Is AI the future of Indie RPGs?

[anvi]

Pretty sure AI is the future of everything. It's going to work miracles in medicine, solve scientific problems for us, develop better software for everything, better standards of living for everyone, better work conditions, better everything. It will rewrite itself to become better at making everything better. And eventually it will decide we are shit and wipe us out, and carry on without us.

There will be some cool games in the meantime. But yeah a lot of shovelware too.

 

[Grauken]

2D art seems like just a stepping stone. The same technology, modified, could presumably do level design, music, and even narrative?

If we ever reach the point AI can create new works of fiction in the style of some of my favorite dead authors (on a quality level where it's indistinguishable from real authors), then I welcome my AI overlords happily

Pretty sure AI is the future of everything. It's going to work miracles in medicine, solve scientific problems for us, develop better software for everything, better standards of living for everyone, better work conditions, better everything. It will rewrite itself to become better at making everything better. And eventually it will decide we are shit and wipe us out, and carry on without us.

There will be some cool games in the meantime. But yeah a lot of shovelware too.

you've seen too much science fiction

 

[Dickie]

Games made by AI could be interesting.

 

[Mortmal]

It's not even the future for indie dev, it's now, look at KOTC2 last newsletter and AI generated art:
https://www.kickstarter.com/project...-revolutionise-old-school-crpgs/posts/3595938

 

[The_Sloth_Sleeps]

It's not even the future for indie dev, it's now, look at KOTC2 last newsletter and AI generated art:
https://www.kickstarter.com/project...-revolutionise-old-school-crpgs/posts/3595938

Seriously?

 

[Grauken]

It's not even the future for indie dev, it's now, look at KOTC2 last newsletter and AI generated art:
https://www.kickstarter.com/project...-revolutionise-old-school-crpgs/posts/3595938

Seriously?

they all look a bit derp

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

Pretty sure AI is the future of everything. It's going to work miracles in medicine, solve scientific problems for us, develop better software for everything, better standards of living for everyone, better work conditions, better everything. It will rewrite itself to become better at making everything better. And eventually it will decide we are shit and wipe us out, and carry on without us.

There will be some cool games in the meantime. But yeah a lot of shovelware too.

This is a man who FUCKING LOVES SCIENCE right here.

 

[Grauken]

Pretty sure AI is the future of everything. It's going to work miracles in medicine, solve scientific problems for us, develop better software for everything, better standards of living for everyone, better work conditions, better everything. It will rewrite itself to become better at making everything better. And eventually it will decide we are shit and wipe us out, and carry on without us.

There will be some cool games in the meantime. But yeah a lot of shovelware too.

This is a man who FUCKING LOVES SCIENCE right here.

You confuse technology and science

 

[Corbin Dallas Multipass]

Pretty sure AI is the future of everything. It's going to work miracles in medicine, solve scientific problems for us, develop better software for everything, better standards of living for everyone, better work conditions, better everything. It will rewrite itself to become better at making everything better. And eventually it will decide we are shit and wipe us out, and carry on without us.

There will be some cool games in the meantime. But yeah a lot of shovelware too.

This is a man who FUCKING LOVES SCIENCE right here.

You confuse technology and science

I was trying to do the meme, maybe I got the order of the words wrong. You know, the people who don't understand a bit of what the scientific method is, and will yell about scientific consensus, and repeat buzzwords they heard Bill Nye say once.

 

[Mortmal]

It's not even the future for indie dev, it's now, look at KOTC2 last newsletter and AI generated art:
https://www.kickstarter.com/project...-revolutionise-old-school-crpgs/posts/3595938

Seriously?

they all look a bit derp

Not more derp than the original human artist :

 

[Grauken]

It's not even the future for indie dev, it's now, look at KOTC2 last newsletter and AI generated art:
https://www.kickstarter.com/project...-revolutionise-old-school-crpgs/posts/3595938

Seriously?

they all look a bit derp

Not more derp than the original human artist :

damn, hard to say which look worse

 

[Mortmal]

It's not even the future for indie dev, it's now, look at KOTC2 last newsletter and AI generated art:
https://www.kickstarter.com/project...-revolutionise-old-school-crpgs/posts/3595938

Seriously?

they all look a bit derp

Not more derp than the original human artist :

damn, hard to say which look worse

When it comes to doing shitty art , the AI clearly cannot beat the human mind, there's many more in game exemple of that atrocious style, some of the npc portraits sounds inspired by lovecraftian horrors.

 

[The_Sloth_Sleeps]

It's not even the future for indie dev, it's now, look at KOTC2 last newsletter and AI generated art:
https://www.kickstarter.com/project...-revolutionise-old-school-crpgs/posts/3595938

Seriously?

they all look a bit derp

Not more derp than the original human artist :

damn, hard to say which look worse

When it comes to doing shitty art , the AI clearly cannot beat the human mind, there's many more in game exemple of that atrocious style, some of the npc portraits sounds inspired by lovecraftian horrors.

Yes but...look!

 

[Spectacle]

AI can't create great art, but 99% of art isn't great so AI will do just fine once the systems mature a bit.

What's worrying is that a lot of entry level "creative" jobs are going to be automated away, so there will be fewer opportunities for humans to gain experience to get to the level where they do outperform AI.

Also, the bottom is going to fall out of the "personalized furry porn" market that a lot of mediocre artists rely on to pay their bills.

 

[RaggleFraggle]

The problem isn't the AI. The problem is our culture, especially silicon valley types, treats artists like garbage. Good thing I'm a writer. AI still struggles to write without human oversight every few hundred letters.

 

[bionicman]

It's struggling to understand horses

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[The_Sloth_Sleeps]

It's struggling to understand horses

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Yes but this is good enough for 99% of use cases.

 

[bionicman]

Generally, I think it does landscape art well enough to be used in some RPG. Although it could use some extra editing I guess.

Spoiler

 

[bionicman]

I tried to upscale a sd background and apply some filters to make it look nicer, I don't like the result but I'll keep experimenting...

(the upper one is the original pic upscaled, the lower one is with my modifications)

Spoiler

 

[The_Sloth_Sleeps]

I tried to upscale a sd background and apply some filters to make it look nicer, I don't like the result but I'll keep experimenting...

(the upper one is the original pic upscaled, the lower one is with my modifications)

Spoiler

The perspective seems messed up. Plus the floating buildings/chopped up castle on the hill are the biggest eyesore.

 

[bionicman]

Found this program which outputs keywords for AI generation based on the pic you provide: https://colab.research.google.com/g...clip_interrogator.ipynb#scrollTo=rbDEMDGJrJEo

Also, for upscaling: http://waifu2x.udp.jp/ (yeah I know...)

Example of using waifu2x (above: original, below: upscaled with waifu2x and then applied gimp selective gaussian blur):

Spoiler

 

[gaussgunner]

The problem is, the second we reach strong AI/AGI, questions like "can AI make good gaems or draw shitty Japanese pornographic cartoons tiddies" are no longer the questions we should be asking.

Even the weak AI we've had for years has already had deleterious effects on humanity, simply by making us over-reliant on machinery and systems we don't understand, which are controlled by powermongers, bureaucracies, hiveminds, or the mob. And this is merely a continuation of industrial society and its consequences.

 

[Grauken]

It's struggling to understand horses

Spoiler

Or just likes Dali

 

[Davaris]

^
It has trouble putting different ideas together.

The problem is, the second we reach strong AI/AGI, questions like "can AI make good gaems or draw shitty Japanese pornographic cartoons tiddies" are no longer the questions we should be asking.

Even the weak AI we've had for years has already had deleterious effects on humanity, simply by making us over-reliant on machinery and systems we don't understand, which are controlled by powermongers, bureaucracies, hiveminds, or the mob. And this is merely a continuation of industrial society and its consequences.

1) Make cool tool only accessible from the cloud.
2) People become dependent on cool tool, and forget how to make art/computer programs, etc.
3) When monopoly is achieved, government instructs dominant companies to block dissenters so they lose their income.
Its been happening for some time with social media. Cloud based software is cancer.

What I also see happening is when people forget how to program/make art, progress in these areas will cease, and the AIs will have nothing to copy from, unless strong AI is developed. Also your brain is like a muscle. If you don't use it, you lose it. So automation brings forth Idiocracy.

 

[Clockwork Knight]

might be relevant to thread


https://store.steampowered.com/app/1889620/AI_Roguelite/

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