Kingdom Come: Deliverance II - Henry's coming to see us on February 4th

[cvv]

Im 100% sure that jews will be depicted in good/stereotypical way in KCD2 like "oh we are just poor money lenders, we would so love to plow the fields and get full rights to plow the land yadda yadda" instead of "yes we run the organized crime, yes we pay bandits to assault merchants, yes we have underground coin clipping operation, yes we shook goyim, yes we scam taxes to the crown, yes we do little of slave trading, yes we spit when we see crosses"

Slave trading? Bruh, this is 1400s not 900s.

 

[Stavrophore]

Im 100% sure that jews will be depicted in good/stereotypical way in KCD2 like "oh we are just poor money lenders, we would so love to plow the fields and get full rights to plow the land yadda yadda" instead of "yes we run the organized crime, yes we pay bandits to assault merchants, yes we have underground coin clipping operation, yes we shook goyim, yes we scam taxes to the crown, yes we do little of slave trading, yes we spit when we see crosses"

Slave trading? Bruh, this is 1400s not 900s.

European rulers bought slaves from markets of Genoa or Venice, later on the slave trade was closed due to ottomans controlling the routes. Jews were often endulging in this business in the wealthy italian cities and delivered slaves across the europe.

 

[cvv]

Im 100% sure that jews will be depicted in good/stereotypical way in KCD2 like "oh we are just poor money lenders, we would so love to plow the fields and get full rights to plow the land yadda yadda" instead of "yes we run the organized crime, yes we pay bandits to assault merchants, yes we have underground coin clipping operation, yes we shook goyim, yes we scam taxes to the crown, yes we do little of slave trading, yes we spit when we see crosses"

Slave trading? Bruh, this is 1400s not 900s.

European rulers bought slaves from markets of Genoa or Venice, later on the slave trade was closed due to ottomans controlling the routes. Jews were often endulging in this business in the wealthy italian cities and delivered slaves across the europe.

Yes but Uzhice is not Venice.

It's like that famous argument 7 years ago - "How do you NOT have any black people in KCD? There were plenty of them in Spain!"

 

[NecroLord]

Im 100% sure that jews will be depicted in good/stereotypical way in KCD2 like "oh we are just poor money lenders, we would so love to plow the fields and get full rights to plow the land yadda yadda" instead of "yes we run the organized crime, yes we pay bandits to assault merchants, yes we have underground coin clipping operation, yes we shook goyim, yes we scam taxes to the crown, yes we do little of slave trading, yes we spit when we see crosses"

Slave trading? Bruh, this is 1400s not 900s.

European rulers bought slaves from markets of Genoa or Venice, later on the slave trade was closed due to ottomans controlling the routes. Jews were often endulging in this business in the wealthy italian cities and delivered slaves across the europe.

Yes but Uzhice is not Venice.

It's like that famous argument 7 years ago - "How do you NOT have any black people in KCD? There were plenty of them in Spain!"

Why there be no african-americans in Kangdom Cum?
You be rayciss an' sheeeit.


-100 ESG score.

 

[NecroLord]

Yiddish and Romani confirmed.

And Kuttenberg, at this time, was known for having a small Jewish community, so Yiddish makes sense.

Based Vavra and Warhorse embracing historical verisimilitude!

Aw, we goin' to rabbi tunnels now?

 

[thesecret1]

European rulers bought slaves from markets of Genoa or Venice, later on the slave trade was closed due to ottomans controlling the routes. Jews were often endulging in this business in the wealthy italian cities and delivered slaves across the europe.

It was a very marginal trade during that time frame, slaves being something of an extravagance, and usually consisted of muslim war captives. Mass slavery from times of antiquity mostly died out due to both spread of Christianity (christians keeping other christians enslaved was forbidden) and technological advances that saw many of the tasks normally delegated to slaves done by machinery (windmills, for example). The trade persisted during the middle ages by enslaving pagans (albeit at a much lower rate than during ancient times), but with christianization both in the north and east, those slave sources dried out.

 

[Stavrophore]

European rulers bought slaves from markets of Genoa or Venice, later on the slave trade was closed due to ottomans controlling the routes. Jews were often endulging in this business in the wealthy italian cities and delivered slaves across the europe.

It was a very marginal trade during that time frame, slaves being something of an extravagance, and usually consisted of muslim war captives. Mass slavery from times of antiquity mostly died out due to both spread of Christianity (christians keeping other christians enslaved was forbidden) and technological advances that saw many of the tasks normally delegated to slaves done by machinery (windmills, for example). The trade persisted during the middle ages by enslaving pagans (albeit at a much lower rate than during ancient times), but with christianization both in the north and east, those slave sources dried out.

It was smaller than in antiquity, but it was still prominent for wealthier clients, and the slave trade reached to various wealthy places - netherlands, england and possibly kutenberg too if it had silver mine.

 

[Yosharian]

European rulers bought slaves from markets of Genoa or Venice, later on the slave trade was closed due to ottomans controlling the routes. Jews were often endulging in this business in the wealthy italian cities and delivered slaves across the europe.

So they were doing what everyone else was doing?

 

[Stavrophore]

So they were doing what everyone else was doing?

It was shunned by the church and jews pushed for slave trading. Similarily you can have society that shuns criminals, although crime still will occasionaly happen, and then have minority of people whose morals have no problem with the given particular crime/vice and will push it on that society and indulge some people who happen to have wealth and lack of morals. That's the 101 of how countries corrupt.

 

[likash]

BASSSEEEDDDDDDDDD

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

The only problem with Vavra is he only made 3 games in the last 25 years. And one of them is still unreleased.

Basically GRRM?

Would be like G """RR""" M, except that Vavra's products have a modicum of quality.

 

[cvv]

The media vs. the gamers when KCD2 sells a million copies on the release day.

 

[Yosharian]

So they were doing what everyone else was doing?

It was shunned by the church and jews pushed for slave trading. Similarily you can have society that shuns criminals, although crime still will occasionaly happen, and then have minority of people whose morals have no problem with the given particular crime/vice and will push it on that society and indulge some people who happen to have wealth and lack of morals. That's the 101 of how countries corrupt.

Shunned by the church lmao

 

[Zariusz]

So they were doing what everyone else was doing?

It was shunned by the church and jews pushed for slave trading. Similarily you can have society that shuns criminals, although crime still will occasionaly happen, and then have minority of people whose morals have no problem with the given particular crime/vice and will push it on that society and indulge some people who happen to have wealth and lack of morals. That's the 101 of how countries corrupt.

Shunned by the church lmao

Yeah, for example in early medieval Bohemia this was one of the reasons why Bishop of Prague, Saint Wojciech had to run away to Poland and his family was killed. Prague was one of most important centres of slave trading in Central Europe at that time, it was so profitable that local elites reacted reacted very aggresively on any opposition in that matter. Generally slave trade depended on jewish merchants called Radhanites (possibly from the area of Rhone river in France) who traveled areas from Spain to central asia.
Radhanites bought slaves and went either to Venice and from there to Al Andalus, or to the east to central asia (more important direction since most of the silver used in trade was mined and minted in those areas), during the more pagan times local warlords raided their rivals and part of the defeated populations was sold to Jews for silver, this was used to build early states in the area.

Contrary to your retarded fedora tipping, Christianity was one of the main reasons for the decline of slave trade, from both religious (you want to have more converts to save souls) and economic (for more civilised and stable places settling captives was just more profitable) perspectives. Certain areas where it was ignored in this matter (like Prague for a long time) show us that generally with Christianity ignored or not present selling of locals would continue even when it wasn't as profitable, silver from the east dried up in the first half of XI century yet Jews continued to trade even in the 1300s (there are mentions of certain queen or duchess that sold her own property to buy out Christians from Jews).
Without Church slave trade wouldn't be minimalised to mainly foreign pagan elements and locals would be traded normally instead of that being limited to criminal scum and shady shitholes like Venetian Republic, i really doubt that most pagans would gather funds and sold their own property for someone they didn't know and the idea of pagan exchanging himself to save someone not related sounds quite ridiculous yet in Poland monks often did that to save captives from Tatar and Ottoman raids.

 

[Yosharian]

So they were doing what everyone else was doing?

It was shunned by the church and jews pushed for slave trading. Similarily you can have society that shuns criminals, although crime still will occasionaly happen, and then have minority of people whose morals have no problem with the given particular crime/vice and will push it on that society and indulge some people who happen to have wealth and lack of morals. That's the 101 of how countries corrupt.

Shunned by the church lmao

Yeah, for example in early medieval Bohemia this was one of the reasons why Bishop of Prague, Saint Wojciech had to run away to Poland and his family was killed. Prague was one of most important centres of slave trading in Central Europe at that time, it was so profitable that local elites reacted reacted very aggresively on any opposition in that matter. Generally slave trade depended on jewish merchants called Radhanites (possibly from the area of Rhone river in France) who traveled areas from Spain to central asia.
Radhanites bought slaves and went either to Venice and from there to Al Andalus, or to the east to central asia (more important direction since most of the silver used in trade was mined and minted in those areas), during the more pagan times local warlords raided their rivals and part of the defeated populations was sold to Jews for silver, this was used to build early states in the area.

Contrary to your retarded fedora tipping, Christianity was one of the main reasons for the decline of slave trade, from both religious (you want to have more converts to save souls) and economic (for more civilised and stable places settling captives was just more profitable) perspectives. Certain areas where it was ignored in this matter (like Prague for a long time) show us that generally with Christianity ignored or not present selling of locals would continue even when it wasn't as profitable, silver from the east dried up in the first half of XI century yet Jews continued to trade even in the 1300s (there are mentions of certain queen or duchess that sold her own property to buy out Christians from Jews).
Without Church slave trade wouldn't be minimalised to mainly foreign pagan elements and locals would be traded normally instead of that being limited to criminal scum and shady shitholes like Venetian Republic, i really doubt that most pagans would gather funds and sold their own property for someone they didn't know and the idea of pagan exchanging himself to save someone not related sounds quite ridiculous yet in Poland monks often did that to save captives from Tatar and Ottoman raids.

I'm sorry but I have a real hard time believing that Christianity in general was the one good egg in this otherwise shit era of slavery

Even in the New Testament it isn't obvious what the overall viewpoint on slavery is, there's a lot of contradictory stuff

Also the way you guys fixate on Jews is ridiculous, like tons of people at that time were still trading slaves not just Jews, yet all anyone ever goes on about is 'the fucking Jews were still doing it!'

Like 'Jews weren't progressive in the 1300s!' is not the smoking gun you think it is dude

 

[NecroLord]

So they were doing what everyone else was doing?

It was shunned by the church and jews pushed for slave trading. Similarily you can have society that shuns criminals, although crime still will occasionaly happen, and then have minority of people whose morals have no problem with the given particular crime/vice and will push it on that society and indulge some people who happen to have wealth and lack of morals. That's the 101 of how countries corrupt.

Shunned by the church lmao

Yeah, for example in early medieval Bohemia this was one of the reasons why Bishop of Prague, Saint Wojciech had to run away to Poland and his family was killed. Prague was one of most important centres of slave trading in Central Europe at that time, it was so profitable that local elites reacted reacted very aggresively on any opposition in that matter. Generally slave trade depended on jewish merchants called Radhanites (possibly from the area of Rhone river in France) who traveled areas from Spain to central asia.
Radhanites bought slaves and went either to Venice and from there to Al Andalus, or to the east to central asia (more important direction since most of the silver used in trade was mined and minted in those areas), during the more pagan times local warlords raided their rivals and part of the defeated populations was sold to Jews for silver, this was used to build early states in the area.

Contrary to your retarded fedora tipping, Christianity was one of the main reasons for the decline of slave trade, from both religious (you want to have more converts to save souls) and economic (for more civilised and stable places settling captives was just more profitable) perspectives. Certain areas where it was ignored in this matter (like Prague for a long time) show us that generally with Christianity ignored or not present selling of locals would continue even when it wasn't as profitable, silver from the east dried up in the first half of XI century yet Jews continued to trade even in the 1300s (there are mentions of certain queen or duchess that sold her own property to buy out Christians from Jews).
Without Church slave trade wouldn't be minimalised to mainly foreign pagan elements and locals would be traded normally instead of that being limited to criminal scum and shady shitholes like Venetian Republic, i really doubt that most pagans would gather funds and sold their own property for someone they didn't know and the idea of pagan exchanging himself to save someone not related sounds quite ridiculous yet in Poland monks often did that to save captives from Tatar and Ottoman raids.

I'm sorry but I have a real hard time believing that Christianity in general was the one good egg in this otherwise shit era of slavery

Even in the New Testament it isn't obvious what the overall viewpoint on slavery is, there's a lot of contradictory stuff

Also the way you guys fixate on Jews is ridiculous, like tons of people at that time were still trading slaves not just Jews, yet anyone ever goes on about is 'the fucking Jews were still doing it!'

Like 'Jews weren't progressive in the 1300s!' is not the smoking gun you think it is dude

You might be able to use the joos in the game as target practice for your bow/crossbow, or maybe even stabby stab them with your blade.

WHAT?
Is Vavra antisemitic now?

 

[Morgoth]

Damn I like this girl

thumbnails like this get a "fight right off" from me

Somehow, using a big-ass Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh meme as your thumbnail is good for the algorithm.

 

[NecroLord]

Damn I like this girl

Reaction video genre needs to die in a fire.

 

[cvv]

Reaction video genre needs to die in a fire.

"Black rapper listens to Beethoven for the first time" need to go first tho.

 

[thesecret1]

I'm sorry but I have a real hard time believing that Christianity in general was the one good egg in this otherwise shit era of slavery

Then go and look it up, information is one quick internet search away, it's not some secret knowledge available only to the select few.

Even in the New Testament it isn't obvious what the overall viewpoint on slavery is, there's a lot of contradictory stuff

The view of the Church, on the other hand, had been very clear throughout the ages, namely that christians may not keep other christians in slavery.

 

[Paul_cz]

Reaction video genre needs to die in a fire.

At least she finished first KCD incl. DLCs so she has some cred

 

[Ryzer]

Im 100% sure that jews will be depicted in good/stereotypical way in KCD2 like "oh we are just poor money lenders, we would so love to plow the fields and get full rights to plow the land yadda yadda" instead of "yes we run the organized crime, yes we pay bandits to assault merchants, yes we have underground coin clipping operation, yes we shook goyim, yes we scam taxes to the crown, yes we do little of slave trading, yes we spit when we see crosses"

Slave trading? Bruh, this is 1400s not 900s.

European rulers bought slaves from markets of Genoa or Venice, later on the slave trade was closed due to ottomans controlling the routes. Jews were often endulging in this business in the wealthy italian cities and delivered slaves across the europe.

Dan Vavra is Jewish, I remember reading it somewhere. He comes from an Ashkenazi Jewish family.

 

[Stavrophore]

Im 100% sure that jews will be depicted in good/stereotypical way in KCD2 like "oh we are just poor money lenders, we would so love to plow the fields and get full rights to plow the land yadda yadda" instead of "yes we run the organized crime, yes we pay bandits to assault merchants, yes we have underground coin clipping operation, yes we shook goyim, yes we scam taxes to the crown, yes we do little of slave trading, yes we spit when we see crosses"

Slave trading? Bruh, this is 1400s not 900s.

European rulers bought slaves from markets of Genoa or Venice, later on the slave trade was closed due to ottomans controlling the routes. Jews were often endulging in this business in the wealthy italian cities and delivered slaves across the europe.

Dan Vavra is Jewish, I remember reading it somewhere. He comes from an Ashkenazi Jewish family.

Its truly Every Single Time.

 

[Ascetic]

Why are retards getting triggered by basic historical facts that you can look up in any mainstream source?

From the Wikipedia article for the Prague slave trade:

Traditionally, the slave traders acquiring the slaves in Prague and transporting them to the slave market of al-Andalus are said to have been dominated by the Jewish Radhanite merchants.[15] Pope Gelasius I (492) permitted Jews to transport slaves from Gaul to Italy on the condition that they were Pagans, and by the time of Pope Gregory the Great (590-604), Jews were a dominating actor in the slave trade.[16]

This particular network died out in the 11th century, but slavery continued in Europe through several other networks, including the Black Sea trade, which was dominated by the Italians during the time of KCD and then shifted to the Crimeans/Ottomans just a few decades later. Jews were heavily involved in all of these, because they could buy/sell/castrate Christian, Muslim, and pagan slaves without religious restrictions. This is just basic academic history.

Venice is just a few hundred miles from Bohemia, as were the areas that the Crimeans used to raid for slaves. That's a pretty normal distance for merchants to travel and Venice to Prague was a major trade route. So, yes, it's quite possible that Jewish merchants in 15th century Bohemia were connected to slave trading, either directly or indirectly.

 

[cvv]

Is anyone watching that IGN shit? I always give it a peak, carefully coz it's full of spoilers, but save for the "First 43 minutes" video it's all so dry and boring.