Baron Dupek
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Far from it.FO4 all over again.
yeah FO4 is betterFar from it.FO4 all over again.
Holy fuck.
This is one of the rare cases where i find a video that is packed with someone's opinions and very long and i agree with pretty much all of them (except a few i have no opinion about because i made a single playthrough). Great video.
I especially loved the mini rant in part 2 about the many complaints with people saying the game is 'not an rpg' only because they didn't liked it even though Witcher 3 had shallower mechanics and yet didn't had such a reaction because people liked it more (honestly, i'm not making that part justice with my description, watch it :-P). Also how deep RPGs are pretty much dead in the mainstream industry.
Unsurprisingly, several comments (from those i bothered to read, there are 1k+ comments there) didn't like that bit and expectedly the reasons they give for it not being an RPG either have nothing to do with the game's mechanics or miss the point of the comparison with Witcher 3 which didn't have such a backlash about its 'RPG-ness' :-P.
Holy fuck.
This is one of the rare cases where i find a video that is packed with someone's opinions and very long and i agree with pretty much all of them (except a few i have no opinion about because i made a single playthrough). Great video.
I especially loved the mini rant in part 2 about the many complaints with people saying the game is 'not an rpg' only because they didn't liked it even though Witcher 3 had shallower mechanics and yet didn't had such a reaction because people liked it more (honestly, i'm not making that part justice with my description, watch it :-P). Also how deep RPGs are pretty much dead in the mainstream industry.
Unsurprisingly, several comments (from those i bothered to read, there are 1k+ comments there) didn't like that bit and expectedly the reasons they give for it not being an RPG either have nothing to do with the game's mechanics or miss the point of the comparison with Witcher 3 which didn't have such a backlash about its 'RPG-ness' :-P.
I like NKB's videos but the whole Witcher vs. Cyberpunk section is a hulking strawman. Innumerable people are - and were - criticizing Cyberpunk as an RPG for reasons that have nothing whatsoever to do with The Witcher series. And CDPozzjekt knew this themselves, because they stopped marketing it as an RPG and switched to calling it an "open-world action-adventure". He throws out wild fallacies like "nobody said anything about Witcher 2" and "they liked it because it had a great story", even pulling out the old "well you can't argue about whether a game is an RPG or not anyway :>)". He ends the segment with, and I quote:
"If you want to dislike Cyberpunk 2077 don't try to claim because it's a shallow RPG. Find a reason to dislike it that's actually true."
He made this video far too early, with his head still full of youtube bandwagoning or random twitter or 4chinz memes about GTA and dangerhairs. He should've focused on the "review" parts of the video (which are fine) and held off on trying to analyze the game in the context of the RPG genre. As it is the video is immediately dated, and I doubt it'll be seen much outside of Cyberpozz shills spamming it to win arguments with those hardcore old-school CRPG enthusiasts who think Witcher 3 is the epitome of RPGs - a demographic that apparently constitute the bulk of Cyberpunk critics, in his mind.
Holy fuck.
This is one of the rare cases where i find a video that is packed with someone's opinions and very long and i agree with pretty much all of them (except a few i have no opinion about because i made a single playthrough). Great video.
I especially loved the mini rant in part 2 about the many complaints with people saying the game is 'not an rpg' only because they didn't liked it even though Witcher 3 had shallower mechanics and yet didn't had such a reaction because people liked it more (honestly, i'm not making that part justice with my description, watch it :-P). Also how deep RPGs are pretty much dead in the mainstream industry.
Unsurprisingly, several comments (from those i bothered to read, there are 1k+ comments there) didn't like that bit and expectedly the reasons they give for it not being an RPG either have nothing to do with the game's mechanics or miss the point of the comparison with Witcher 3 which didn't have such a backlash about its 'RPG-ness' :-P.
I like NKB's videos but the whole Witcher vs. Cyberpunk section is a hulking strawman. Innumerable people are - and were - criticizing Cyberpunk as an RPG for reasons that have nothing whatsoever to do with The Witcher series. And CDPozzjekt knew this themselves, because they stopped marketing it as an RPG and switched to calling it an "open-world action-adventure". He throws out wild fallacies like "nobody said anything about Witcher 2" and "they liked it because it had a great story", even pulling out the old "well you can't argue about whether a game is an RPG or not anyway :>)". He ends the segment with, and I quote:
"If you want to dislike Cyberpunk 2077 don't try to claim because it's a shallow RPG. Find a reason to dislike it that's actually true."
He made this video far too early, with his head still full of youtube bandwagoning or random twitter or 4chinz memes about GTA and dangerhairs. He should've focused on the "review" parts of the video (which are fine) and held off on trying to analyze the game in the context of the RPG genre. As it is the video is immediately dated, and I doubt it'll be seen much outside of Cyberpozz shills spamming it to win arguments with those hardcore old-school CRPG enthusiasts who think Witcher 3 is the epitome of RPGs - a demographic that apparently constitute the bulk of Cyberpunk critics, in his mind.
Probably wants to get his share of the views due controversy and get the sweet sweet adbucks.
So... is CP an RPG?I like NKB's videos but the whole Witcher vs. Cyberpunk section is a hulking strawman. Innumerable people are - and were - criticizing Cyberpunk as an RPG for reasons that have nothing whatsoever to do with The Witcher series. And CDPozzjekt knew this themselves, because they stopped marketing it as an RPG and switched to calling it an "open-world action-adventure". He throws out wild fallacies like "nobody said anything about Witcher 2" and "they liked it because it had a great story", even pulling out the old "well you can't argue about whether a game is an RPG or not anyway :>)". He ends the segment with, and I quote:
"If you want to dislike Cyberpunk 2077 don't try to claim because it's a shallow RPG. Find a reason to dislike it that's actually true."
He made this video far too early, with his head still full of youtube bandwagoning or random twitter or 4chinz memes about GTA and dangerhairs. He should've focused on the "review" parts of the video (which are fine) and held off on trying to analyze the game in the context of the RPG genre. As it is the video is immediately dated, and I doubt it'll be seen much outside of Cyberpozz shills spamming it to win arguments with those hardcore old-school CRPG enthusiasts who think Witcher 3 is the epitome of RPGs - a demographic that apparently constitute the bulk of Cyberpunk critics, in his mind.
First you must define what is an RPG.So... is CP an RPG?
I like NKB's videos but the whole Witcher vs. Cyberpunk section is a hulking strawman. Innumerable people are - and were - criticizing Cyberpunk as an RPG for reasons that have nothing whatsoever to do with The Witcher series. And CDPozzjekt knew this themselves, because they stopped marketing it as an RPG and switched to calling it an "open-world action-adventure". He throws out wild fallacies like "nobody said anything about Witcher 2" and "they liked it because it had a great story", even pulling out the old "well you can't argue about whether a game is an RPG or not anyway :>)". He ends the segment with, and I quote:
"If you want to dislike Cyberpunk 2077 don't try to claim because it's a shallow RPG. Find a reason to dislike it that's actually true."
I like NKB's videos but the whole Witcher vs. Cyberpunk section is a hulking strawman. Innumerable people are - and were - criticizing Cyberpunk as an RPG for reasons that have nothing whatsoever to do with The Witcher series. And CDPozzjekt knew this themselves, because they stopped marketing it as an RPG and switched to calling it an "open-world action-adventure". He throws out wild fallacies like "nobody said anything about Witcher 2" and "they liked it because it had a great story", even pulling out the old "well you can't argue about whether a game is an RPG or not anyway :>)". He ends the segment with, and I quote:
"If you want to dislike Cyberpunk 2077 don't try to claim because it's a shallow RPG. Find a reason to dislike it that's actually true."
I think you're also missing the point of the Witcher 3 comparison.
The point (with which i fully agree) is quite simple: Witcher 3's RPG mechanics are more shallow than Cyberpunk 2077's RPG mechanics so the backlash about Cyberpunk 2077 not being an RPG is really about not liking Cyberpunk 2077 as Witcher 3 didn't have such a backlash because people actually liked it. The entire part is really about how people have double standards about calling a game an RPG based on if they like it or not instead of its actual mechanics.
This also isn't about if Witcher 3 or Cyberpunk 2077 is the better game (he even overlays some bit of text there saying that he likes Witcher 3 more) but purely about the whole "is Cyberpunk 2077 an RPG?" to which the video essentially responds with "if you thought Witcher 3 is an RPG then certainly Cyberpunk 2077 is also an RPG and even has deeper mechanics compared to Witcher 3".
He uses the strawman of Witcher 3 as a shield to defend Cyberpunk against criticism of its "RPG" mechanics. His criticisms of W3 are all entirely true and fair, they're also completely meaningless in the context of whether Cyberpunk is a shitty RPG or not.
He uses the strawman of Witcher 3 as a shield to defend Cyberpunk against criticism of its "RPG" mechanics. His criticisms of W3 are all entirely true and fair, they're also completely meaningless in the context of whether Cyberpunk is a shitty RPG or not.
He even mentions outright in the video that CP2077 has shallow RPG mechanics and if you want anything deeper you should either look at years past or in smaller titles while showing examples of both.
Jimquisition.