

WE've chosen to be rude & contemptous? From your first post in this topic: "such bitchy little grrls... jeez... " from one of the next: "wow... rampant paranoia, feelings of inadequacy and an inability to listen to reason or comprehend the statements of others. simply a stellar bunch some have turned out to be here, but i would not judge the whole bunch such poor showing from a few. still, i am disheartened. "
And you have to decide: either it's fault of the legal agreements, or because "we've chosen to be rude and contemptous". You're trying to base your 'argument' on two conflicting premises - if one's valid, the other's worthless.

Ban? If the disease spreads to other threads...

 

[Vault Dweller]

I find it extremely entertaining.

Yeah well, you find discussion with Volourn to be entertaining. :D

lol, what can I say? I am easily amused

we do wish we could discuss the project we are contracting on... if only to have you grovel at our feet... but alas, we cannot due to legal agreements. a shame really, as it would have been much fun to have an open discussion on the subject given what i know of the story arc and the flexibility of the new engine

OMG!! A story!!! with an ark!! and a flexible engine!!!! It's FOBOS 2: The Brotherhood strikes back

 

[mr. lamat]

you have given nothing worthy of proper dialogue. we simply found our way into a discussion, which had already taken a nasty tone towards one poster.

there are ways around what we can and cannot talk about... such as... if a game were to have a dynamic world engine, how would that open up quest/mission availiabilities? though we would ask that you move beyond the 'um... level the building with a rocketlauncher/fireball spell' type of answer...

the project was most likely green-lighted due to the great sales of morrowind goty and kotor on the x-box... but we doubt that it will be limited to that platform. we are a subcontrator to the developer, who is contracting from the publisher... this project would not be getting done without said publisher, by the way.

there is lots we can say, there are lots of questions we can ask... if we find you worthy of the challenge.

 

[Vault Dweller]

Wow, a game like MW or KOTOR for the XBOX!!! I can't believe it, our wait for the greatest RPG is over! I can't wait, tell us more

 

[Volourn]

Hmmm..Is he saying that FOBOS is like MW, or KOTOR? I sure hope not. I dislike MW greatly and all; love KOTOR; but whether one likes these games or not; how the heck do you compare crpgs (yeah; yeah; BIO's games aren't crpgs ) like these to an unabashedly action game like FOBOS? Hmm.. Unless I misread his nosensical posts...

 

[mr. lamat]

we feel that the decision by the parent company on the project to green-light it was sales related. most choices by the higher-ups usually are. we are not totally sure on said reasoning, but it does seem plausible. you will have to read between the lines to understand what it is we are choosing to share with you... but you could honestly, by this point, know the rpg universe the game takes place in. might take a bit of deductive reasoning... but we did leave clues for you... take your time, grrlz, take your time.

we already have two piss-poor assumptions above us now... please refrain from making them. it will require reason... but even otters figure out how to use sharp rocks to break open clam shells. we expect no less from you.

 

[Volourn]

Wait a sec.. I think the baloney is coming clearer... I think... Can't tell.. Can't follow. Do you mean you are working on a crpg for x-box? Or what the heck? VD (or any sane person for that matter), please translate.

 

[Elwro]

Don't tell me he's making the new Wasteland .

 

[triCritical]

Don't tell me he's making the new Wasteland .

If he is then maybe we should be nice to him... NAH!

 

[Vault Dweller]

VD (or any sane person for that matter), please translate

Affirmative. Translation:

it would have been much fun to have an open discussion on the subject given what i know of the story arc and the flexibility of the new engine

The project has some kind of story and apparently it has an engine

the project was most likely green-lighted due to the great sales of morrowind goty and kotor on the x-box....it was sales related

MW and KOTOR sold well, so now everybody is busy making MW/KOTOR clones. The project was codenamed Greed

this project would not be getting done without said publisher, by the way.

The publisher owns the rights to the property. Evidentlly nobody does original work these days. Most likely it's some DnD game, whatever. Bored now.

 

[Volourn]

Hmm.. I like that title... Greed..

 

[mr. lamat]

so far off base it's not even funny. that game has nothing to do with morrowind or kotor, in form or function. not to say that it didn't get a major bankroll and a two plus year development cycle for the project because those two sold well on the xbox... please think on that one a bit more... think til it hurts... then mebbe you'll understand.

the publisher inadvertantly holds the rights to the title. one could argue that even the original was hardly original... but it's all a moot point when you can move forward with something.

it's currently called 'project hotdog'.

 

[Walks with the Snails]

Man, when I think of all the "top secret" games that were supposed to be the next great thing until the first screenshots and developer diaries came out, my head starts to spin.

 

[Diogo Ribeiro]

Hmm....

http://www.nxn-software.com/comp_prro_p ... 031015.php

London, October 15, 2003 - Fuzzyeyes Studio, Queensland-based developer of PC games, has licensed NXN alienbrain Studio, the industry-leading asset management solution from NXN Software to securely version, track and store all the digital assets created over the course of their upcoming game: "Project Hotdog". By installing the software, the team intends to reduce the administrative overhead and enable the team to focus more on the development of high-quality, easy-to-play entertainment.

Continued:

About Fuzzyeyes Studio
Fuzzyeyes Studio (www.fuzzyeyes.com), located on the South side of Brisbane, Australia, is a multimedia software developing company, currently focusing on developing PC, PS2 and Xbox games. Fuzzyeyes aims to create easy-to-play, entertaining and stress-free PC games. The Studio is currently working on a number of exciting products including Aussie Adventure, OzFighter, Battle Wombat, Super Oz Kart, Crazy Fire Fighters, NHLA (New Human Livable Atmosphere).

About NXN Software
NXN Software (http://www.nxn-software.com) is the leading supplier of asset management systems for the digital entertainment and computer graphics industries. NXN products provide designers, programmers and project managers with a powerful framework to manage all assets throughout the development process. Companies using NXN Software include many of the world's most renowned entertainment studios, such as Sony, Electronic Arts, LucasArts and Infogrames/Atari. NXN Software has offices in Los Angeles, Paris, London, Munich and Tokyo.

Meanwhile, at the Fuzzyeyes Studio site...

Fuzzyeyes is currently working on a number of exciting products including Aussie Adventure, OzFighter, Battle Wombat, Super Oz Kart, Crazy Fire Fighters, NHLA (New Human Livable Atmosphere). A number of games are still in the concept stages, including a Diablo like ARPG that we commences development in 2003. Other concept designs cater to an extensive variety of age groups and are expected to accommodate the diverse assortment of PC gamers who participate in the current market.

So...

The publisher owns the rights to the property. Evidentlly nobody does original work these days. Most likely it's some DnD game, whatever. Bored now.

Ok, i've done my detective work for today.

The "we commences" sure reminds me of someone. Hmmm... Of course this might not be relevant at all to what's being discussed.

 

[triCritical]

Role-Player > Mr. Lamat

Anyhow Diablo-like ACRPG, and easy to use PC software does not sound like something we would salivate over.

 

[Human Shield]

Anyways....

The author of the editorial, Delsyn, said this in the official forum for the article:

XeroT wrote:
In Reply To #39
Here we go, let me start with the standard fan boy rant first. I played fallout 1, and 2, I have multiple copies of the game just so I could get the manual in paper form and not just pdf. I've run pen and paper games based on the fallout universe, and I too have absorbed countless pages of fan based fiction and "knowledge". Now that my qualifications have been presented for the fanboy elite, lets start. I didn't see any review here of Fallout Tactics, nope none at all. Did I see Mr Rausch claiming fans had killed Tactics, no I didn't see that either. I saw a minor paragraph citing a incident with one flame against a tactics screenshot. And I most certainly didn't see Mr Rausch calling fans of fallout, Clueless, Ingnorant,or Hypocritical. Its amazing to me how in 5 or 6 sentances Mr Rausch's opinion on the whole entire game market and fanbase supposedly became a uniformed attack on fans of fallout. Now I know that this whole entire posts will undoubtly be a waste of my time, after all, who am I , I can't truely be a fan , I play Tactics and I enjoy it. Do I agree with where the games are going, no. But I don't see why this was even brought to this forum. And I couldn't sit back and watch an attack, against this article, and editor,simply because he made the mistake of using the word Fallout in his article. And I most definitly wasn't going to allow it under the pretence of it coming from the "fans" ,because I am a Fan.
My Appologies Mr Rausch, not all of us are such "fans".

No need to apologize to me, I don't take the flames of the Fallout die-hards all that seriously, and I knew that by mentioning them in the article, I'd be sure to get at least a few hate mails (I got a beaut this morning and had a blast reading it out loud to my office-mate).

I played all the Fallout games, loved them - still haul them out of mothballs every now and then to play them again, but the reason I picked the Fallout fans was because the lunatic Fallout fan community is the one I, as a PC/strategy/RPG gamer, know best.I could just as easily have picked on Final Fantasy fans, Mega Man fans, Tribes fans or a few other fan communities that represent the worst of the so-called "fan-feedback" process.

These are communities that are so angry, so hostile, so insanely proprietary over a particular franchise that they literally "love it to death". The signal-to-noise ratio in their commentary is so low, I can't imagine any developer wanting to wade through pages and pages of their vitriol to get at the one or two good suggestions that are probably in there.

I replied with this:

What ever happened to right and wrong?

Some decisions are wrong no matter who sugguests them. Developers are given money and told to go ahead with their ideas, they can still make bad decisions.

It seems more people want to compromise with a crappy product because they kind of like it while disregarding any respect for previous installments.

Do you know what fan-fiction is? It is mostly bad stories loosely based on a previous work, usually containing flawed views of the setting. Well now when original developers move around and companies are able to keep copyrights, new games in series just seem like fan-fiction. Fallout Tactics was bad fan-fiction, so is Brotherhood of Steel.

There are fans that like any fan-fiction and those that want higher quality stuff.

Many Matrix "fans" write fan-fiction but should they be given 100 mil to make another sequel" It would be in the same "setting", wouldn't it? That is what is happening today.

The "hardcore" Fallout fans respect the setting more then "love" it. They very much enjoyed the first game but their love didn't blind them to the flaws in Fallout 2 or the massive mistakes in Tactics. It seems like everyone wants a fan base that will shallow whatever is given to them regardless if it rapes the setting.[/quote]

 

[mr. lamat]

it is a much different project hotdog. we thank you for trying though. it was cute and did make us giggle.

 

[Vault Dweller]

Yep, Hotdog is such a common name for a project

 

[Jed]

Would you guys stop egging this chimp on.

Ooh, I got a big secret that I was going to tell you, but since you weren't nice you have to lick my ass to find out. Meehh.

Get real, Mr. Asshat. That kind of playground "psychology" doesn't cut it around here. Go back to your people on the Interplay boards.

 

[Rosh]

I followed the development of Fallout back when it was a GURPS game, was there for the release of Fallout 2 diligently bagging Feargus on the interplay boards for the rampant bugginess, and even finished FOT (*shudder*), but I've never heard of Rosh...nor do I expect him to have heard of me.

Amusing lie, but also a pathetic one. You see, I was ALL OVER those forums, often talking with Hendee, and Bishop before he joined BIS. That was where a number of Fallout communities started at various points.

If his ego can't accept that, it ain't my problem.

I told you, it wasn't ego. Now stop mouth-stuffing like a debate inept chimp and learn how to read. It would have been hard to miss me on the Interplay Fallout and Fallout 2 forums as I was all over them, especially during the period that you claimed to have been bagging Feargus.

Oh, and to further prove that you're a lying shit, you couldn't really have finished FOT and missed the reference towards me in the game. I think your claim of having finished FOT is quite proven to be a lie.

You see? This is how it works. You post up incorrect, clueless bullshit and I tear it apart and I tear you apart for expecting me to put up with it. Please don't bother to whine anymore.

 

[DemonKing]

I followed the development of Fallout back when it was a GURPS game, was there for the release of Fallout 2 diligently bagging Feargus on the interplay boards for the rampant bugginess, and even finished FOT (*shudder*), but I've never heard of Rosh...nor do I expect him to have heard of me.

Amusing lie, but also a pathetic one. You see, I was ALL OVER those forums, often talking with Hendee, and Bishop before he joined BIS. That was where a number of Fallout communities started at various points.

If his ego can't accept that, it ain't my problem.

I told you, it wasn't ego. Now stop mouth-stuffing like a debate inept chimp and learn how to read. It would have been hard to miss me on the Interplay Fallout and Fallout 2 forums as I was all over them, especially during the period that you claimed to have been bagging Feargus.

Oh, and to further prove that you're a lying shit, you couldn't really have finished FOT and missed the reference towards me in the game. I think your claim of having finished FOT is quite proven to be a lie.

You see? This is how it works. You post up incorrect, clueless bullshit and I tear it apart and I tear you apart for expecting me to put up with it. Please don't bother to whine anymore.

You really are an ego maniac Rosh...

I'm not saying you weren't around, only that I can't remember you from any other poster. Can you remember the name of every poster from every message board you've frequented from over 6 years ago?

Also you may well have had a "role" in FOT - but if you did I can't remember it. Since it is so earth-shatteringly important to you maybe you can enlighten me? I remember the bit at the end with the body-squishing machine that allowed your brain to take over the world if you chose but that's about it.

What can I say, I'm an old man in my thirties. Maybe my memory is fuzzy.

Anyway - given that BIS was disolved today and Fallout 3 is dead, I would rather contemplate the loss of a (once-great) game studio then waste time trying to make you understand that you aren't that significant in the greater scheme of things...even in the Fallout universe.

Sorry to disappoint.

 

[Otaku_Hanzo]

What can I say, I'm an old man in my thirties. Maybe my memory is fuzzy.

Shame on you! You're SUPPOSED to say:

"I'm a YOUNG man in my thirties. I did too much acid in my youth, and now my memory is shot to hell."

But that could just be me.

 

[Rosh]

You really are an ego maniac Rosh...

You're the one who is saying it, not I. I'm just pointing out that it is really laughable to claim to have followed the Fallout community at any length and to not have heard of me at length. At that point, you're either a liar or just an idiot. You could be both for all I know, you do a wonderful job of fitting both.

I'm not saying you weren't around, only that I can't remember you from any other poster. Can you remember the name of every poster from every message board you've frequented from over 6 years ago?

I could probably put good money down on the fact that you were a nobody there and pretty much didn't do anything worth notice. That sounds like about your speed considering you are absolute shit at paying attention to what is going on and instead have to resort to poor trolling. Those who are familiar with the events of what happened will remember me for one vital point.

I was in middle of that, started it, and that is the relevent point of the topic. It isn't about you posting on the Fallout 2 forum, although it would have been really hard to miss me since I was there in a good amount, moderated the forums of the two biggest and oldest Fallout fan sites that are still around today, and I managed to get more than a few idiot trolls like yourself tossed out.

It is more about the controversey that started about Fallout Tactics on the forums (could you even make a guess as to which one it was?) and for why it was started.

Also you may well have had a "role" in FOT - but if you did I can't remember it.

Funny, since it was quite remarkable, to the point that I got a ton of e-mail over it. It was pretty hard for anyone who was familiar with the Fallout fan sites and official site to not notice the reference, especially given the hairy DeathClaws and other points of the Fallout setting and the debate over them and how I was in the middle of it with MicroForté employees, how the game was really held in contention versus how the GameSpy idiot has it depicted, and how Chris Taylor felt concerned enough to give me a phone call. It is quite difficult to miss all that.

Therefore, I say it again. You are a liar.

Since it is so earth-shatteringly important to you maybe you can enlighten me?

Why? Like with every other part of the "debate", you keep spewing shit and can't bother to back it up or at least stick to the topic, instead preferring to go on about my supposed egotism and whine in a non-relevent manner. You post non-sequiturs that have no backing of fact, you post things about "Fallout fans" when you have proven you know jack shit for the goings on in the Fallout community, and now you're just being a waste of bandwidth.

I remember the bit at the end with the body-squishing machine that allowed your brain to take over the world if you chose but that's about it.

And I'm supposed to be impressed with your ability to find a walkthrough...how?

Anyway - given that BIS was disolved today and Fallout 3 is dead, I would rather contemplate the loss of a (once-great) game studio then waste time trying to make you understand that you aren't that significant in the greater scheme of things...even in the Fallout universe.

Another pathetic dodge, troll boy. Either get into the discussion or get off the board.

 

[mr. lamat]

you are one of the saddest people i have ever encountered. jeebus. mebbe you are 'teh reehul fallout fan' and i'm happy for you, happy at a thousand feet cuz you sound like one rabid fanboi. nma has been in my bookmarks for years and i don't have a clue who you are. mebbe cuz i never bother to read message boards cuz they're always so full of no talent ass clowns like yourself. seriously grrl, get a grip... you got a phone call... oh my lord... did you tape it? do you stroke yourself to the sound of Chris Taylor's voice every night? it's just pathetic...

flame on my loyal subjects, flame on.

 

[Rosh]

you are one of the saddest people i have ever encountered. jeebus.

And you just set yourself up to resemble one of the more clueless I've seen.

mebbe you are 'teh reehul fallout fan' and i'm happy for you, happy at a thousand feet cuz you sound like one rabid fanboi.

Funny how you turn that to ad hominem when all I was doing is displaying the utter lack of clue on DemonKing's part. You've just set yourself up for the same.

nma has been in my bookmarks for years and i don't have a clue who you are.

Then you probably didn't read it for some time because I've done the news a plethora of times ofver the years, plus I've worked on several parts of the content.

mebbe cuz i never bother to read message boards cuz they're always so full of no talent ass clowns like yourself.

Irony!

seriously grrl, get a grip... you got a phone call... oh my lord... did you tape it? do you stroke yourself to the sound of Chris Taylor's voice every night? it's just pathetic...

flame on my loyal subjects, flame on.

Someone go ahead and get rid of the troll. The little chucklehead has lost their amusement value and is just topic picking.