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At this pace he might review every CD Projekt game before Joseph Anderson finish his Twitcher 3 analysis
who am I kiddin
 

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At this pace he might review every CD Projekt game before Joseph Anderson finish his Twitcher 3 analysis
who am I kiddin
Didn't he close his patreon and said it ain't happening?
or he did that and then reopened it again... but not sure about that
if he did Elden Ring video then maybe TW3 may still be a thing in the far, far future? Or his brain fully rot from all that weaboo garbo and give up...
 

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And from our cryptodexer russkiy liberast,

in the first two minutes he claims that Fallout wasn't influential at all, and that Fallout successors that play like Fallout don't exist.

Is this some kind of joke delivered in a deadpan manner? I'm not watching the whole video to find out if he ever mentions Atom rpg, Underrail, or any other game inspired by Fallout.
 

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And from our cryptodexer russkiy liberast,

in the first two minutes he claims that Fallout wasn't influential at all, and that Fallout successors that play like Fallout don't exist.

Is this some kind of joke delivered in a deadpan manner? I'm not watching the whole video to find out if he ever mentions Atom rpg, Underrail, or any other game inspired by Fallout.

He doesn't, but he does make a decent point that Fallout 1 and 2 aren't as nuanced eith its C&C as fans imply. There's a clear good option with obvious benefits, and then there's a bad option that is almost always weaker narratively, rewards wise and impact in the game world.

He does mention that Fallout 1 and 2 does expect honest imagination from the player though, there's no "I Win" buttons by meeting a skill check. Either you're clever enough to think to reverse pick-pocket a grenade, or you're not.
 

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in the first two minutes he claims that Fallout wasn't influential at all, and that Fallout successors that play like Fallout don't exist.

Is this some kind of joke delivered in a deadpan manner? I'm not watching the whole video to find out if he ever mentions Atom rpg, Underrail, or any other game inspired by Fallout.

He doesn't mention these two games and i also had that exact reaction initially but after watching the entire video i think he does have a point in terms of how Fallout implemented its C&C - though "no influence" is probably hyperbole. I think he probably meant that the games inspired by it do not use Fallout's approach to implementing their C&C.

Some brought up Underrail, ATOM RPG and Encased in the comments and he wrote that of these ATOM RPG "is the only legit Fallout-style game", though he didn't expand on that. Perhaps he plans on making a video on it at some point though since from what i see in his channel he hasn't any about it.
 

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At this pace he might review every CD Projekt game before Joseph Anderson finish his Twitcher 3 analysis
who am I kiddin
Didn't he close his patreon and said it ain't happening?
or he did that and then reopened it again... but not sure about that
if he did Elden Ring video then maybe TW3 may still be a thing in the far, far future? Or his brain fully rot from all that weaboo garbo and give up...

He was still joking about working on that analysis in late 2022.


https://twitter.com/jph_anderson/status/1586885397338112002


https://twitter.com/jph_anderson/status/1585429014457778176
 

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I have to change one line in the Witcher 3 video. This will result in another 3 month delay
Ha ha, that's a good joke, bro. Fuckin' hell, why would someone even watch his lengthy word salads?
 

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in the first two minutes he claims that Fallout wasn't influential at all, and that Fallout successors that play like Fallout don't exist.

Is this some kind of joke delivered in a deadpan manner?
His case is that people understand C&C in the "Biowarian" context of having two or more scripted/context sensitive options that the player must equally consider, which is largely absent in the original fallouts.
I don't really agree tbh, Light Side/Dark Side, Open Hand/Closed Fist, and Paragon/Renegade all fit the same Correct/Contrarian dichotomy Fallout 1/2 have, even if the games insist otherwise.
I'm not watching the whole video to find out if he ever mentions Atom rpg, Underrail, or any other game inspired by Fallout.
At the end he says his next big project is New Vegas but before that he wants to do a vid on his "favorite indie developer" and then shows a clip of Colony Ship.
 

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I don't really agree tbh, Light Side/Dark Side, Open Hand/Closed Fist, and Paragon/Renegade all fit the same Correct/Contrarian dichotomy Fallout 1/2 have, even if the games insist otherwise.

The main difference is that one is scripted and/or provided in a very clear "this is a choice" manner (almost always via the dialog system) whereas in Fallout 1/2 the Correct/Contrarian is more of a goal towards that you go through the games' mechanics, often by choices that you previously made going back to the character creation screen. In the video he even points out the various ways to approach the same overall goal, sometimes with different character builds, before mentioning what he did.
 

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whereas in Fallout 1/2 the Correct/Contrarian is more of a goal towards that you go through the games' mechanics, often by choices that you previously made going back to the character creation screen.
I get it I just disagree that this is the "special sauce" that makes Fallout/Arcanum classics since by his admission, that most would agree with, neither game sticks the landing. "Fallout is great" and "Real Fallout has never been tried" cannot both be correct.
We are also getting dangerously close to vindicating Skyrim freaks who spend 15 minutes watching the log cutting animation to save up gold and tell themselves "This is roleplaying, I'm telling my own story.".
 
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There's now higher chance for a Quake to return, unlike Unreal which was removed from the Epic's history...
 

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I get it I just disagree that this is the "special sauce" that makes Fallout/Arcanum classics since by his admission, that most would agree with, neither game sticks the landing. "Fallout is great" and "Real Fallout has never been tried" cannot both be correct.

I agree with the latter bit ("fallout is great", etc), but not with the former - regardless what Warlockracy claims, IMO this (i.e. that C&C isn't just about dialog choices but the entire mechanics, of which the dialog system is just one part) is what makes Fallout and Arcanum great (of course a game being great is not the same as a game being perfect and at the same time a game not being perfect doesn't mean a game is bad).

We are also getting dangerously close to vindicating Skyrim freaks who spend 15 minutes watching the log cutting animation to save up gold and tell themselves "This is roleplaying, I'm telling my own story.".

I don't see how that follows TBH, what you describe isn't something that Skyrim's mechanics force, just something players decide to do themselves. There is no game-enforced consequences to any choices the player made there.
 

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Anyone remembers Classic Game Room (CGR)?
Mark is back because other options (books, comics, music, etc.) failed.
The bad news is - they will be on TikTok and Instagram, he still have beef with YT for some reasons. Maybe he switch to Rumble or Odysee.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CrPWg2Sgmfe/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
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summary of what happend, if anyone cares
So, some of you asked what happened to Mark and CGR. I've followed CGR for a long time and this is my understanding of how things went down.

When Mark started CGR, he had advantages over most youtubers of the time. His father owned what I believe was a production company. It gave him access to better equipment and all the things that come along with that. At the time, there were way less youtubers doing his style of game reviews. That paired with his charisma, humor, and decent production, the channel blew up. CGR began making quite a bit of money from the YT channel. Mark hired a team and rented out an office building and giant garage, which you've probably seen in his videos. Once YT began making changes to monetization, the revenue from the channel dropped significantly. He was forced to close down his office and let his team go. I think at this point, he was doing the show from a small storage unit. At some point in all of this, he left YT, then came back. Eventually, he abandoned his YT channel altogether and stopped making gaming videos. Mark changed his mind again, then CGR moved to Amazon and he started a new show. The fanbase hated it. He cancelled it and gave up on gaming videos - again. In the past few years, Mark started using YT again. He changed the name of his YT channel numerous times and the focus of his YT channel changed every time I'd look at it. At one point, he was doing reviews on art pens, comics, action figures, and other nonsense that no one gave a shit about. During this time, Classic Game Room became Classic Game Room Publishing where he sells books that are illustrated with art and photos that are in the public domain. He also draws and sells his own comics. Also worth mentioning, Mark set up a Patreon where backer rewards were very late or never arrived at all. The real nail in the coffin for CGR though and any hope of Mark returning to gaming videos was selling his game collection on Ebay. The worst part about it, fans identified games and hardware they had sent to the show years ago. He didn't reach out to anyone to return any of the donations to the channel. That didn't sit well with a lot of people.

Mark has been called out by his fan base for his shadiness and questionable decisions. He's been pretty shitty with his fans and seems to have no regard for them. It's been sad to see how the CGR channel fell apart and Mark turn on his fan base. You can do a real deep dive on this if you look on the CGR subreddit.
tl;dr sold the whole collection on eBay
 

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