Interview Info about Torment's Tides and Combat at VG247

[Wizfall]

PB is blob combat mechanism.
I don't know PB games with character having actions points or moving.
I don't say it doesn't exist or being impossible to create but if you know one i will be glad to check it.
In fact i know one : synapse or symptome or somehing like that, was a quite recent indie game.
EDIT : frozen synapse.

 

[winterraptor]

Hah. Imagine after the KS, there is a vote: Phase-based or Turn-based. No RTwP to be seen!

 

[Severian Silk]

I think PB varies widely among different games. Laser Squad Nemesis or Frozen Synapse don't have much in common with Wizardry or Grimoire. In the former there is no initiative phase. Instead, all units act simultaneously according to the orders you gave them, and whatever triggers you set up for them, in the decision phase.

I highly doubt Torment is going to be a blobber.

Also, while fun to watch, LSN's combat didn't really grab me since you had to remember a whole lot more about what's going on between turns than in regular action point TB systems.

 

[evdk]

PCs in Wizardries do not act simultaneously at all. They follow the initiative order.
I'm

 

[Brayko]

Phased based would be pretty cool in my opinion.

 

[Severian Silk]

PCs in Wizardries do not act simultaneously at all. They follow the initiative order.

Who said they were?

 

[evdk]

Who said they were?

Can't read, disregard.

 

[Wizfall]

I certainly don't think Torment will be a blobber
But anybody know an isometric PB games if frozen synapse or LSN can't be considered PB ?

 

[Severian Silk]

Frozen Synapse and LSN *are* PB. Sheesh.

And, yes, there are also isometric blobbers. Gimme a minute to locate a link.

[edit]

Damn, I couldn't find it. It's an obscure, in development game that was discussed here recently (like, in the past week).

 

[Excidium]

isometric blobbers

Out-of-body experience?

 

[evdk]

isometric blobbers

Out-of-body experience?

Albion.

 

[Wizfall]

Frozen Synapse and LSN *are* PB. Sheesh.

Yea it was what i was thinking too.
Just have one more nuance to make between RT PB and blobber PB now :D
I'm gonna check Albion.

 

[Excidium]

isometric blobbers

Out-of-body experience?

Albion.

Isn't Albion just top down with FP dungeons?

 

[sea]

Damn, some of those questions were things that I wrote up earlier today.

Sounds good though. Seems I was right in suspecting the Tides are basically a more complex (or nuanced) alignment system, though I really want to hear more details on precise combat mechanics (and non-combat mechanics for that matter). Torment, all good writing aside, had pretty poor combat and non-existent non-combat skills, and I'm curious to see if either will be significantly expanded on, or if the goal is to make an RPG where C&C is more just a matter of what story path you pick rather than what your character abilities you have. I know that I would love to see some more creative ideas though - like failing a combat encounter leading to a different quest outcome, or not being able to pick a path you agree with morally because your skills aren't up to the task.

 

[Wizfall]

Just checked Albion.
It switch first person view for combat but you choose your action on a special iso view (so 3 views with the exploration map view).
Quite strange.

 

[Severian Silk]

Isn't Albion just top down with FP dungeons?

The one I've been trying to track down has isometric exploration and first-person combat.

 

[Zed]

like failing a combat encounter leading to a different quest outcome

this would be cool.

 

[evdk]

The one I've been trying to track down has isometric exploration and first-person combat.

http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...ric-turn-and-party-based-rpg-announced.80724/

 

[Severian Silk]

The one I've been trying to track down has isometric exploration and first-person combat.

http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...ric-turn-and-party-based-rpg-announced.80724/

Yup, that's the one!

 

[Excidium]

Too bad about the combat on that one.

 

[Wizfall]

The one I've been trying to track down has isometric exploration and first-person combat.

http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...ric-turn-and-party-based-rpg-announced.80724/

I know plenty of those.
I'm looking for an iso PB game which stay iso for the combat and which is not real time PB.
Because i don't think that Torment if it is PB will have a different view for the combat.
And i don't think it will be a real time PB too.

 

[Severian Silk]

You're confusing "real time" with "simultaneous".

 

[Wizfall]

You are right.
But on the other hand i don't know any PB "simultaneous" games which are not real time PB .

 

[sea]

like failing a combat encounter leading to a different quest outcome

this would be cool.

Some other RPGs have done that in the past, such as saving NPCs before they are killed. But Torment, with its "unique" death mechanics, could do something completely different in this respect. Not only could you have the story change if you lose a fight (say, a town is overrun by insane cultists), but you could actually have the death state/maze that the devs have hinted at actually change based on how well you do. Maybe if you die at the hands of a certain enemy, that enemy will become an antagonist in your death-realm, for example.

Just saying, with the pedigree of Torment as well as the opportunity to be completely batshit crazy with setting, characters, and even fundamental RPG concepts like failure and win states, there is tons of room for exploring ideas that we have not seen before. The worst thing Torment can do more than anything is play it safe, or "just" do what the original game did.

 

[Infinitron]

PB is blob combat mechanism.
I don't know PB games with character having actions points or moving.
I don't say it doesn't exist or being impossible to create but if you know one i will be glad to check it.
In fact i know one : synapse or symptome or somehing like that, was a quite recent indie game.
EDIT : frozen synapse.

Origin's Knights of Legend was a fully top down RPG with phase based combat.