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[Lady Error]

There are a ton of jrpgs that don't have any lolis that are nevertheless disliked because of the art.

Infantilized cartoony art is the same shit. Big bulging eyes, small noses and mouths etc.

When the cartoony art is well done (and not infantilized) like in D:OS, I have no problem with it.

 

[Alex]

Whether something is a JRPG depends on gameplay, not on where it was made. Dark Souls or Resonance of Fate are not JRPGs, but LISA and Anachronox are.
It's just mentally handicapped people are incapable of understanding that JRPG doesn't mean "literally any RPG made in Japan", it means "game in style of Japanese RPGs" and the term was used to describe shit like FF or DQ.

Dark Souls doesn't play like a western RPG (you would not be able to provide a single example of a western game it's "copying"). It's a jrpg.

I thought Dark Souls was a 3d beat'em up.

 

[Roguey]

Your rebuttal doesn't make sense. I disagree with that statement. Tell me more.

The gameplay of Deus Ex, Elder Scrolls, New Vegas, Mass Effect, and the like is more palatable to me than most Euro RPGs. The masses agree. Europeans like/tolerate things that are janky and they like things that are hard, and to me (and most Americans) that is the worst combination. If something's going to have poor control/feedback/animation, at least make it easy, that's acceptable enough.

what's with this euro this euro that as if we were a blob
it's not fucking america where there are only freedumb anglos and canadian anglos and whole lotta goddamn spics everywhere you go

Frogs and Krauts and Slavs and so on all seem to really like each others' games.

 

[Abu Antar]

You seem to move the the goalpost of your arguments for every post.

American rpgs do better in America due to marketing. The games you mention are just as janky as Euro rpgs. Give those to uninitiated people, and they would probably not be able to guess which is Euro based, or America based.

What games are particularly difficult, in your opinion? Gothic? It's more about gated content than difficulty.

 

[BosanskiSeljak]

The gameplay of Deus Ex, Elder Scrolls, New Vegas, Mass Effect, and the like is more palatable to me than most Euro RPGs. The masses agree. Europeans like/tolerate things that are janky and they like things that are hard, and to me (and most Americans) that is the worst combination. If something's going to have poor control/feedback/animation, at least make it easy, that's acceptable enough.

Gothic controls are more responsive than anything you listed. The only jank comes from target locking when there's a crowd of enemies.

 

[Sigourn]

This is western cope. Dark Souls has action jrpg-derived design.

Ask any JRPG fan for a JRPG and they will look at you weid for recommending Dark Souls.
It's a Japanese Action RPG. It's not a JRPG though. It has none of the things that appeal to JRPG fans.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

Clearly all Dark Souls games are based on legendary smash hit Drakan Order of the Flame. Checkmate, weebs.

 

[LarryTyphoid]

This game looks like JRPG the JRPG. They even have the bikini beach sidequest in the Steam screenshots.

 

[caffeine]

I don't get where the argument of euros being scared of cartoony art comes from. Manga and anime became popular in Europe before it did in America and it still enjoys a lot of popularity here, as well as reasonable social acceptability compared to the US.

 

[Alex]

This game looks like JRPG the JRPG. They even have the bikini beach sidequest in the Steam screenshots.

[some jrpg stuff]

Not sure what game is that, but please don't derail this thread; go post that in the jrpg forum.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

So one super "fun" thing about these games (at least Sky/Cold Steel) is the performance review. At regular chapters you are rated on numerous easily missable events and quests, where skipping even one permanently locks you out of numerous rewards and benefits. Since the game carries over stuff between titles, you're meant to play each of these 100+ hour games multiple times to perfect your rank for each game. That's not even talking about the mutually exclusive optional events; in order to have a complete file for all characters you need, yep, multiple playthroughs. Everything transfers between games so I don't know how many times you would have to play all 4 Cold Steel games to get everything.

Really, there's regular weeb games, kawaiidesudesu nonsense, then there's this.

 

[BosanskiSeljak]

Manga and anime became popular in Europe

I don't know what it's like in west europe but weebs in slavic countries (russia is the worst for this) deserve death, the most retarded people i have every encountered. better to have a country full of alocholic degenerates than those scum. fuck weebs

 

[Grauken]

I don't get where the argument of euros being scared of cartoony art comes from. Manga and anime became popular in Europe before it did in America and it still enjoys a lot of popularity here, as well as reasonable social acceptability compared to the US.

Roguey clearly knows nothing about Europe.

 

[Maxie]

Manga and anime became popular in Europe

I don't know what it's like in west europe but weebs in slavic countries (russia is the worst for this) deserve death, the most retarded people i have every encountered. better to have a country full of alocholic degenerates than those scum. fuck weebs

best you nuts stay in your 'slavic countries' and we normal people stay in our European countries, and we drop some bombs on your heads

 

[BosanskiSeljak]

best you nuts stay in your 'slavic countries' and we normal people stay in our European countries, and we drop some bombs on your heads

You need to take your meds

 

[Falksi]

Also, I didn't know that Roguey was Euro racist.

Human nature to hate that which is superior.

 

[Grauken]

Americans are too weak to play European games, now it all makes sense

Nah, it's just Roguey.

Yeah, I know most of you guys are great

Roguey just caught me off guard with Rusty-level of ignorance

 

[MasPingon]

The legend of garbage... Serious, who even plays this trash?

The fact you can't build a party of faggots and fuck a bear doesn't make it a trash. You and your new standards.

 

[elverkongen]

Chrono Trigger is probably as complex, spatially, as you can go without changing the genre; and the only because it is implemented in a way that it hardly matters.

The series that* the game being discussed is a part of is known for having combat that emphasizes positioning (albeit to a lesser extent in the Cold Steel series). Positioning matters, not as much as in a tactical game but much more than typical JRPGs, Chrono Trigger included. And yet, it still is unequivocally a JRPG.

 

[Alex]

(...) (albeit to a lesser extent in the Cold Steel series) (...)

I should play that series. I've always wondered what he was like while still in the Sonic Fighting Academy.

 

[elverkongen]

This game looks like JRPG the JRPG. They even have the bikini beach sidequest in the Steam screenshots.

From left to right:
Doggystyle, missionary, missionary, cowgirl, amazon and... doggystyle

Spoiler

Don't even get me started on the girls

 

[CarbonCarousel]

It's 2023 we can do away with meaningless and racist terms born out of early 2000s nerds' false sense of superiority. Do we call Gothic and ELEX "German RPG", Witcher series "PRPG" or Larian's brand of games "BRPG"?

 

[turkishronin]

It's 2023 we can do away with meaningless and racist terms born out of early 2000s nerds' false sense of superiority. Do we call Gothic and ELEX "German RPG", Witcher series "PRPG" or Larian's brand of games "BRPG"?

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[Modron]

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I agree.

 

[Shadenuat]

So one super "fun" thing about these games (at least Sky/Cold Steel) is the performance review. At regular chapters you are rated on numerous easily missable events and quests, where skipping even one permanently locks you out of numerous rewards and benefits. Since the game carries over stuff between titles, you're meant to play each of these 100+ hour games multiple times to perfect your rank for each game. That's not even talking about the mutually exclusive optional events; in order to have a complete file for all characters you need, yep, multiple playthroughs. Everything transfers between games so I don't know how many times you would have to play all 4 Cold Steel games to get everything.

Really, there's regular weeb games, kawaiidesudesu nonsense, then there's this.

Getting S is usually about one obscure quest about saving another cat and it doesn't affect plot so idk (or like it does affect plot but losing is very hard)

And of course fuck fisheng

In the end best part of good trails games is that they're just relaxing. Kiddo first adventuring, camaraderie, seeing party grow and become friends, characters being somewhat likeable etc.
It's what wrpgs lost long time ago, as everyone ever there atm has to be as unlikable as possible as writers themselves just hate good stories and humanity or whatever or tryhards muh serious wreteng.