Is AI the future of Indie RPGs?

[Gregz]

https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiff...rstablediffusion_integrating_sd_in_photoshop/

So, a few days ago I was complimenting CryptRat on his choice of artist for his most recent release, not knowing that it was an AI. Then, today in Shoutbox:

Mr. Pink: a lot of my friends jobs are being automated away
Mr. Pink: concept and commercial art
Mr. Pink: the AI takeover is quietly happening behind the scenes
Mr. Pink: things are moving so quickly. the normies dont understand just how bad it will get
Mr. Pink: there is enough existing art that it doesnt matter
Mr. Pink: originality doesn't exist either. ai is literally just doing what artists already do, permutate existing ideas
Mr. Pink: every feature is rapidly being improved

 

[The_Sloth_Sleeps]

Anything that enables shovelware, will almost certainly be attempted to be used.
I see a bit of hype surrounding this, and like all hype its never deserving.

For quality art, I don't see the purpose of this whatsoever, the target audience appear to be the shovelware merchants who can churn out milkshake slurry images.

 

[Gregz]

Anything that enables shovelware, will almost certainly be attempted to be used.
I see a bit of hype surrounding this, and like all hype its never deserving.

For quality art, I don't see the purpose of this whatsoever, the target audience appear to be the shovelware merchants who can churn out milkshake slurry images.

2D art seems like just a stepping stone. The same technology, modified, could presumably do level design, music, and even narrative?

 

[The_Sloth_Sleeps]

Anything that enables shovelware, will almost certainly be attempted to be used.
I see a bit of hype surrounding this, and like all hype its never deserving.

For quality art, I don't see the purpose of this whatsoever, the target audience appear to be the shovelware merchants who can churn out milkshake slurry images.

2D art seems like just a stepping stone. The same technology, modified, could presumably do level design, music, and even narrative?

Well it could share some underlying techniques but the results would be equally as awful as the art.
I suspect underneath the hood its the same old tired so called "ML" techniques rehashed.
For me this is about as exciting as lane assist. Broadly useless at best, frightening at worse.

 

[S.torch]

Is IA the future of illustration? Is IA the future of books, movies, series, art, music, medicine, the one who cleans your house, your mother? Stop with this crap, if today people don't even have the capacity to do something minimally good, imagine creating a freaking artificial intelligence that does it by itself, better that people start taking their effort to the present instead of thinking on an inflated future by a bunch of nihilist pseudo-intellectuals.

 

[vibehunter]

Anything that enables shovelware, will almost certainly be attempted to be used.
I see a bit of hype surrounding this, and like all hype its never deserving.

For quality art, I don't see the purpose of this whatsoever, the target audience appear to be the shovelware merchants who can churn out milkshake slurry images.

2D art seems like just a stepping stone. The same technology, modified, could presumably do level design, music, and even narrative?

If you're going to go that far, why not just have the AI generate the entire game? At a certain point there will be no need for humans at all other than the maintainers of the AI, in this hypothetical future.

 

[Gregz]

Anything that enables shovelware, will almost certainly be attempted to be used.
I see a bit of hype surrounding this, and like all hype its never deserving.

For quality art, I don't see the purpose of this whatsoever, the target audience appear to be the shovelware merchants who can churn out milkshake slurry images.

2D art seems like just a stepping stone. The same technology, modified, could presumably do level design, music, and even narrative?

If you're going to go that far, why not just have the AI generate the entire game? At a certain point there will be no need for humans at all other than the maintainers of the AI, in this hypothetical future.

I can think of a reason, most people have shit taste in RPGs. We at the Codex are in a unique position to shepherd the AI back towards when RPGs didn't suck.

 

[Tyranicon]

Could've just ended the thread title after "future."

A lot of jobs are going away. The next few years are gonna be a scary time.

 

[RaggleFraggle]

As the Orange Catholic Bible said: “Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.”

 

[Davaris]

This is the only AI I like, because it doesn't seek to usurp humanity. I would rather have Nikola Tesla in a jar than Skynet. Nikola is safer, cheaper, and smarter .



In the near future jobs where people don't understand what they are doing will be replaced by AI, and everything will be free.

Also the AI art I have seen so far feels dead and cold, because the artist making it is dead. AI can't touch this:

 

[CanadianCorndog]

AI will have it's place but there's already procedural techniques for almost everything but hardly anybody uses it.
In the case of portraits and splash screens, sure, there will be more use of it because it's standalone and it will get better.

 

[Zeriel]

Short answer: no.

Long answer: research and use it more, anyone who uses ML extensively soon learns its massive shortcomings.

 

[Davaris]

Say for example, I wanted to make Baldur's Gate style pre-rendered maps, and AI could draw it so it didn't look terrible. I'd want to be able to point at a location with a pen and tell the AI, I want a house here, or a tunnel dug there, and it automatically merges it with the rest of the map. Only then would AI be useful to me.

 

[MuffinBun]

The subject needs at least two separate threads.

1)Existential dread thread: will AI replace everything, making those few who control it the ultimate masters of the universe? What do we do now that we're conscious of our mortality?

2)Practical applications of AI in the real world, ignoring doomsday scenarios. What can an individual creator do, what will corpos do, what are the limitations, how available will the means of creation be, etc.

 

[The_Sloth_Sleeps]

These "AI" results are not so much a testament to the power (weakness?) of so called ML as much as they are a testament to the hand coded algorithms that would have gone into making these procedural art generators.

I wish that we would stop calling this stuff "AI" and call it for what it is - Procedural art generation.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

No

 

[Mortmal]

Anything that enables shovelware, will almost certainly be attempted to be used.
I see a bit of hype surrounding this, and like all hype its never deserving.

For quality art, I don't see the purpose of this whatsoever, the target audience appear to be the shovelware merchants who can churn out milkshake slurry images.

2D art seems like just a stepping stone. The same technology, modified, could presumably do level design, music, and even narrative?

If you're going to go that far, why not just have the AI generate the entire game? At a certain point there will be no need for humans at all other than the maintainers of the AI, in this hypothetical future.

It's possible, but look at the processing power needed to generate an image in midjourney , it would require a nasa computer for the AI to generate a text adventure game with pictures like zork by itself, but definitely doable.

 

[The_Sloth_Sleeps]

Anything that enables shovelware, will almost certainly be attempted to be used.
I see a bit of hype surrounding this, and like all hype its never deserving.

For quality art, I don't see the purpose of this whatsoever, the target audience appear to be the shovelware merchants who can churn out milkshake slurry images.

2D art seems like just a stepping stone. The same technology, modified, could presumably do level design, music, and even narrative?

If you're going to go that far, why not just have the AI generate the entire game? At a certain point there will be no need for humans at all other than the maintainers of the AI, in this hypothetical future.

It's possible, but look at the processing power needed to generate an image in midjourney , it would require a nasa computer for the AI to generate a text adventure game with pictures like zork by itself, but definitely doable.

Are you assuming power is the only limitation?

 

[Mortmal]

Anything that enables shovelware, will almost certainly be attempted to be used.
I see a bit of hype surrounding this, and like all hype its never deserving.

For quality art, I don't see the purpose of this whatsoever, the target audience appear to be the shovelware merchants who can churn out milkshake slurry images.

2D art seems like just a stepping stone. The same technology, modified, could presumably do level design, music, and even narrative?

If you're going to go that far, why not just have the AI generate the entire game? At a certain point there will be no need for humans at all other than the maintainers of the AI, in this hypothetical future.

It's possible, but look at the processing power needed to generate an image in midjourney , it would require a nasa computer for the AI to generate a text adventure game with pictures like zork by itself, but definitely doable.

Are you assuming power is the only limitation?

What else beyond power and money ? If you want an AI proceduraly generate oldschool rpg , you need to invest billions into it , technology already exists.

 

[The_Sloth_Sleeps]

Anything that enables shovelware, will almost certainly be attempted to be used.
I see a bit of hype surrounding this, and like all hype its never deserving.

For quality art, I don't see the purpose of this whatsoever, the target audience appear to be the shovelware merchants who can churn out milkshake slurry images.

2D art seems like just a stepping stone. The same technology, modified, could presumably do level design, music, and even narrative?

If you're going to go that far, why not just have the AI generate the entire game? At a certain point there will be no need for humans at all other than the maintainers of the AI, in this hypothetical future.

It's possible, but look at the processing power needed to generate an image in midjourney , it would require a nasa computer for the AI to generate a text adventure game with pictures like zork by itself, but definitely doable.

Are you assuming power is the only limitation?

What else beyond power and money ? If you want an AI proceduraly generate oldschool rpg , you need to invest billions into it , technology already exists.

Um, I doubt that greatly. There really is no such thing as "AI" in real life.
Its the whole weak AI vs strong AI thingy. Basically all the tricks you see have no carry over between applications, because they don't really learn, rather they interpolate based off data sets.

 

[Tyranicon]

The problem is, the second we reach strong AI/AGI, questions like "can AI make good gaems or draw anime tiddies" are no longer the questions we should be asking.

 

[Tyranicon]

Also, just taking a look at how quickly some platforms like unstable diffusion have progressed over the past few months, holy shit. Creatives should be afraid.

Made this in 5 minutes.

 

[Davaris]

The problem is, the second we reach strong AI/AGI, questions like "can AI make good gaems or draw shitty Japanese pornographic cartoons tiddies" are no longer the questions we should be asking.

I used to watch a futurist on youtube that did wild speculation of the future, and sometimes he'd cover AI. He said, to make AI safe we'd need to somehow limit the growth of their intelligence, and put them in simulations where hundreds of years pass, so we can be sure they won't betray us when released. I was thinking, why make such a thing if its that dangerous? The programmers answer, the mountain was there, we had to climb it.

The girl above looks cold. Can you make her smile or look sad?

 

[Tyranicon]

The problem is, the second we reach strong AI/AGI, questions like "can AI make good gaems or draw shitty Japanese pornographic cartoons tiddies" are no longer the questions we should be asking.

I used to watch a futurist on youtube that did wild speculation of the future, and sometimes he'd cover AI. He said, to make AI safe we'd need to somehow limit the growth of their intelligence, and put them in simulations where hundreds of years pass, so we can be sure they won't betray us when released. I was thinking, why make such a thing if its that dangerous? The programmers answer, the mountain was there, we had to climb it.

The girl above looks cold. Can you make her smile or look sad?

Oh yeah, AGIs are basically the existential crisis if they ever exist.

No idea how to change the image tho, already forgot the gen prompt and dunno how to recover it.

This dwarf is super legit tho. Feel free to steal it for whatever.

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

Yeah yeah, quantum computing is also gonna make encryption meaningless by 2012 and ais will take over the world. Blah blah blah.

Who needs AIs to enslave humanity when humanity is already nailing it? Who needs super hardcore hackers when the password is "password" anyway?

AIs are good at being unintenionally funny and racist, but they're still a lot more A than I at the moment.