KickStarter Kingdom Come: Deliverance Pre-Release Thread [RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Kem0sabe]

From what i've read of their blog posts, they are more interested in the combat and sandbox experience than the C&C (at least that's what i took out of it), fair enough it's a valid approach and as a fan of games like Dragons Dogma and Darksouls where gameplay trumps everything, i enjoy it. But something like a FNV approach to sandbox would make my day.

 

[eremita]

The fact that they think story and character are secondary says it all to me, my interest plummeted right then.

He didn't say anything about them being secondary you dumb fuck. He said he didn't expect publishers to care about things like that during pitching (but more about "wow" moments and sheeet).

From what i've read of their blog posts, they are more interested in the combat and sandbox experience than the C&C (at least that's what i took out of it), fair enough it's a valid approach and as a fan of games like Dragons Dogma and Darksouls where gameplay trumps everything, i enjoy it. But something like a FNV approach to sandbox would make my day.

More of this bullshit? Where did you read that? Not true.

Hm, I wish them luck for their tour-de-force-pitching, but I'd like to hear more about the current state of the game, or at least what they are aiming for.
Their original ramblings sounded interesting, and I would like to see what came out of them over the course of the project.

Then again, considering that publisher meddling is probably about to start soon, it might be too early for that.

It should be historically accurate medieval openworld RPG. No fantasy/magic/elves stuff.

 

[Gord]

It should be historically accurate medieval openworld RPG. No fantasy/magic/elves stuff.

Yes, which is one of the interesting parts, imho. They also talked about open world design in general and how they tried to recreate some real-world location within a game, given engine and gameplay limitations. Which is what I'm most curious reading about, actually.

 

[Kem0sabe]

The fact that they think story and character are secondary says it all to me, my interest plummeted right then.

He didn't say anything about them being secondary you dumb fuck. He said he didn't expect publishers to care about things like that during pitching (but more about "wow" moments and sheeet).

From what i've read of their blog posts, they are more interested in the combat and sandbox experience than the C&C (at least that's what i took out of it), fair enough it's a valid approach and as a fan of games like Dragons Dogma and Darksouls where gameplay trumps everything, i enjoy it. But something like a FNV approach to sandbox would make my day.

More of this bullshit? Where did you read that? Not true.

Such anger, are you one of those malcontent Czech the blog claims are Europeans?

 

[Baron Dupek]

Some food photo and archeologic costume, stolen from Lara C. wardobe.

 

[mikaelis]

From what i've read of their blog posts, they are more interested in the combat and sandbox experience than the C&C (at least that's what i took out of it), fair enough it's a valid approach and as a fan of games like Dragons Dogma and Darksouls where gameplay trumps everything, i enjoy it. But something like a FNV approach to sandbox would make my day.

Nah, he never said that. What can be gathered from his blog (all entries) is that the story and setting is equally impotant. If not more.

The only debatable thing is that they are opting for more twitch/player skill combat. Which is understandable for aRPG with FPP.

 

[eremita]

The fact that they think story and character are secondary says it all to me, my interest plummeted right then.

He didn't say anything about them being secondary you dumb fuck. He said he didn't expect publishers to care about things like that during pitching (but more about "wow" moments and sheeet).

From what i've read of their blog posts, they are more interested in the combat and sandbox experience than the C&C (at least that's what i took out of it), fair enough it's a valid approach and as a fan of games like Dragons Dogma and Darksouls where gameplay trumps everything, i enjoy it. But something like a FNV approach to sandbox would make my day.

More of this bullshit? Where did you read that? Not true.

Such anger, are you one of those malcontent Czech the blog claims are Europeans?

Nope. I just hate people who can't comprehend what they're reading despite thinking they do. They're lesser human beings. Stupid cunts, if you will. And they should be castrate so they won't contaminate rest of the world...

 

[Smejki]

The fact that they think story and character are secondary says it all to me, my interest plummeted right then.

secondary on pitch meetings

 

[mikaelis]

Nope. I just hate people who can't comprehend what they're reading despite thinking they do. They're lesser human beings. Stupid cunts, if you will. And they should be castrate so they won't contaminate rest of the world...

Hiver is strong in this one :D. Chill out bro.

On topic:
I don't know. Their talks with publishers sounds rather positive, but not breath-taking. I also have a feeling that Daniel downplays himself a bit in this article. I mean, he is a veteran dev with a couple of well-acclaimed big titles under his belt after all. So those 1: 1000 chances phrases are a bit exaggerated.

But all in all, I guess it is a good news, as long as they will not compromise too much (most importantly historic, no-magic, medieval setting and RPG elements).

 

[Grunker]

From what i've read of their blog posts, they are more interested in the combat and sandbox experience than the C&C (at least that's what i took out of it), fair enough it's a valid approach and as a fan of games like Dragons Dogma and Darksouls where gameplay trumps everything, i enjoy it. But something like a FNV approach to sandbox would make my day.

Nah, he never said that. What can be gathered from his blog (all entries) is that the story and setting is equally impotant. If not more.

The only debatable thing is that they are opting for more twitch/player skill combat. Which is understandable for aRPG with FPP.

well according to vavra it's because we can finally do realistic combat without relying on outdated grognard shit like dice rolls

 

[mikaelis]

From what i've read of their blog posts, they are more interested in the combat and sandbox experience than the C&C (at least that's what i took out of it), fair enough it's a valid approach and as a fan of games like Dragons Dogma and Darksouls where gameplay trumps everything, i enjoy it. But something like a FNV approach to sandbox would make my day.

Nah, he never said that. What can be gathered from his blog (all entries) is that the story and setting is equally impotant. If not more.

The only debatable thing is that they are opting for more twitch/player skill combat. Which is understandable for aRPG with FPP.

well according to vavra it's because we can finally do realistic combat without relying on outdated grognard shit like dice rolls

Yeah, there is that. OTOH not every game needs to follow dice rolls. It may have been cumbersome if they applied it for Warhorse. For me it is shaping up to be action FPS with character progression ala RPG and story, which is fine. If they went for isometric hardcore RPG, I would be all over TB with dice rolls.

 

[Smejki]

Well that's a question. Is FNV less of an RPG because of first person 3D and direct action? I think not.
And I think this is what Warhorse aims for.

 

[Grunker]

From what i've read of their blog posts, they are more interested in the combat and sandbox experience than the C&C (at least that's what i took out of it), fair enough it's a valid approach and as a fan of games like Dragons Dogma and Darksouls where gameplay trumps everything, i enjoy it. But something like a FNV approach to sandbox would make my day.

Nah, he never said that. What can be gathered from his blog (all entries) is that the story and setting is equally impotant. If not more.

The only debatable thing is that they are opting for more twitch/player skill combat. Which is understandable for aRPG with FPP.

well according to vavra it's because we can finally do realistic combat without relying on outdated grognard shit like dice rolls

Yeah, there is that. OTOH not every game needs to follow dice rolls. It may have been cumbersome if they applied it for Warhorse. For me it is shaping up to be action FPS with character progression ala RPG and story, which is fine. If they went for isometric hardcore RPG, I would be all over TB with dice rolls.

Well that's a question. Is FNV less of an RPG because of first person 3D and direct action? I think not.
And I think this is what Warhorse aims for.

Hence the troll. I will be all over this if it is F:NV with swords. However, what Vavra have been saying about die rolls flows into his opinion about stats. And F:NV had a bunch of stats and skills and such. If this ends up with next to no actual RPG systems/classic RPG progression, my enthusiam dwindles down a lot. That's the reason I had a shouting match with Vavra earlier, and I'm not sure the picture became clearer since then. F:NV also took some excellent tools and great experience to develop, which I'm not sure we'll see from Warhorse.

But hey, I'm not dismissive, I'm just sceptic.

 

[mikaelis]

But hey, I'm not dismissive, I'm just sceptic.

I have never been more skeptic man! Especially after the X-Rebirth disaster. They will be pulling out shekels from me with horses. WITH HORSES!!!!

 

[Smejki]

From what i've read of their blog posts, they are more interested in the combat and sandbox experience than the C&C (at least that's what i took out of it), fair enough it's a valid approach and as a fan of games like Dragons Dogma and Darksouls where gameplay trumps everything, i enjoy it. But something like a FNV approach to sandbox would make my day.

Nah, he never said that. What can be gathered from his blog (all entries) is that the story and setting is equally impotant. If not more.

The only debatable thing is that they are opting for more twitch/player skill combat. Which is understandable for aRPG with FPP.

well according to vavra it's because we can finally do realistic combat without relying on outdated grognard shit like dice rolls

Yeah, there is that. OTOH not every game needs to follow dice rolls. It may have been cumbersome if they applied it for Warhorse. For me it is shaping up to be action FPS with character progression ala RPG and story, which is fine. If they went for isometric hardcore RPG, I would be all over TB with dice rolls.

Well that's a question. Is FNV less of an RPG because of first person 3D and direct action? I think not.
And I think this is what Warhorse aims for.

Hence the troll. I will be all over this if it is F:NV with swords. However, what Vavra have been saying about die rolls flows into his opinion about stats. And F:NV had a bunch of stats and skills and such. If this ends up with next to no actual RPG systems/classic RPG progression, my enthusiam dwindles down a lot. That's the reason I had a shouting match with Vavra earlier, and I'm not sure the picture became clearer since then. F:NV also took some excellent tools and great experience to develop, which I'm not sure we'll see from Warhorse.

But hey, I'm not dismissive, I'm just sceptic.

I am pretty sure he was only talking about systems where you can replace dice roll with direct control of action - like combat. Maybe lockpick, stealth?
But there is a bunch of stuff you cannot do well without dice roll and probability checks. Or without simple stat/skill checks. - like dialogues and C&C triggers, mainly. And that's where RP of RPG dwells imho. So he will stick with "the old" in these cases because there is no work around it. Unless he would want Arcania Gothic 4?

Heck, I think he even mentioned something like this in recent GDS conference (the famous video is from the last year's session). Gotta be on guard. Some videos of it will be out shortly. I might translate it for for you later. He also brought up Arcania as an example of shitty quest design so the troll up here is really just a troll.

Also rememeber Dan praises FNV as one of the best RPGs, he loves old Fallouts, likes Witcher (prefers W1), heavily criticizes Bethesda design (though loves the open world concept in its rough shape)... Their main tech designer is an Operation Flashpoint veteran who prefers making complex living worlds over lazyass linear trigger pornography (he also had a lecture on GDS so I know this).

My worry is mainly how publisher will interfere with these ideas which I think are close to the true vision of the team. Good thing is that FNV sold fucking well, as well as Witcher or DX:HR (I know, not an RPG but for sure an inteligent complicated game). And Skyrim is a hit number one. So Warhorse have a strong argument to force their vision through to final product.

 

[Smejki]

Do you like articles (brought to you by Mountain Dew) announcing an incoming annoucement? Well, I guess I had to jump on that train one day.

Something "special" is coming!
https://twitter.com/WarhorseStudios/status/412625165550641152

 

[cvv]

Do you like articles (brought to you by Mountain Dew) announcing an incoming annoucement? Well, I guess I had to jump on that train one day.

Something "special" is coming!
https://twitter.com/WarhorseStudios/status/412625165550641152

This tweet was completely unanounced.

 

[evdk]

Do you like articles (brought to you by Mountain Dew) announcing an incoming annoucement? Well, I guess I had to jump on that train one day.

Something "special" is coming!
https://twitter.com/WarhorseStudios/status/412625165550641152

This tweet was completely unanounced.

That's how we roll in Bohemia, motherfucker.

 

[Smejki]

W00t, new website launched!
Name announced, teaser revealed! ... and there is also the new blog post.
http://kingdomcomerpg.com/

 

[deuxhero]

An announcement of an announcement with no gameplay.

 

[cvv]

An announcement of an announcement with no gameplay.

Yeah, too bad, although it is a teaser.

So far so good, only I'd like the name better without the overly histrionic "Deliverance" subtitle. Just "Kingdom Come" sounds great.

If the game is half as fun as them blogs about producing and pitching the game we are in for some good times.

 

[abnaxus]

 

[zwanzig_zwoelf]

Kurwa Come: The Chezh attempt to make their own Skyrim with blackjack and hookers.

 

[Wirdschowerdn]

Sounds like a game that won't be screwing around. Sounds like a real deal.

 

[cvv]

Kurwa Come: The Chezh attempt to make their own Skyrim with blackjack and hookers.

Just like Polacy with the Witcher 3 then, only with less popamole