Is AI the future of Indie RPGs?

[The_Sloth_Sleeps]

What I am asking is, what is the underlying tech? How is it different.

Well, you probably won't be able to tell how it's different even after it's out, since "Open"AI doesn't usually release such info anymore.

My bet is that it's a Mixture of Experts video model. So, you have the MoE language model tied into multiple video models that effectively work as one to create a final product.

MoE is how all of OpenAI's models are suspected to work. You train multiple small experts within a model's framework. An expert on math, an expert on logic, whatever. They all work together to create a final output.

I am actually a little sad because I think it would be a good thing if anyone could generate video like that. I do not think it will ever get there.

Anyone? Not when it's a closed-source SAAS.

The problem is the value of the product and the fact that OpenAI are currently the only ones to control it. What they said about making it available to filmmakers is what's troubling to me. Makes me think it will only be available with an expensive license, and then only with censorship.

But if the tech can be reverse engineered, as Google and others have done with OAI's text models to some degree, there's the chance the cat could get let out of the bag again, and we might be able to get our hands on a similar model.

If someone proves something can be done then the genie is out of the bottle. Over time others inevitably also find a way to do the same.

However its unclear what, if anything, this is actually doing. It does not look remotely capable of replacing film making.

 

[Sweeper]

The SORA shit does look incredible, but that's kind of the thing, I look at it and go

Damn, AI really is advancing at ludicrous speed.

doesn't mean I want to go watch a bunch of AI generated videos.
The entire point of movies, books, vidya is the talent and effort that went behind creating it. There's no talent or effort with AI, just technology. Defeats the purpose.
And what's even better is, eventually it'll get to a point where you have no idea if whatever you're looking at, or listening to or playing was manmade or AI made, so human creativity itself will become obsolete.

A lot of motherfuckers are looking at this, giddy with excitement about the possibilities. Personally I think it's time to fuck off to some mountain and start a sheep farm or some shit.

 

[Viata]

AI can be the most amazing thing, can output better stuff than the shit we are getting today, yet I'll have no interest in it. To each their own.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

Cats in bags, genies in bottles.... such cruel people. Leave the kitties alone.

I think it's time to fuck off to some mountain and start a sheep farm or some shit.

What? Goats maybe; them sheep like that tasty grass. If you hate blackberries get a goat + pig combo herd. If you hate mowing and grasses... get sheep. Them mofos eat it to the dirt.

Get cattle for beef or ducks for the quacks (females... males sound broken). Get geese for the ass bitting and honks.

 

[Squirrel]

At the end of the day, the human element is what makes things truly amazing and creates value.

An aimbot can do things no human can ever do, but would anybody sit and watch aimbots having a FPS game match? Isn't it amazing how the aimbot can make the crosshair fly across the screen and land on the dude's head with pure precision in less than 0.01 second? No, it's not amazing. It's actually pathetic.

It's the same thing with AI. Who cares if the AI can write a "good story", because the fact that it is written by an AI, it cannot be a good story, period.

The future of indie RPG isn't AI. It's going to be the same thing that it has always been - talented people. Talented real people who got enough willpower to go through the grind of making a good game.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

AI drones on and speaks horrible in every incarnation.

 

[Krice]

I'm waiting for a free AI tool for Visual Studio community, then could maybe try if it can help in programming. If it does, then and only then AI has proven it's useful.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

https://lyssa-goddess-of-rage.com/

This gacha I got an ad for seems to use AI in its art. Not confirmed, but the art style definitely has that feel, and the in-game characters all seem to be the same images of the girls and not different poses of the same character or Live2d.

My guess is that the art is done by someone who used AI in his process, but still finetuned it and drew parts of it for consistency.

 

[V17]

I'm waiting for a free AI tool for Visual Studio community, then could maybe try if it can help in programming. If it does, then and only then AI has proven it's useful.

Like a free copilot? There's Codeium, and it's good.
I use it and it's useful for boilerplate, stuff that's inherently a bit repetitive (like processing three channels of an image etc.) or simple functions in general, especially if you use good variable and function names or describe what the function does in a comment. It can also generate okayish docstrings.

You still have to know what you're doing though. For "generate code that does xxx for me", "explain how to do xxx" etc. ChatGPT 4 is still best.

 

[MarathonGuy1337]

I'm waiting for a free AI tool for Visual Studio community, then could maybe try if it can help in programming. If it does, then and only then AI has proven it's useful.

Like a free copilot? There's Codeium, and it's good.
I use it and it's useful for boilerplate, stuff that's inherently a bit repetitive (like processing three channels of an image etc.) or simple functions in general, especially if you use good variable and function names or describe what the function does in a comment. It can also generate okayish docstrings.

You still have to know what you're doing though. For "generate code that does xxx for me", "explain how to do xxx" etc. ChatGPT 4 is still best.

That codeium looks pretty useful might have to check that out later

 

[Krice]

Codeium seems to collect some kind of data from you. Probably(?) not your source code... I don't like the idea.

 

[MarathonGuy1337]

Codeium seems to collect some kind of data from you. Probably(?) not your source code... I don't like the idea.

Theirs always a catch... sad but not unexpected.

 

[tomphonse]

I get GH Copilot for free as a student currently and I don't recommend paying for it.
It's nice to have but it's just predictive text on steroids.
For actually asking questions about code you get maybe 5% better answers than just the free version of ChatGPT 3.

According to tests by the "experts" the free version of Claude understands code better than even GPT 4.
However, Claude's free tier only lets you ask around 10 or so questions a day.

Codeium seems to collect some kind of data from you. Probably(?) not your source code... I don't like the idea.

Also all of these tools read your code and send it back to their database to train on.
The only way around this is to run a LLM locally. For this you can install a front end like LM Studio and then download a model of your choice to run. Some models are better at coding than others but it's constantly changing, best to google before hand. The best general all round model has to be Mistral Dolphin which is completely uncensored.

P.S. Don't worry when when you first look at a model and it says it needs 28gb's of RAM to run, there are settings distribute the load between RAM and VRAM in LM Studio and there are lighter weight models that go down to 12gb's. But yeah you can't run them on a toaster either.

 

[Krice]

I have 8Gb in my PC. I could get more memory, but it's so tedious to install it. And it costs money.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

https://lyssa-goddess-of-rage.com/

This gacha I got an ad for seems to use AI in its art. Not confirmed, but the art style definitely has that feel, and the in-game characters all seem to be the same images of the girls and not different poses of the same character or Live2d.

My guess is that the art is done by someone who used AI in his process, but still finetuned it and drew parts of it for consistency.

Apparently this was just the politically correct version of a fully porn gacha.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2808930/Lust_Goddess/

Obviously no one should waste money or time on this, but given all the reviews, a lot of people have.

 

[PompiPompi]

AI is definitely smarter than most people on the planet, so they could make great NPCs/Players/DM

 

[Kev Inkline]

https://www.spaceengineersgame.com/lora-models-in-game-development/

• What We Do: We use LoRa models to efficiently adapt and create visual styles in our games, keeping the process quick and the file sizes small.
• Usefulness for Us: This technology speeds up our design process, enabling rapid experimentation and iteration.
• Benefits for Players: Players can use this technology to create their own concept art, adding a personal touch to their gaming experience.

https://civitai.com/models/452399/spaceengineers-conceptart

https://civitai.com/models/452608/spaceengineersprops

 

[Falksi]

Some guy made a simple adventure game using all AI-generated assets:


It's about as ugly and unergonomic as you would expect. The basic geometry is atrocious and even what are supposed to be hideous amalgamations of flesh look mediocre somehow. The writing is probably the only thing that wasn't written by AI, but boy it sounds like it was written by an AI because the setting it sets up sounds completely nonsensical. To whit: the Church of Flesh uses meat as the basis for their architecture and infrastructure... but its adherents are vegans. Let that sink in for a moment. If the worldbuilding is intentionally stupid and meant to be a commentary on human stupidity, then kudos to the creator. But somehow I doubt that's the case.

Pretty, not practical though. Most sections look like a backdrop, not something to actually interact with.

 

[PompiPompi]

 

[MerchantKing]

I wonder if anyone here will notice if a poster started using AI to generate all of their posts.

 

[MerchantKing]

On second thought, that would be extremely easy to spot within the first post

The title the AI generates seems suspiciously similar to some of your posts eh Infinitron?

 

[PunchYouInTheFace]

AI art just seems "good" to some people (artistically stunted). Honestly, I wasn't a big fan of the pixel art I saw above - physically hurt my eyes that shit was.

 

[PompiPompi]

AI art just seems "good" to some people (artistically stunted). Honestly, I wasn't a big fan of the pixel art I saw above - physically hurt my eyes that shit was.

It's "good enough" for certain tasks.
When you are a 0 budget solo dev, AI can be useful.

Did you notice the AI in my video?

But yea... AI "Art" is not great.
The thing is... most indie developers just copy each other or other games, and even then people buy their games.
So there are more people consuming trash food than actual quality.

 

[RaggleFraggle]

AI art just seems "good" to some people (artistically stunted). Honestly, I wasn't a big fan of the pixel art I saw above - physically hurt my eyes that shit was.

The writing is very frustrating too. It got a positive reception because it copies the order/chaos conflict from Elric of Melniboné, which is a great conflict that modern media has unfortunately forgotten, but the way it executes the conflict is… frustrating.

The first mistake is that it claims the majority of humans prefer chaos. Then it adds a ton of weird nonsensical ideological baggage to chaos, such as veganism.

In reality, humans naturally crave order and mindlessly obeying charismatic leaders. They don’t prefer chaos like the writing claims. Maybe Yankees like to superficially claim they love “freedom”, but when push comes to shove they’ll gleefully support their political aisle’s flavor of totalitarianism.

Also, humans love animal products. Milk, eggs, meat… we love to eat animals. 2 billion people alive right now routinely eat insects.

It’s not believable to me that the majority of humans would go vegan when the chaos tech is made of cloned meat they can eat without any harm to live animals. The game literally has meat trees and shit, but they still go vegan.

No offense to the writer, that’s just my constructive criticism.

 

[PompiPompi]

The parts in my game that use AI in that video, is the soldier's portrait, the frame around him, the X button, and the text to speech of the text(that I wrote).
Is it really bad?

I am pretty sure a real voice actor would be a better job, and a less generic AI looking portrait would look better too. But is it really bad looking as is?

And yea, majority of games now suck IMO.

You can tell if someone is a quality player if he used to be a gamer, but now can't find almost anything worth to play.