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Completed Let's Play Hearts of Iron III: Total Realism Poland

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HPP gives Poland 12 total Leadership, but more importantly has much stronger Theory effects on research coupled with Ministers who can keep your theory in specific fields high for a long time, so you can specialize and really maximize your research effectiveness. Also Officer recruitment is based on Training laws rather than Conscription laws, though high levels of training require better tech to unlock. Also Conscription actually works like Conscription, you make the order and a few hundred thousand men are ready to serve within months, though you take permanent penalties to your IC efficiency in return for losing workers.

Polish victory is possible, but certainly not easy.
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Had to push all the way to fucking Alma Ata to dissolve the Soviet Union. No one could touch Japan since they decided against Pearl Harbor and the USA stayed neutral.
 

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In the end Alternate History decided to give Potato a quite better chance, as you'll see.

HPP has some events that CTD, as expected because the version I tried is a beta. It will be with Total Realism Project mod instead, and it actually has historically plausible what-ifs.

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WW2 is of begin

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Czechoslovakia's folly was met with an unexpect change: Nazis gave Slovakia to still neutral Hungry, and Poland was of speed to take advantage of such to ensure a less big front to defend, singing a Non-aggress pact with Hungry after much hard work of convince them, to last for the next one or two years at least, if Poland survive them. In 1936 Poland had a large but poorly command army. Without enough officer there was not much of expand, but instead many forts of build in a line that hopeful can hold. Of course the Hungry gain of Slovakia made some forts build wasteful, or perhaps they would be of use.

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After the first week of August, the Nazis were clearly of mobilize, and unfortunate most of Polish Army was not a stand army but reserve. Situation of Armija was not besttst: while some had the Pistolet maszynowy wz.39 Mors, more than a macht for German SMGs, and powerful enough AT guns to crush Panzer III even with frontal hit, many divize still with old bolt-action rifles and AT rifles, not enough IC to reinforce and upgrade all of them soon enough and Poland was of volunteer army before the surrender of Czechoslovakia in begin of 1939. Yet now there was no more time. A new full and modern division with good AT guns and SMGs would be of ready by begin of September, and that would be all Poland can rely on to ensure victroy.

The harsh truth is that Poland would be of doom were the Bolsheviks of invade, so it was hope that Stalin, as paranoid of be as he be, already predict Hitler will be his future enemy and find Poland weaking Germany convenient, so it is of hope that unless Poland lie on the eve of defeat, and as long as Warsaw holds STRONG, the Soviets will not invade. Because if they do only a miracle could save the countrey.

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6 Mountain, 78 Infantrey and 13 Hosrse plus their ognia support of AA, artillrey and anti-tank is all Poland has to defend the vast clays when the Nazis of begin the attakc. Many Polish divize still at 50% strength by the begin in early September, situation of so much hard yet hopw cannot be of lose.

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We will of fight to end. We will of fight on the cities, we will of fight on the hills, we will of fight on the plain clays, we will of fighton the river banks, we will of fight on the forests, we will of fight on, we shall never of surrender!

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To ensure victroy, Gdansk must hold until all of East Prusy was in Polish control and the Nazis armies in there crush lik a skul of pig. It would not be easy, and many trails were of ahead.

Every resource Poland has must be dedicate to defend our countrey, we must have total economic mobilize and focus on heavy industry for the foe has much greater resources to dedicate to war than Poland, and this is not just a war for freedom and sovereign. The survival of the Poles depend upon this battle. The Nazis want not to conquer, but to exterminate the Polish people, and if they win, they will of do so.

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The brainwashed and genocidal personal army of Hitler, the SS, was of advance against Gdansk, Intel report they are inhuman monsters, killing women, children, babbys and elderly without mercy at the border villages they gained foothold in less than a few hours after the begin of the Nazi invasion they already of begin what will later become a long list of atrocities, a grim visage of what is of wait should Poland fall. As the rumors were of spread, the Polish soldiers fought even more fierce for it did not take long for the now Free press of Poland to publish the grim reports and for the rumor mill to let them know the lifes of everyone they loved and cared about depend on winning this fight. The SS were fanatical, insane and ruthless, but there was hope for Poland.

Forward into Prusy!

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Zwycięstwo albo śmierć!

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While painful, leaving Poznan behind was of need for the front would be too big if Poznan were of defend for Poland to stand any chance. The Polish cavalry was of advance into East Prusy while Gdansk was still heroicly of defend. It was Kattowice the greattst worry. Unlike what was of predict the krauts were not of try to amass spearhedds against the provinces not covered by fortifications, but using their sheer mechanization, panzer and Stukas in attempt of quick conquest of heavy defended Polish Silesia and Gdansk for the sake of propaganda.

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They make big mistake there, and the few in defend Wizna would be left at peace for the Nazis were expect easy victroy in Gdansk and thus left East Prusy light defend only. Poland would seize the opportune.

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For an entire week, stormed by the elite SS Nazi troops and under naval bombard of German heavy cruisers and the hellfire of Stukas, the defenders of Gdansk, deemed critical for kraut conquest due to propaganda reasons, held heroicly and they continue of fight. Outmatched in technology, they made their stand and were far from allow the city to fall in those hands drench in innocent blood.

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Sieradz was predict to become one of this hardest areas of this preplan defense line to be hold. And indeed, the Germans amass everything they to overwhelm the forts there, including their best Panzers the still not fully upgraded Polish AT could not into destroying in frontal hit. Lodz was just behind, but if Sieradz were to fall, it could be too late. One of the very besttst German generals, von Manstein, leads the force spearhedded by Panzer IV Ausf .D, the best of the best German tanks as of now, one of the hardest of the many fights of this war is of begin. Outnumber, out-tech and outgun, heroic would be understatement to describe the defenders of Sieradz.

Meanwhile the limit forces in East Prusy German forts were finally ripe for being encircle and annihilate.

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The air force Poland had in 1936 would be quick wiped out by superior Luftwaffe. Polish pilots were offer to the RAF although they a little rusty after so long without pilot warplanes. It was hell, the thin line endanger but still hold, and if it held just one more week Prusy would be secure. For now, they continue to not give up and fight with great STRONG and courage even in face of the soaring death from the sky.


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Oh noes Kattowice and its many forts is of lost!

This cannot be of allow. All Polish men that can, let us push forward, drive bakc the Ustasa collaborate and Nazi invader and retake the city fortress of Kattowice! Forward against the enemy, no stop, no give up, no matter the cost, the line must not into collapse and they must not have a chance to break throgh! Upon this battel depends the future of our Christian civilization, of our countrey and our peoppl. We must go onto attack! No matter how small chance, no matter how many will have to give their lives for Poland, we must try retake Kattowice!

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To victroy!

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Finaly some good news! While Gdansk still bravely is defend, entire German division is surround thanks to Polish cavalry. Crush them!

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Once the west Nazi forts in Prusy are surround, the most important step of secure a front Poland has better chance of defend will be at hand. Until them Gdansk and all around it must be hold no matter the cost!

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But... we can outrun their retreat and they have no supply! If they refuse give up even more of those Nazi bastards will die!

Note: In HOI2/Darkest Hour that division would already have ceased to exist... that makes encirclement way more complicated.

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Despite much loss the Nazis refuse to give up the battle of Gdynia, now about to reach 2 weeks of nonstop fight.

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Sieradz is of critical. It is hold much large swath of German forces! It cannot be of lose! Being so few, outnumber by panzers, motorize and so many, yet they fight, and reinforces are about to come to Sieradz.

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EAST PRUSY IS ALMOST OURS! THE GERMANS AT KATTOWICE ARE LOSING GROUND! HOLD THE LINES AT GDYNIA!

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THE FRENCH BROKE TRHOUGH THE SIEGFREID AND ACCORD TO POLISH INTEL THEY CAN EASILY INTO BERLIN IF WE KEEP MOST OF THE KRAUTS BUSY! DO NOT DESPAIR BRAVE POLES! TO VICTROY!

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Yet the strategic situation... much difficult, so asymerty.

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If Poland can into last a thousand year, men will still say:

THIS WAS OUR FINNST HOUR!


TO BE CONTINUE
 
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The steely resolve of the heroes of Gdansk is an inspiration to us all! If the Prussian pocket is crushed, the Hunnic beast will have been dealt a crippling blow. But will the People benefit from this resounding victory, or the morally bankrupt feudal szlachta and its kapitalist kronies? Surely, revolution of the Workers and Peasants of Poland must come next for the country to be truly STRONK. (Also, better economic mobilization laws). :salute:
 

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Organization regain happens at snail's pace compared to HoI2/Darkest Hour while the Germans keep pushing, and that organization regain rate is crippling. It means you're fucked if you lose a major battle and the krauts can just keep crushing your almost 0 Org. units to oblivion, specially with their superior mobility forces, fighting while outnumbered, outgunned and outmaneuvered is like delaying inevitable defeat. TRP really makes Poland's reality of being fucked clear and while at the first two weeks of war the lines held...

Poland cannot into space

Poland cannot into win

Danzig was courageously defended for almost an entire month despite massive German offensives, but it was futile.

Poland surrendered in October 11th after the loss of Warsaw. 1936 OOB + 2 divisions = 100% hopeless. HoI 2 is less complex so victory in 1936 or a long defense in 1938 start is possible, but this... it is

This is far harder than Srbija in 1453 Magna Mundi

:( :( :( :(

I'm not very motivated to post the updates showing the collapse. I think I'll end this thread here, just like I stopped suddenly my African Union AAR after defeat was inevitable.
 
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I haven't really tried TRP much since the initial feature bloat was kind of off-putting. How good is it? Might give it another spin if it's as challenging as you say.
 

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The Nazi Prusy westforts are of collapse!

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Situate is Souht still of much bad.

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Oh noes! Sieradz fall and Poland cannot into elast defend! They are of break trhouhg!

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Outnumber and too slow for no motorize, the Polish Army was of lose.

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The most important fortifications were broke, and there was nowehre to retreat, diversion attaksc were of made, but the loss of the liens had only one manning: the cause is lost. Before they can into reorganize they were stormed by the German forces, depleted, broken.

The British, they did nothing, just watch, For almost the entire September the port of Gdansk was of wait for their aid, but it never came.

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If Kattowice is of lose, perhaps all soldiers in the south will end in doom.

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Only in Prusy Poland has secured a clear victroy, two German divizes already annihilate, but it would not change the tide... too many of them, all Poland can do is buy a few more weeks of time that will be for nothing if no help is arrive. The French break in the Siegfried stagnate, and hope fade fast.

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With 2 German divisions broken, some are redeployed in a desperate attempt to stop the German advance in the central and south fronts.

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There was never any hope, never any chance... the tragedy will unfold, millions of innocent lives extinguish by Nazi and Bolshevik mass murdrers.

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The Polish Army was brave, but against such odds and with such useless, coward allys eating baguete in Maginot and doing fukc nothing to help, bravery was nothing.

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With Krepice also lost, nothing more could halt their conquest... nothing but British reinforces that never of come.

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Bitter victroy... in the end, what a bitter victroy, for it did not change the tide of the war, it did not save Poland. An empty example of bravery to be reminded if the future, if there is any Poland left in the future, to make the memory of this less sorowful.

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In the south collapse is inminent.

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Deplete of organize, many Polish divisions are retreating and unable to fight anymore... the fall of the main line of fortificates brought nothing but doom, and fail of reserves to come to reinforce critical battles was also of undoing. When Sieradz fell, with it all hopes of Poland win also fell.

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Even when outnumber, the Nazis crush the exhausted Polish defenders, and soon Lodz will be lost.

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Another critical fortification lost... it is over now.

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Poland cannot into victroy

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Why is it of take so long for organize to be recover?

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Heroes. Perhaps if they were of know of how hopeless their country is of, they would have not fought with much bravery and so skill but fall into despair, but they will be remembered, hopefuly.

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Warsaw is almost surond!

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And then they were all lost, Nazis having much faster forces surround them and crush them.

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When Sieradz fell, the Polish army was already broken and doom... there was no more hope... no more.

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Always remember, our fallen, for 1 month they of hold Gdansk, even if futile, their deed will never be of forget.

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Note: I know I repeat that image too much in this update, but it is better than any words for this.

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Torun was the last of the fortificates of Poland to fall. Most of the army was exhausted, disorganize, broken. Many were already overrun by Motorize and panzers. There was no more hope, unles...

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As long as Warsaw is in Polish hand, we never surrender!

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East Prusy lost too :(

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Defeated, the courageous freedom fihgters of Spain have of defend their capital for years, even when their capital was siege, they still defend it, they no give up.

If Warsaw can hold, we will never surrender too!

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More two divizes of Nazis crushed! Poland may lose, but the Germans paid a much higher price than they of predict.

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NO PASARAN!

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After six weeks of war... before what was left of Poland army could into retreat and make their stand in Warsaw and never surrender...

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1 centry later(21st centry)...

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THE END

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Feel free to point out where I failed. But I don't believe it is possible to stand a chance with Poland in TRP without cheating, and the Allies are still as useless as they were in HoI2 and Real Life.
 
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It has some weird stuff, like the "strategic railroads", but it's not bad. Though I've only played one game in TRP, as USSR, so not an expert.

The huge amount of province structures combined with no tooltip or manual to explain what they did was annoying as hell. Also any mod that redesigns the UI needs to die. Also the fact that the modder designed to rescale the manpower numbers for no apparent reason was kind of silly.

Now that I've taken a second look at it, the mod looks mostly like a re-skinned vanilla with minor balance changes. At least all units look the same in terms of balance (some techs combined [good] some split [bad]), and some laws changed (conscription of age 19-29 is hella OP law, holy shit). Buildings look mostly inconsequential except the conscription center, manpower always being useful but mostly because it provides WAY too fucking much construction practical, if I was playing Germany I would IC spam to hell and back like a mother fucker. And the Heavy Industry building is just dumb.

Feel free to point out where I failed. But I don't believe it is possible to stand a chance with Poland in TRP without cheating, and the Allies are still as useless as they were in HoI2 and Real Life.

Uhh... are you even building anything? You have thousands of manpower in store and could have fielded dozens more divisions.
 

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Uhh... are you even building anything? You have thousands of manpower in store and could have fielded dozens more divisions.

All of Polish divisions in 1936 OOB were reserves so I spent several days before and after the beginning of the war investing most IC into reinforcements. When the need became a bit less pressing, then 1 INF-INF-ART-AT and everything else continued on reinforcements and upgrades. I only managed to build 2 of those divisions before the war began because I really didn't want a poor officer ratio so built mostly forts and 8 recruitment centers in Warsaw. That shitty starting officer ratio combined with only 8 leadership points and an entire army made of reserves made even worse by the starting Volunteer Army law, which can only be changed for Poland in 1939, makes all Polish divisions before 1939 have only 25% strength at most and suffer from serious strength rotation during peacetime which makes IC cost for reinforcement even higher, and these details combined are totally

:negative: :hero:

As for buildings, any country should build at least 8 recruitment centers in their capital or province with most manpower and the strategic effects of 8 research centers (which also give a minor increase in leadership) in the same province are also worth for the countries that can afford them like

:kwafuckyeah:

PS: And Poland has only 29 to 30 available IC before the fall of Czechoslovakia and Poland joining the Allies makes better economic mobilization laws possible. I'm not pro enough to pull this.
 
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Well I'm playing a TRP game and I have 88 divisions of INF/AC/ART/AT at Danzig. Officer ratio is 89%, not great but should be up to 100% before the end of the year since I am putting 100% into officers until the next year's tech is ready. Don't think I've ever built a Fort in HoI3, things have a habit of becoming damned useless.

I built max level recruitment centers in all cites. Its just so damned cheap to build those that it's ridiculous. After a few runs they cost me .4 IC for about 40 days, that's 16 IC-days each.

Did not join the allies when the UK made the initial offer. If you do so during peace time and have a democratic government your laws get degraded and you get stuck in shitty consumer product orientation and lose repression. Plus all Allies suffer +10% CG demand during peace time. France will declare war on Germany as soon as Danzig comes anyway, join the allies during the war if you want (allies get -10% CG during wartime).

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*should* be a win now that I've cleared Konigsberg and redirected my forces to reinforce the western front. Germany is already letting up and too afraid to attack from most directions, so I'll have a month breather while I reinforce to 100% strength and finish some upgrades. From there I'm intentionally drawing out that southern front in order to draw more troops through. When I'm ready we'll roll south from Krakow into Slovakia and cut them off, encircling and destroying another 20 or so Germany regiments like we did with Prussia. From there we *should* be able to walk right into Berlin.

I say *should* because I dunno what TRP has in store and things have already gone slightly odd. Spain and Italy are both in the Axis and are already attacking France. Belgium, Netherlands and Norway are attacking Germany even though they aren't in the Allies yet. And Germany has actually lost a bit of ground on their west, though I expect this is just due to the surprise factor and Germany will roll over the Lowlands when it reinforces their west. Of course that will lighten the load on my front, but I don't trust France to hold out on all three sides properly and if France falls then we will be in for a challenge. And I dunno what the Soviets do in TRP yet.
 
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Sadly it was not to be. France fell apart. Germany, Italy, and Spain turned their full might on me. Was holding a firm line (though with massive manpower attrition, I'm 800 behind on reinforcing) until Hungary joined the Axis. The German troops I had trapped are freed and I simply can't hold out with nearly 2x as many frontage provinces to cover. Not to mention that since France is dead Germany fired "Destiny", which is supposed to be used against the Soviets...

TBH the loss was because TRP is stupid and has some bad AI scripts. It seems that not accepting the Allies Guarantee (forcing France to declare war on Germany when Germany attacked me) shot the threat levels too high on both sides, causing Spain to declare war on France (stupid as fuck), the Lowlands to declare war on Germany (holy shit that's dumb), and as soon as Germany controlled a province next to the Soviets the Soviet Union declared war on Germany (not that they can help me since they can't enter my lands). Had things proceeded as normal with Spain and the Lowlands remaining neutral France would have kept the Maginot line strong and we would have kicked some kraut ass. Alternatively, had I known the Soviets would go aggressive, I could have aligned to Comintern, joined them and laughed as the Red Steamroller made the war a joke, but I was already in the Allies by the time it happened.
 
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Hey, you caused the threat levels to rise since you conquered the Baltic States! :D

That all happened long after shit started. Conquering them was my desperate attempt to extract more MP gain as I realized that the attrition was setting in so horribly. Things went off-wire as soon as France DoWed Germany around Sept 1939.

Besides, the other option was letting the commies take them. I'm doing the world a service, should have reduced my threat.
 

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This this THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE!!
Even Uncle Stalin wont lift his finger to stop this mess.
 

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