KickStarter Knights of the Chalice 2 Thread - Augury of Chaos

[Mortmal]

Jesus shut the fuck up until you are in Chapter 4 and crying that you used your fucking herbs like a faggot and now don't have any for the fucking cock and ball torture that are the castle fights.

Jasede for the codex review, i think you are just in the right mood to do it.

 

[NJClaw]

BUT WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN BY "SUMMON VROCK". JESUS.

Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention the damn vrock. The summoned enemy that would be a reasonable challenge for your party by itself.

At which level am I supposed to face that encounter? I am speechless... and from what everyone is saying it's only going to get worse. Have I missed some other route through the level?

Just dispel him, bro. You got like a 10% chance, ain't that enough for you?

I don't want to try because if I succeed and then that motherfucker just summons another one I might die IRL.

 

[Jasede]

The more I think about it, the more I am convinced this 'module' was a social experiment.

We few, we silly few, who beat this module, legitimately and without cheating, in its buggy original mess, thought we were hot shit for conquering Pierre's reloading simulator. But in the end, it is us who were the idiots. The sane thing would have been to discard this, to throw this thing into the trash where it belongs. But no. We struggled. We fought. We won.

And having won, all we earned, and all we have to show for it, are scars.

 

[Dickie]

BUT WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN BY "SUMMON VROCK". JESUS.

Oh, yeah, I forgot to mention the damn vrock. The summoned enemy that would be a reasonable challenge for your party by itself.

At which level am I supposed to face that encounter? I am speechless... and from what everyone is saying it's only going to get worse. Have I missed some other route through the level?

Just dispel him, bro. You got like a 10% chance, ain't that enough for you?

I don't want to try because if I succeed and then that motherfucker just summons another one I might die IRL.

I think you're supposed to be level 7 for that encounter.

You can check his arcane slots to see if he's used them all. He only has two level-6 spell slots. He can use Empowered Ice Storm to kill your whole party, and he can summon a vrock, but he can't do either of those things 3 times.

 

[AdolfSatan]

Nah, I think that's one of the hardest battles on chapter two, and no, he doesn't summon another (well, at least he never did that to me).

Should be beatable with a party between levels 5-7, but you gotta use every tool in your arsenal to create chokepoints: web, grease, stinking cloud, psionic wall. Also use slumber and summon elementals to make the enemy waste time.

 

[Tigranes]

OF COURSE IN THE NEXT ENCOUNTER WHERE EVERYONE IS LEVEL 6-8 THERE'S A 13TH LEVEL CASTER WITH ACCESS TO ALL ARCANE SPELLS AND PSIONIC POWERS AND A GIANT SCORPION THAT'S IMMUNE TO EVERY SINGLE DISABLING SPELL AND A DOZEN ENEMIES WITH 50 HP

OF COURSE

Haha. That'd be easy mode if that's all it was. The caster also has the Metamagic Empowere feat, and he can change the damage type of his spells to whatever he wants (to keep you from getting resistance to it). Then, there are two guys who can use Web spell, and the enemies get a surprise round.

I can live with the surprise round, the rangers with Web and the bows that do AoE damage. I can live with almost all of that bullshit. BUT WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU MEAN BY "SUMMON VROCK". JESUS.

Why everyone keeps summoning monsters with more hp than my characters?

The real answer is that our parties are just disposable summons Pierre is casting, while saving his higher spell slots for later

 

[Tweed]

In a distant land, long, long ago, there once were two peoples.
Those who had power -
And those who did not.

The Human Psions, Elf Mages, Mantis Gladiators and Half-Giant Fighters ruled with an iron fist over the Half-Salamander Samurai, Hobbit Rogues, Dwarf Monks. There was an order to life, and the order was simple: some are meant to rule, and some are meant to be enslaved, and trod upon.
One day, a party of heroes set out to challenge the status quo...

...and quickly rerolled into a party of 2 Human Psions, 1 Elf Red Wizard, 1 Mantis Gladiator, 1 Half-Giant Fighter and a healing servant to carry their scrolls and loot.

You left out the kobolds goddamnit.

 

[Tweed]

At which level am I supposed to face that encounter? I am speechless... and from what everyone is saying it's only going to get worse. Have I missed some other route through the level?

Nope, enjoy. Hit the vrock with the magebane. I did it at level 6.

 

[Rpguy]

I just killed the two babau and the bug at the end of the tomb and thought 'huh this was surprisingly reasonable, I wonder why some people were raging about this so much'

and then

then i encountered the salamander and the fire lolemental with just two dudes to control



Yeah, I'm out of this game

It's not that hard:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5xtqge23vuiy82d/Easy fire cave.mp4?dl=0

 

[NJClaw]

At which level am I supposed to face that encounter? I am speechless... and from what everyone is saying it's only going to get worse. Have I missed some other route through the level?

Nope, enjoy. Hit the vrock with the magebane. I did it at level 6.

I couldn't do it at level 6, so I sold a bunch of shit, leveled the entire party to 7 and it was an entire different story. Blocking each corridor with an electricity wall makes the goblins act like crazy imbeciles: sometimes they waste their turn readying, sometimes they just walk inside the wall taking damage, then after a while they decide to cast protection from energy on themselves, but it's too late. I summoned a large elemental at the end of each walled corridor and they were able to take care of the goblins coming out one by one. A stinking cloud in the bottom room disabled the insufferable caster and then I just started blasting that room with the Druid, the Wizard and the kobold companion.

I reloaded to see if it's a reliable strategy and everything went in the same way for a second time. However, the gay-ass caster never summoned his beloved vrock and, honestly, I don't know how I would deal with that.

 

[Jasede]

I just killed the two babau and the bug at the end of the tomb and thought 'huh this was surprisingly reasonable, I wonder why some people were raging about this so much'

and then

then i encountered the salamander and the fire lolemental with just two dudes to control



Yeah, I'm out of this game

It's not that hard:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5xtqge23vuiy82d/Easy fire cave.mp4?dl=0

^

"Just reload until all 4 melee attacks hit in a row, until both your characters win initiative, until the caster does not open the battle with fireball and until the big enemy fails a saving throw that he is likely to make seven out of ten times."
"It's not that hard. "

What's wrong with you, Darth Roxor? Afraid of reloading more often, like a truly skilled player? Be a man and reload until all the dice rolls work out in your favor to demonstrate what a badass you are.

 

[NJClaw]

I just killed the two babau and the bug at the end of the tomb and thought 'huh this was surprisingly reasonable, I wonder why some people were raging about this so much'

and then

then i encountered the salamander and the fire lolemental with just two dudes to control



Yeah, I'm out of this game

It's not that hard:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5xtqge23vuiy82d/Easy fire cave.mp4?dl=0

^

"Just reload until all 4 melee attacks hit in a row, until both your characters win initiative, until the caster does not open the battle with fireball and until the big enemy fails a saving throw that he is likely to make seven out of ten times."
"It's not that hard. "

What's wrong with you, Darth Roxor? Afraid of reloading more often, like a truly skilled player? Be a man and reload until all the dice rolls work out in your favor to demonstrate what a badass you are.

Well, patience IS a virtue...

 

[Rpguy]

I think we already established you won't get anywhere without reloading, especially on initiative in a lot of the fights, if you can't accept that and you think you can do ironman and somehow finish without reloading then you are delusional. When people give up it's usually because they think an encounter is impossible and that the developer clearly haven't even passed it himself. "I Want to see a video of him do it!", Well here is one way.

 

[Jasede]

Your way, and all our ways to beat this cursed module, is the same as if you were fighting a boss and had a 5% instakill spell and reloaded until the spell takes. No strategy, no resource management, no intelligence, just sheer brute force. Reload often enough and everything is possible.

Garbage.

 

[Darth Canoli]

I just killed the two babau and the bug at the end of the tomb and thought 'huh this was surprisingly reasonable, I wonder why some people were raging about this so much'

and then

then i encountered the salamander and the fire lolemental with just two dudes to control



Yeah, I'm out of this game

I Sent the fighter and the Cleric, not only they were not fatigued, they cleaned the fire snakes and the Salamander and his elemental pet in no time, slienced the area with the cleric first, then the fighter tripped the Salamander, then called my friend Octopussy and it was over.

The Djinn though, you're supposed to be able to take a break but when you pick the "see you later dude" option, the dialog restarts (well, you have half a second to save).
So, deep slumber had interesting chances to land but of course it failed, he threw an acid wall or something (except 2 squares wide) and finished the psionicist with scorching ray ...

But we surrounded him, tripped him and Octopussy saves the day again, well seconded by Sadlark the Salamander Fighter while Ghorghor Bey, the Half-Giant Death Knight was disarmed and took a huge punch while rearming himself (30 dmg or something).

The hardest part was the Babaus, funny, the psionic bug didn't spawn yesterday.

 

[Darth Canoli]

The game could really use more campfires or a new rule adding max uses for new spells circles on level up like psionicist get their additional PP when leveling up.

I can't find the post with all the Djinn rewards, not sure who posted it either, was that Rpguy ?
Well, i guess i'm taking the gold...

Edit : I picked the mage's robe, Magika, +20HP -10 damage reduction +2 INT & WIS and +4 concentration checks, very nice one.

 

[Jasede]

Reload and take the gold.

 

[Tweed]

All of those items are quickly outclassed, take the cash. If you want a robe get the robe of the archmage from Maphistor, it will see you to the end of the game.

 

[Iluvcheezcake]

LOL MY WEAKASS WIZ PARTY IS NOT STRONG ENOUGH TO FREE ERZIMON FROM HIS CAGE

ROFL

 

[AdolfSatan]

Why do I have the feeling that everyone insists on passing a strength check to free Erzimon as the only solution available? My party had the option to melt the lock using the wizard's fire abilities.

 

[benzine]

LOL MY WEAKASS WIZ PARTY IS NOT STRONG ENOUGH TO FREE ERZIMON FROM HIS CAGE

ROFL

Did none of your wizard take enhanced ability?

Another thing for the module and script to add is available spell and spell slot, so casters that can cast enhanced ability can worth some shit outside of combat, being casters

 

[benzine]

Why do I have the feeling that everyone insists on passing a strength check to free Erzimon as the only solution available? My party had the option to melt the lock using the wizard's fire abilities.

Buying food/water and wine is also available.
But that cost money, and you won't be able to level-up after

 

[Mortmal]

LOL MY WEAKASS WIZ PARTY IS NOT STRONG ENOUGH TO FREE ERZIMON FROM HIS CAGE

ROFL

So reroll from the beggining.. No ,seriously, the game is already such in disfavor to the adventurer party you simply cant afford missing him. He's the extra guy who will shoot one more prismatic ray . In augury of chaos, none of the optionnal chocies are optional if you dont do them the penalty is huge the game is then impossible to beat.

 

[Tweed]

Erizmon was quite valuable and since he comes in at level 7 you won't have to level him again until late chapter 3. Having an extra prismatic void and a cleric who can accelerate themselves is very handy.

He is also a kobold which wins by default anyhow.

 

[The Red Knight]

In case the summon happens off screen you can just wait until it is unsummoned

Ah, I figured it'd unsummon (I didn't want to risk it bugging out on pathfinding or something so I got through the fight without readying vs him) but it's an exploit to make the fight easier, which I assume Pierre would want removed (and if it's something like the x/y summon coordinates of the spell getting lost because of another spellcaster's interrupt then it might eventually happen in other fights too).

but I'll check it out.

Thanks!

Also this happened (again, apologies if it's already been reported or maybe works as intended):

Spoiler

It has overrun feat, but only stepped through the friendlies and several wall tiles.

If it's "squeezing into a smaller space" then it could use a mention in the move action entry - it only mentions there are exceptions to moving through character-occupied tiles.

Also ratmen are fairly indifferent to being stepped on by their destined heroes and their enemies:

Spoiler

May I inquire as to why the fuck?

I didn't play through it earlier (putting together that token pack took a while). If I hit a wall in chapter 3 or 4 then so be it but so far I'm content with trying out different approaches to encounters and unintended combat starting formations, Avernum-style.

Are the psionicist spells supposed to counter arcane spells ?
I'm sure i've read something about it in-game but i'm not sure if it was one way or the other.

I haven't used any counterspelling yet so IDK (ready vs spell is a different action - which BTW is quite cool as it can affect AI choices on whether to use their go-to party kill spells even if my character is bluffing on being able to affect the spellcaster in any way).

The manual mentions either using the exact same spell for counterspell, or having improved counterspell feat for a spell of the same school but at least one level higher, but the feat is not available to pure psionicists.