Incline Heretic Shadow of the serpent riders

[anvi]

Well yea but so what, WoW is king by that metric. Did you ever try WoW?

 

[octavius]

Heretic has the inventory system which is a big step up over Doom. Save up your Ring of Invulnerability and Tome of Power and then just turn bosses into a joke, muahaha.

The kind of game Raven were trying to make back then is really fascinating because they never quite seemed to get exactly what they wanted, despite making some superb games in the process. You can see as early as ShadowCaster that they really wanted to figure out some kind of fusion between FPS games, adventure games, and cRPGs, and they almost did.

For me Raven is the company that always delivered good, competent games, but they never quite managed greatness, at least up to and including Soldier of Fortune, not sure about their newer games.

 

[Beans00]

Did you ever try WoW?

For like an hour, not my thing because I don't play games for pve. Obviously much higher quality than everquest though.

 

[anvi]

Did you ever try WoW?

For like an hour, not my thing because I don't play games for pve. Obviously much higher quality than everquest though.

WoW has lots of good PVP and full pvp servers. It is slick compared to EQ but it's much much dumber and simplified. The PVE at least, the PVP in WoW is probably better.

 

[Beans00]

Did you ever try WoW?

For like an hour, not my thing because I don't play games for pve. Obviously much higher quality than everquest though.

WoW has lots of good PVP and full pvp servers. It is slick compared to EQ but it's much much dumber and simplified. The PVE at least, the PVP in WoW is probably better.

If it's not full loot then it's not pvp. It's larpers pretending to do pvp.

I didn't like the direction blizzard took with wc3 so I didn't care to try wow. I don't feel like I missed out on anything, but I would stupid to claim it wasn't at one point a well made game(obviously it's falling apart for the last few years).

 

[anvi]

Heretic has the inventory system which is a big step up over Doom. Save up your Ring of Invulnerability and Tome of Power and then just turn bosses into a joke, muahaha.

The kind of game Raven were trying to make back then is really fascinating because they never quite seemed to get exactly what they wanted, despite making some superb games in the process. You can see as early as ShadowCaster that they really wanted to figure out some kind of fusion between FPS games, adventure games, and cRPGs, and they almost did.

For me Raven is the company that always delivered good, competent games, but they never quite managed greatness, at least up to and including Soldier of Fortune, not sure about their newer games.

SOF was amazing and SOF2, they were doing the CoD/Battlefield type FPS gameplay long before those games. Military type shooters are kinda dull to me though, I wanted more games like Heretic with magic and weapons.

 

[anvi]

Did you ever try WoW?

For like an hour, not my thing because I don't play games for pve. Obviously much higher quality than everquest though.

WoW has lots of good PVP and full pvp servers. It is slick compared to EQ but it's much much dumber and simplified. The PVE at least, the PVP in WoW is probably better.

If it's not full loot then it's not pvp. It's larpers pretending to do pvp.

I didn't like the direction blizzard took with wc3 so I didn't care to try wow. I don't feel like I missed out on anything, but I would stupid to claim it wasn't at one point a well made game(obviously it's falling apart for the last few years).

Hardly anything has full loot pvp, it would be too brutal in an MMO because they take so long to get gear. It would be more fun in an action game like NOX.

 

[Falksi]

Great series, criminally overlooked by the mainstream public.

Hexen 2 is an all-time fave of mine, I just utterly love it's world and it's sense of adventure.

 

[NecroLord]

Heretic has the inventory system which is a big step up over Doom. Save up your Ring of Invulnerability and Tome of Power and then just turn bosses into a joke, muahaha.

The kind of game Raven were trying to make back then is really fascinating because they never quite seemed to get exactly what they wanted, despite making some superb games in the process. You can see as early as ShadowCaster that they really wanted to figure out some kind of fusion between FPS games, adventure games, and cRPGs, and they almost did.

For me Raven is the company that always delivered good, competent games, but they never quite managed greatness, at least up to and including Soldier of Fortune, not sure about their newer games.

Heretic, Hexen, Elite Force, Soldier of Fortune, Jedi Outcast, Jedi Academy.

Those guys were DELIVERING one great title after another.
Shame about Raven's ultimate fate...

 

[luj1]

Jedi Outcast

We played the shit out of this in LAN dens. It was funny when we discovered you can force push rockets back to the enemy

 

[NecroLord]

Jedi Outcast

We played the shit out of this in LAN dens. It was funny when we discovered you can force push rockets back to the enemy

Yeah, it had so much cool stuff
Like combining Lightning and Force Push to send your enemies flying.
Or Force Grip followed by Lightsaber Throw.
Jedi Academy has even better lightsaber combat, a lot more fluid and more lightsaber moves that can be performed.

 

[luj1]

Or Force Grip followed by Lightsaber Throw.

Old gimmick

 

[luj1]

Jedi Academy has even better lightsaber combat, a lot more fluid and more lightsaber moves that can be performed.

But somehow it never lived up to the original somehow

 

[Beans00]

Soldier of fortune might be my next thread, the shotgun in that game was like a howitzer lol.

 

[anvi]

Shadowcaster was interesting. Did you see the "3D mouse" that was being sold around that time? (And compatible with that game)

 

[anvi]

Soldier of fortune might be my next thread, the shotgun in that game was like a howitzer lol.

I think either that game or the sequel was the first time you could shoot individual body parts. Before that the entire character was one big blob. But in SOF you could shoot someone in the foot or leg and they would limp. I think you could shoot arms and they drop the gun iirc. You could certainly blow limbs off.

 

[NecroLord]

Jedi Academy has even better lightsaber combat, a lot more fluid and more lightsaber moves that can be performed.

But somehow it never lived up to the original somehow

Maybe it was the level design?
Jedi Academy is more linear, while Outcast had a lot more verticality.

 

[luj1]

Soldier of fortune might be my next thread, the shotgun in that game was like a howitzer lol.

IGI 1-2, Soldier of Fortune 1-2, lots of great games from that era...

 

[octavius]

Soldier of fortune might be my next thread, the shotgun in that game was like a howitzer lol.

I think either that game or the sequel was the first time you could shoot individual body parts. Before that the entire character was one big blob. But in SOF you could shoot someone in the foot or leg and they would limp. I think you could shoot arms and they drop the gun iirc. You could certainly blow limbs off.

The first one. Great stuff.

 

[catfood]

Shitty total conversion of Doom. The second one was great however, and Hexen 1&2 were also good.

 

[Eirinjas]

Heretic was a simple game, but I loved it. It's essentially a Doom reskin. The music was awesome.

Raven were originally intent on making an RPG when designing Heretic. John Carmack is the one who told them to make it play like Doom.

 

[Beans00]

Jedi Academy has even better lightsaber combat, a lot more fluid and more lightsaber moves that can be performed.

But somehow it never lived up to the original somehow

Also just for my raven experiences. I never had outcast/academy as a kid. I only played them for the first time a year or two ago. I had dark forces 1/2(not MoS), for some reason I always thought the jedi outcast/academy games were the prequels to the force unleashed games.

My opinion, purely on single player with zero nostalgia goggles.


Jedi academy is overall a better experience.
Jedi outcast has some really shit levels, but at its best it peaked higher than academy.

Never played MP.

 

[luj1]

Outcast had the better story IMO. Academy had improved swordplay

 

[NecroLord]

Outcast had the better story IMO. Academy had improved swordplay

Yeah.
Academy also had better enemy variety.
Outcast just had way too many stormtroopers, endless hordes of stormtroopers.

 

[NecroLord]

Jedi Academy has even better lightsaber combat, a lot more fluid and more lightsaber moves that can be performed.

But somehow it never lived up to the original somehow

Also just for my raven experiences. I never had outcast/academy as a kid. I only played them for the first time a year or two ago. I had dark forces 1/2(not MoS), for some reason I always thought the jedi outcast/academy games were the prequels to the force unleashed games.

My opinion, purely on single player with zero nostalgia goggles.


Jedi academy is overall a better experience.
Jedi outcast has some really shit levels, but at its best it peaked higher than academy.

Never played MP.

I like that speeder mission on Zonju V.
Adds some variety to the game.
Also that rail mission.