KickStarter Knights of the Chalice 2 Thread - Augury of Chaos

[Tacgnol]

gaem too hard, numbers make head hurt

Not that simple though is it. Roxor has made perfectly valid points throughout this thread.

Most of the difficult combat encounters boil down to reload until you get perfect initiative, reload until the enemy fails saves against whatever save or suck or save or die spell you're trying to do (or combat maneuver to insta kill the toughest enemy).

I thought the Codex considered savescumming popamole?

 

[Iluvcheezcake]

Game needs some serious balancing, and adding of point buy mechanic in char gen.

Aim still playing my lol 6 wiz party mostly because i got nothing else to play

 

[Hoaxmetal]

The frustrating thing is that the game is actually close to being very good.

Then all you guys need to do is provide good feedback to Pierre, and he will make the necessary changes.

We're talking about having an entirely different mindset, not some small balinse changes. If this module is Pierre's vision of Kotc2 then I'd rather have him stop working on new modules and just focus on the editor. But what autist artiste has ever done the sensible thing?

 

[Mortmal]

Oh fuck off.

I'm perfectly serious. This is a small niche game, and he's got the keys, but he needs to know what needs fixing.

We've been very vocal on discord, if by now he still dont get it, there's absolutely nothing we can do.

 

[groke]

Every time I start this game up, I get this vivid image of Pierre hitting me in the face with my own hands, cackling "STOP HITTING YOURSELF! STOP HITTING YOURSELF!" and quit again.

 

[NJClaw]

Is the grey goblin elder supposed to offer infinite rests? I go back to him after every encounter and he keeps giving me a rest every time.

 

[Mortmal]

Is the grey goblin elder supposed to offer infinite rests? I went back to him after every encounter and he keeps giving me a rest every time.

Till you start chapter 3, then the passage collapse.

 

[NJClaw]

Is the grey goblin elder supposed to offer infinite rests? I went back to him after every encounter and he keeps giving me a rest every time.

Till you start chapter 3, then the passage collapse.

So, let me get this straight, if I want to take out the crones-witches-medusa-whatever the fuck they are, I have to deal with them during chapter 2, before the insane fight after the stairs?

 

[Jasede]

No, you can come back. The passage collapses where you fought the Goblin King, so the crones are still accessible.
For the "best" result (to save you reloading and redoing this in the future) I recommend that you take their scrolls ("magic knowledge") and then kill them sometime in Chapter 3, without ever giving them the Tome.

This will unlock a demon fighter companion fighting for you in Chapter 4, as well as an extra reward, that you have no way to know about at this point.

 

[Nryn]

So, let me get this straight, if I want to take out the crones-witches-medusa-whatever the fuck they are, I have to deal with them during chapter 2, before the insane fight after the stairs?

Crones became inaccessible to me after Chapter 4 began. When you are about to take the exit out of Chapter 3, the game requires you to confirm your intent to push onward to the castle. You can pick a fight with the crones until then.

 

[NJClaw]

No, you can come back. The passage collapses where you fought the Goblin King, so the crones are still accessible.
For the "best" result (to save you reloading and redoing this in the future) I recommend that you take their scrolls ("magic knowledge") and then kill them sometime in Chapter 3, without ever giving them the Tome.

This will unlock a demon fighter companion fighting for you in Chapter 4, as well as an extra reward, that you have no way to know about at this point.

An honest question: if you can't access the grey goblin merchants later, what's the point of all the overpriced items they sell?

 

[Iluvcheezcake]

No, you can come back. The passage collapses where you fought the Goblin King, so the crones are still accessible.
For the "best" result (to save you reloading and redoing this in the future) I recommend that you take their scrolls ("magic knowledge") and then kill them sometime in Chapter 3, without ever giving them the Tome.

This will unlock a demon fighter companion fighting for you in Chapter 4, as well as an extra reward, that you have no way to know about at this point.

An honest question: if you can't access the grey goblin merchants later, what's the point of all the overpriced items they sell?

So you keep being poor and underleveled

 

[Jasede]

No, you can come back. The passage collapses where you fought the Goblin King, so the crones are still accessible.
For the "best" result (to save you reloading and redoing this in the future) I recommend that you take their scrolls ("magic knowledge") and then kill them sometime in Chapter 3, without ever giving them the Tome.

This will unlock a demon fighter companion fighting for you in Chapter 4, as well as an extra reward, that you have no way to know about at this point.

An honest question: if you can't access the grey goblin merchants later, what's the point of all the overpriced items they sell?

If you do not spend a single penny and bank your XP and do not level up and sell most of the weapons you find, you can buy the SR 28 cloak which is a good investment.

That is about it.

 

[Iluvcheezcake]

Hm, did some reading on the official site.

It seems a int 20 human wizard with cat familiar can replace elven one for searching for hidden doors and compartments. Thats huge, due to 2 extra feats on lvl 1. Will check this evening ingame

 

[NJClaw]

Guys, want to hear a funny joke? Ready?

I thought that the "impossible Pizarra fight" was the one at the end of chapter 1.

Oh boy, what a good laugh.

 

[Iluvcheezcake]

No, you can come back. The passage collapses where you fought the Goblin King, so the crones are still accessible.
For the "best" result (to save you reloading and redoing this in the future) I recommend that you take their scrolls ("magic knowledge") and then kill them sometime in Chapter 3, without ever giving them the Tome.

This will unlock a demon fighter companion fighting for you in Chapter 4, as well as an extra reward, that you have no way to know about at this point.

An honest question: if you can't access the grey goblin merchants later, what's the point of all the overpriced items they sell?

If you do not spend a single penny and bank your XP and do not level up and sell most of the weapons you find, you can buy the SR 28 cloak which is a good investment.

That is about it.

Archmage/psion helmet is also a good investment

 

[Jasede]

Missing 2 Initiative and not having 20 Dex means it's worthless.

 

[Iluvcheezcake]

2 feats > 2 initiative

Rolling with 16 dex 16 con 20 int wiz party

 

[Dickie]

Oh fuck off.

I'm perfectly serious. This is a small niche game, and he's got the keys, but he needs to know what needs fixing.

We've been very vocal on discord, if by now he still dont get it, there's absolutely nothing we can do.

What is his response?

 

[NJClaw]

Guys, want to hear a funny joke? Ready?

I thought that the "impossible Pizarra fight" was the one at the end of chapter 1.

Oh boy, what a good laugh.

What's the intended level for this one? 20?

 

[Sergiu64]

What makes red wizards so much better than disabling wizards? I'm used to Conjurers/Enchanters being preferred in normal 3.5 due to their ability to disable encounters and mobs having too much hp for nukes to be effective.

 

[Iluvcheezcake]

Clearing the room on 1st round after reloading for initiative

 

[Tweed]

No, you can come back. The passage collapses where you fought the Goblin King, so the crones are still accessible.
For the "best" result (to save you reloading and redoing this in the future) I recommend that you take their scrolls ("magic knowledge") and then kill them sometime in Chapter 3, without ever giving them the Tome.

Bad idea, you'll be cheating yourself out of a very good piece of loot and more experience if you don't give them the tome. You can get it back later.

 

[NJClaw]

Clearing the room on 1st round after reloading for initiative

I can't imagine doing that without using at least 4-8 very high level scrolls taken from the crones. Frankly, encounters like this one are the worst in the entire game: you have to face an unrealistic amount of very strong enemies and you can succeed only using scrolls of spells that you still don't have access to (like Confusion and Deep Slumber in chapter 1). What's the fucking point?

 

[Jasede]

No, you can come back. The passage collapses where you fought the Goblin King, so the crones are still accessible.
For the "best" result (to save you reloading and redoing this in the future) I recommend that you take their scrolls ("magic knowledge") and then kill them sometime in Chapter 3, without ever giving them the Tome.

Bad idea, you'll be cheating yourself out of a very good piece of loot and more experience if you don't give them the tome. You can get it back later.

Yeah but you don't get the fucking Vrock fighting for you in chapter 4 AND his item reward if you don't kill them. It's not a bad idea at all.