Editorial Jeff Vogel Supports Piracy

[SuicideBunny]

Vogel creates demos for his games. Thats all anyone should ever ask for. If you like playing his long ass demo's, buy the game.

dunno. took me more than the demo area to find out i severely disliked my pirated avernum 5.
there was always this glimmer of hope that it would actually change into something better... unwind.. start rolling... but it never did.
on the other hand, i pirated av6, finished it in one marathon session, then bought it over gg, and am now contemplating gifting it to a friend.

 

[Silellak]

I am very angry about the public availability of knowledge.

 

[JarlFrank]

Whatever Jeff. If you want to excuse the people who violate your rights, than by all means, go ahead. But it's pretty self-destructive, and it by no means makes you a better person.

RAWR ALL PIRATES ARE EVIL AND SHOULD BE BURNED IN A SEA OF FIRE ARRRRGH

Fuck off with your strawman. Unless you seriously want to contend that piracy isn't a violation of the creator's right to property.

It is, but you diss Vogel for having an opinion that doesn't say "ALL PIRATES ARE EVIL AND I WANT TO SUE THEM". Just because he's a developer and doesn't have a radical anti-piracy point of view you think he's self-destructive?

 

[Norfleet]

Still, it's a bullshit excuse. Being 'poor' is not an excuse to steal games. You dion't need games to steal. If yopua re so poor that you need to steal a game you should concentrate on stealing stuff you fuckin' actually need to live. FFS

Actually, there's a certain amount of sense to tolerating this. Consider: If people who are poor pirate your game, you're still REACHING these people. Maybe when they're no longer poor, they'll buy the sequel. The alternative, they don't buy OR pirate your game, means that NONE OF THEM ARE PLAYING YOUR GAME, and you're STILL not getting any money. So now not only do you still not get any money, nobody has heard of your game, either. Being pirated won't get you any money NOW, but it's not exactly a secret that Microsoft didn't get the marketshare that it did without piracy. If Windoze hadn't been widely pirated, we'd probably be using Linux now. Buyers may be better than pirates, but pirates are still users, and users is better than no users.

 

[FeelTheRads]

Still, it's a bullshit excuse. Being 'poor' is not an excuse to steal games. You dion't need games to steal. If yopua re so poor that you need to steal a game you should concentrate on stealing stuff you fuckin' actually need to live. FFS

Actually, there's a certain amount of sense to tolerating this. Consider: If people who are poor pirate your game, you're still REACHING these people. Maybe when they're no longer poor, they'll buy the sequel. The alternative, they don't buy OR pirate your game, means that NONE OF THEM ARE PLAYING YOUR GAME, and you're STILL not getting any money. So now not only do you still not get any money, nobody has heard of your game, either. Being pirated won't get you any money NOW, but it's not exactly a secret that Microsoft didn't get the marketshare that it did without piracy. If Windoze hadn't been widely pirated, we'd probably be using Linux now. Buyers may be better than pirates, but pirates are still users, and users is better than no users.

Jeez man, don't you know that when you pirate a game you're robbing a potential customer of his purchase?

 

[denizsi]

Every time someone pirates a game, little dicksmoker here writes more poor "literature".

 

[ElectricOtter]

Every time someone pirates a game, little dicksmoker here writes more poor "literature".

"the next bullet severed her ponderous breast"

 

[MasterSmithFandango]

Every time someone pirates a game, little dicksmoker here writes more poor "literature".

God damn... I'll never pirate a game ever again.

 

[DarkUnderlord]

If you like PC games but you usually pirate them, I want you to start actually paying for one game a year. Just one.

Awesome, people who used to pirate a shit tonne and buy four or five now only need to buy one!

Now here is what I am NOT saying. If some kid has to actually save his allowance for a few weeks to buy the game, stealing it is instead of paying is not cool. I'm not OK with that.

... and the last comment there right now:

I have to admit that I did pirate my copies of Avernum 4-6. Based on this article, I'll offer this in my defence: I'm a poor college student (though admittedly, reducing my intake of junk food and takeaway coffee for a few weeks would probably cover the cost of a game);

lulz

 

[ghostdog]

I though this disagreement had been settled with the "Nothing is being removed from an inventory" argument. Why bring it up again ?


Although I admit, there are some lulz to be found in this thread.

 

[Davaris]

If you like PC games but you usually pirate them, I want you to start actually paying for one game a year. Just one.

Awesome, people who used to pirate a shit tonne and buy four or five now only need to buy one!

As long as it's Jeff's game you buy, its all gravy man.

 

[dermatologist]

Go to a library, and sign out books for FUCKIN' FREE. Hell, some libraries let you sign out games, and movies for free.

Libraries are organized, legalized theft. When I go to library, it's no different from downloading movies and music from internet. I read tens of books every year but I buy only a few of them.

no doubt, homer is prolly trippin billies about all of the $$$ he's losing to those damn thieves

 

[Forest Dweller]

Fuck off with your strawman. Unless you seriously want to contend that piracy isn't a violation of the creator's right to property.

It is, but you diss Vogel for having an opinion that doesn't say "ALL PIRATES ARE EVIL AND I WANT TO SUE THEM". Just because he's a developer and doesn't have a radical anti-piracy point of view you think he's self-destructive?

It's one thing to not have an anti-pirate/DRM point of view (like CDProject, for instance), quite another to actually ENDORSE people stealing from you. The latter is equivalent to bending over and telling someone that they can fuck you in the ass just because they're horny. You don't stand by something that you worked hard on in a commercial venue if you tell people they can have it for free. It's degrading to yourself and your work. If you believe that you created something worth the price you ask then you have absolutely every right, as well as an obligation to yourself, to want every penny that you can get for it. And if you don't think it's worth the price you ask, you have no business being a game developer in the first place.

Every time someone pirates a game, little dicksmoker here writes more poor "literature".

So a couple of lines is literature now? Wow, I'm impressed. You've said some pretty retarded things in the past, but this one definitely comes in the top ten.

 

[Brotherman Bill]

If you have enough internet to download games, you don't really have a legit "need" to do it either. The internet can offer so much entertainment that is completely free of charge so claiming that pirating games is in any way necessary and motivated out of anything but a wish to get shit free is just ridiculous.

 

[Antihero]

And here I thought Vogel's point was "Fuck it, if you're going to steal (sorry, infringe) you'll do it anyway. At least if you legitimately can't afford it and my game brings you some ray of sunshine in your otherwise miserable, pathetic life, then fine."

 

[KalosKagathos]

It's one thing to not have an anti-pirate/DRM point of view (like CDProject, for instance), quite another to actually ENDORSE people stealing from you. The latter is equivalent to bending over and telling someone that they can fuck you in the ass just because they're horny.

But is it still stealing if the owner does not mind?

 

[FeelTheRads]

If you believe that you created something worth the price you ask then you have absolutely every right, as well as an obligation to yourself, to want every penny that you can get for it. And if you don't think it's worth the price you ask, you have no business being a game developer in the first place.

You little piece of shit. You aborted subhuman. Did he say he didn't think his games are worth the price? Did he? All I see him saying is that if someone really can't afford to pay than he's fine with that person pirating it. Is that the same thing?
You human wannabe. You shithead. You regurgitation. Because he doesn't want money from people who wouldn't give it to him anyway and because he doesn't consider every download a lost sale that means he should never be a game developer?
Really? Who should be game developers then? Bethesda who protects their properties to absurd levels?
You fucking moron. Go fucking die while sodomizing yourself with your "writings" and stop polluting the air with your pretenses at having a functional brain.

 

[Forest Dweller]

You little piece of shit. You aborted subhuman. Did he say he didn't think his games are worth the price? Did he? All I see him saying is that if someone really can't afford to pay than he's fine with that person pirating it. Is that the same thing?

Fundamentally it is, dipshit. At the very least it undermines his own opiniion of the value of his work. I'm aware that you probably live in some socialist shithole and have a hard time wrapping your head around this, but wanting money for your work is actually a good thing.

You human wannabe. You shithead. You regurgitation.

You're pathetic.

Because he doesn't want money from people who wouldn't give it to him anyway and because he doesn't consider every download a lost sale that means he should never be a game developer?

Yeah, figured you'd be naive enough to actually think that if pirates couldn't pirate they'd never buy the game. But it goes along with all the retarded things you've said, so no surprise.

Really? Who should be game developers then? Bethesda who protects their properties to absurd levels?

A strawman is the best you could come up with?

You fucking moron. Go fucking die while sodomizing yourself with your "writings" and stop polluting the air with your pretenses at having a functional brain.

Wow, your butthurt increases almost daily. You're like a six-year-old throwing a tantrum because someone took your toys away. I'd say someone should talk to your parents, but they probably gave up on you a long time ago.

 

[FeelTheRads]

Fundamentally it is, dipshit.

Jesus, you are fundamentally retarded. Fundamentally, it's completely different. It's charitable, if you wish.

ZOMG, he doesn't get a tumor everytime someone pirates his game, that must mean he thinks his games are not worth the price.

You fucking oxygen waste.

but wanting money for your work is actually a good thing.

Fucking deep, man. This is the kind of reasoning that puts you and animals apart.

Because he really said he doesn't want money for the stuff he does. And everybody, obviously, always does stuff for money.

Yeah, figured you'd be naive enough to actually think that if pirates couldn't pirate they'd never buy the game

As the little piece of shit you are, you obviously don't understand what you're talking about. He meant the people who really wouldn't buy it anyway, because they couldn't afford it. But I'm sure, you, the capitalist frontman that you are will show me how actually everybody can afford games as long as they can afford a PC, right?

Wow, your butthurt increases almost daily

I still wonder where that butthurt may come from? Are you that pathetic that you're still clinging to the illusion that you won an argument against me?

 

[Davaris]

 

[visions]

You're like a six-year-old throwing a tantrum because someone took your toys away.

 

[Morkar Left]

He has good intentions and i would feel the same but the problem is that "poor" is a relative term:

Mandy wrote:
I have to admit that I did pirate my copies of Avernum 4-6. Based on this article, I'll offer this in my defence: I'm a poor college student (though admittedly, reducing my intake of junk food and takeaway coffee for a few weeks would probably cover the cost of a game);

This guy could afford the game if he would live healthy for a few weeks. But that´s totally inhuman and he has all rights to pirate the game instead. And I´m sure he´s not the only poor soul who has to live in such poverty. Especially if you think about how much Vogels games cost and what ridiculous hardware specs his games need.

I hope Vogel learned something at that day.

 

[Davaris]

I'd be interested to see what would happen to Vogel's profits, if he had a set price and a 'pay what you can afford' price.

 

[Forest Dweller]

Jesus, you are fundamentally retarded. Fundamentally, it's completely different. It's charitable, if you wish.

If you give it away, that's what you think. Dipshit.

ZOMG, he doesn't get a tumor everytime someone pirates his game, that must mean he thinks his games are not worth the price.

And that's not what he said. Read harder.

You fucking oxygen waste.

You're retarded.

but wanting money for your work is actually a good thing.

Fucking deep, man. This is the kind of reasoning that puts you and animals apart.

It's also the kind of reasoning that sets me aparts from less intelligent people.

Because he really said he doesn't want money for the stuff he does. And everybody, obviously, always does stuff for money.

He doesn't want money at least part of the time.

As the little piece of shit you are, you obviously don't understand what you're talking about. He meant the people who really wouldn't buy it anyway, because they couldn't afford it.

And that's bullshit.

But I'm sure, you, the capitalist frontman that you are will show me how actually everybody can afford games as long as they can afford a PC, right?

Pretty much. This should be obvious to anyone with half a brain.

I still wonder where that butthurt may come from? Are you that pathetic that you're still clinging to the illusion that you won an argument against me?

Every post you make against me shows how full of shit you are.