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02:22 - Defining CRPG (and RPG history)
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'cRPG' is supposed to expand to 'computer roleplaying game' but the meaning implied by that name is sort of lost. Some people call them 'classic roleplaying games'.

cRPGs are roleplaying games that are designed in a style that was common in the 90s, including titles such as Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, Icewind Dale, Planescape Torment, Wasteland 1, Fallout 1 and 2, and so on.

Mechanically, that genre was partly defined by:
- Emphasis on choices (and their effect on the world, narrative, or characters)
- Multiple methods of completing quests
- Text-based or text-heavy dialogue
- Top-down view of the game world (isometric mostly)
- Stat-based interaction with the game world (skill checks for additional options in dialogue or exploration, and so on)
- Playing with a single customized character or in a party with companions
- A lot of lore
- A good amount of them also used the same engine, called the infinity engine, and so they have a really distinct (read: brown) visual and art style. Some newer games have kept traces of this visual style.


These games sort of died out in popularity in the early 2000s with the rise of console gaming and 3d engines, so they weren't really developed anymore for a while.
The mid-2010s saw a release of a few games in this style, crowdfunded through Kickstarter and fig.
This is the reason the games in that list are described as part of a revival.

Any corrections to the above are welcome

you what
 

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'cRPG' is supposed to expand to 'computer roleplaying game' but the meaning implied by that name is sort of lost. Some people call them 'classic roleplaying games'.

cRPGs are roleplaying games that are designed in a style that was common in the 90s, including titles such as Baldur's Gate 1 and 2, Icewind Dale, Planescape Torment, Wasteland 1, Fallout 1 and 2, and so on.

Mechanically, that genre was partly defined by:
- Emphasis on choices (and their effect on the world, narrative, or characters)
- Multiple methods of completing quests
- Text-based or text-heavy dialogue
- Top-down view of the game world (isometric mostly)
- Stat-based interaction with the game world (skill checks for additional options in dialogue or exploration, and so on)
- Playing with a single customized character or in a party with companions
- A lot of lore
- A good amount of them also used the same engine, called the infinity engine, and so they have a really distinct (read: brown) visual and art style. Some newer games have kept traces of this visual style.


These games sort of died out in popularity in the early 2000s with the rise of console gaming and 3d engines, so they weren't really developed anymore for a while.
The mid-2010s saw a release of a few games in this style, crowdfunded through Kickstarter and fig.
This is the reason the games in that list are described as part of a revival.

Any corrections to the above are welcome

you what

Where is that text from? I watched the part of the video where he describes the history of the term CRPG (note that he avoids to define the "RPG" part and only focuses on the C part and what it meant originally and how it was used over the recent years until recently and nowadays) and he didn't say anything like that. I did a quick search on Google and the only hit i found was a thread on NeoGAF for this video with the text you wrote above added by whoever posted that video when he was told that he should put the part where NeverKnowsBest defines CRPG in text form (but this isn't what NKB said).

There is a ~12 minute explanation interwoven with history of CRPGs so it isn't that easy to put a specific transcription with the definition, however the definition part of the video ends with this which is close enough:

the video said:
CRPG used to mean Computer RPG and was a term used to differentiate video game RPGs from traditional non-video game RPGs. Over time it came to be used as a term to specifically refer to older video game RPGs because RPGs started to change [note that he goes over how the RPGs used to be and changed over time in the previous part to show how they changed].

However in more recent years CRPG has come to refer to both older RPGs and modern RPGs that are similar in design to those older examples [mentioned in the video] and CRPG should be thought of as a subcategory of RPG. If you want, you can think of CRPGs as "Classic RPGs" because while this is not what the C stand for, that description make a lot of sense.

And that's it, we defined what a CRPG is, hurray. Was this long painful explanation worth it? Who knows. Am i losing my sanity? Who cares. The point is we can finally move on to the real topic of this video and hopefully i will never ever have to define CRPG again.

And so, on to the reviews.
 

Bad Sector

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So i watched the entire of NeverKnowsBest' video and i think his reviews are fine, though nothing that would be unknown to anyone visiting here. But it does the job for personal bias reaffirmation :-P

MadMaxHellfire:
From where did you buy the game? Back when it was new i ordered it from UK (IIRC) and for me it was just a plain DVD case :-(
 

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Did anyone else not experience any of the bugs this guy is showing off?

95 percent of the bugs I've ever experienced in games, including Alpha Protocol, are just boring "crash to desktop" type stuff. Never saw anything like those in my runs through the game.
 

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Did anyone else not experience any of the bugs this guy is showing off?
AP was a bug-free experience for me, glitchy animations were the worst thing that i've encountered (played with the only patch, the one that makes the game DRM-free).
 

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I forgot I had unsubscribed that dude when he ranted about conspiracies being a problem in current year or whatever.
you mean you didn't skim through chris davis's twitter for 5 seconds and immediately deduce that he was in fact a boring anglo socialist with no interesting takes at all whatsoever? damn bro..
 

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Codex 2016 - The Age of Grimoire Make the Codex Great Again! Grab the Codex by the pussy Codex Year of the Donut Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 Steve gets a Kidney but I don't even get a tag.
I forgot I had unsubscribed that dude when he ranted about conspiracies being a problem in current year or whatever.
In the current video he bitches about capitalism and starts jerking off to communism.

In the Deus Ex: Invisible War one? Just for curiosity, when in the video?
 

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