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Completed Let's Play Hearts of Iron III: Total Realism Poland

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  1. Cassidy Arcane

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    Index

    This is a Black ICE Sandwich. It is made of ridiculous AI cheats, cheesy unbalanced techs and Fail.
    1. 1396 (right here)
    2. Only Sloboda can previal!
    3. Much kraut is of unfair. We is of never surrender

    Total Realism Project

    1. WW2 is of begin
    2. Losttst Cause

    Disclaimer: to make this different I write of in Srbija greattst countrey style. If you prefer no potato, just complain with enough posts and I'll write it normally instead.

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    In Black ICE the Commies will invade Poland

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    1936



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    Poland STRONG but surround bolshevik and nazi. Need of more ally, aling with UK, cause all neighbors not care or hate Poland.

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    All odd against Polska, the world moves in direct of another war, hatefull Hitler dreams of mash potato. To secure peace, we must prepare for victroy.

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    Armija must be STRONG to stop nazi and bolshevik invader!

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    Many of doubt pesimist about future of Polska need hope high so nation is unite once our finnst hour come.

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    Poland cannot into both air and land as the besttst, so best to have the best and greattst army but no air force than a mediocre army and a mediocre air force doom to defeat by Nazi and Bolshevik. But once Poland even more STRONG to support research and build of so much airplane so Poland can into air superior, then airplane must be STRONG not cheap.

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    One day Poland will can into Navy, but right now Poland cannot into Navy

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    Poland cannot into air, but one day will, but right now...

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    And you mean if you say Poland cannot into space

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    The bestest artillery, the bestest anti-tank, the best machingun. Soon replace rifle with submachingun. Ten thousand StUkAs above your left, one thousand above your right, but you not hit because of STRONG Polish Anti-Air. Having only infantrey may seem right for those without the wisdom, but without fire support they would cannot into destroy of panzers.

    Poland Infantry will be pride of countrey!

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    Poland Civil Economy cannot into build large Armija need low neutrality to change that to some more ready for inevitable Hitler and Uncle Joe horror.

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    Polish people pretend nothing bad will go soon to have less worry. Some propaganda must wake up them to support measures to prepare Poland by having more industry to build up of STRONG.

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    Secretary mess up, damn secretary. Diesel engine cannot into potato. Neither can gasoline but it is easy to adapt gasoline engine to run on Wódka than diesel and gasoline less complicate logistic too.

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    Old TK-S need reinforce with STRONG armor to stand a chance.

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    Poland may not into much industry, but our centries-old university so much learn, so much wisdom of the white eagle to help with critical research keep educate, industrey, logistic, radios, infantrey and artillery in cut-edge tech, doctrine and training. Strategy doctrine of blitzkrieg not mutual exclusive Poland must know how to do it to prepare best against it.

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    Censorship is for Nazis and weaken our not so great industrey capable, so free press will give precious, even if small extra IC for Poland and Poland need every bit of IC they can. Hopeful no buthurt skyway or Belarus get ideas now they can write their buthurt on newspaper.

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    Some new greatt men appoint to Cabinet because they are of best. Enemies of Poland can do better than fight trench, Elast Defense best chance of hold them so Jan Kowalewski new Chief of Armija. Furthermore a man of Fire Support School replaces previous Chief of Staff to make good use of soon to be STRONG Polish artillery, and there are wisdoms of the eagle in having minister who know how to make artillery better.

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    Advance in Education make Poland so much wisdom of the eagle enough to have 30 research simultaneuos, enough to even perhaps go air doctrine and buy licensed Supermarine Spitfires from England, but having STRONG Army comes first so all this wisdom will go into having forces specialist in defend rugged clay like forests, cities and hills, marshs all over border with Bolshevik threat, greattst lite infantrey and mountain troops and compact pack artillery better manuevre in marsh and such more useful for Poland than air doctrine.

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    POLISH ARTILLERY AND ANTI-TANK IS LED BY GOD TO DEFEAT NAZI AND BOLSHEVIK ONCE THEY COME!

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    If worst come plan is crush all Nazis in Pomorze reclaim ancestral land of Sea Potato, have brave like Wizna patriots stall advance on main line and try other encircles of Kraut if opportunity shows. Then hold the difficult line West of Vistula until winter come and hope allys will land on Köngsberg with reinforces during Winter instead of so much drink wine and eat baguette in Maginot with stocks of white flag.

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    Bolshevik scum is of try stop Poland align with Allies.

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    Covering steel bulletproof vest with potato make it STRONG, research claim.

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    So many divisions limited with only one brigade of infantrey, they need to be reinforce before they can into holding the line. Light-INF will go to forests, cities and hills where they fight better and regular INF to plains and such.

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    Despite many think of Romania not honor this once the red horde is of happen, still the deal is singed.

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    :outrage:

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    For some reason beyond sense the already limited industrial is even more limit.

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    Incopetent secretary is incopetent.

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    France cannot into defeat machete rape gangs. This of much worry because if machete gang is beating frogs, the Nazis will steamroll them.

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    NKVD Commissars is all about *BLAM* , a scary show of what Poland must defend against lest It happen here.

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    Eventual Husaria on motorcycles will happen to boost the STRONG of Polska.

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    POLAND STRONG!!!

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    Improve of agriculture mean more potato which mean STRONG.

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    The New Polish Cavalry is born!!! Motorcycles with anti-tank will defeat the Nazi Panzers.

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    Just what Poland need in these times.

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    Lack in wisdom Belarus think they will be better being vulnerable to Uncle Joe train gangs. Fools. Even worst many university professors in Brest sympathize Poland lose much precious leadership because of this.

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    Why are they of doing this?

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    Surrender without a fight, and now Poland has 5 leadership less because Belarus scientists and genius refuse to help Poland prepare for the coming of Nazi and Bolshevik and some research projects had to cancel.

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    Most Poland want democracy back but hands are tied Poland cannot into it now.

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    1937 is of begin. Poland has advance much in technology of Infantry, artillery, anti-tank, anti-air, mountain special force and of education and industry, and neutrality go low soon for more industry to be focus on growing better army because the tides are bad. Poland must remain STRONG to the last breath, for if both Nazis and Commies invade, all STRONG and wisdom of the white eagle will be of much need.

    TO BE CONTINUE
     
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    KURWAAAAAAAAA!!!!
     
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    Niech żyje Polska!
     
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  5. Infantryman Scholar

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    POTATO FOR THE POTATO GOD!!!

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    Tupac aliv and make album in Poland real strong wizard kill all the bandits with fast rap magic

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  6. Cassidy Arcane

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    I love how ironic that pic is in this context. Almost like subtle Latvian joke.

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    Only Sloboda can previal!



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    At last secretariat can into do right no wrong this time.

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    Rifle of bolt cannot into rapid of fire and semiauto still not enough speed. Defend of clay for Poland needs submachingun to kill many of Ustase Nazis and Kebab Bolsheviks because their numbers are legion so much fire needed from:

    wz.39 Mors

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    Only one type of people can of believe in pacifisism while Hitler in Reichtag no fukc given about neutrality, only one type naive enough to think appease will lead into peace:

    liberals

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    Fortunate Poland is STRONG in proper WCDS so no libruls hinder the preparation for what is but inevitable. To ensure the numbers to defend the Potato against the hordes of Stalin and Hitler many must be ready for fight and industry must serve the greater good of the countrey to expand the army to where it must stand chance.

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    Around Krakow much hill to defend and Poland not like China. Manpower of Poland, even with more potato from Agriculture research, is not of unlimit. Wisdom to thus train men to be the best of besttst in the defense of mountain clay to maxize the strong of the army without much cost of manpower. Unfortunate pakc artillry is of need to complement and only research may in 1939, would be too late, and regular ART is slow in hill and forest and marsh and not as good as pakc one.

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    STRONG confirmed.

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    Many more are of need in defend of Poland.

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    Trains run over sloboda on time, that is not to be proud about.

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    NEVAR FORGET

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    Radio much important for communicate of speed.

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    Bolsheviks, most certain, try to weak Poland.

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    China First to Fight.

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    There will be no Amelias in future of Kwa, only

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    Obvious NKVD work is obvious.

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    Now this make much different, modern sucessor to armor of Husaria

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    The Army of Poland continue to grow more and more STRONG in prepare for the inevitable.

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    Why are you complain of Polish tire texture skyway?

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    Would you rather to end in Stalin genocide-make hand than kind Potato hand, really?

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    Nazi Party suspicious grow in popular. Obvious dirt is obvious. Time to put it down for good.

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    More NKVD dirt work.

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    Garisson cannot into elastic defend, useless if the worst happen. Terrain in border with horror of Bolshevism most marsh and forest where lite infantrey is best.

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    No eye is of need to see where this is going.

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    Poland is need the SMG cost effect enough for them to be mass deploy but strong enough to have a chance. SMG so cost effect even civilian can have them to defend against the horrors. Like the Błyskawica submachine gun.

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    The Czech lack in STRONG and wisdom to make their stand instead give in and doom their countrey to inevitable subjugation now. Had they fight Poland would intervene and maybe this could be over soon, but now the shadows of black tyrant and red tyrant loom from East and West, but Poland must not lose hope.

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    Panzers too expensive Poland not economic great power not enough potato to build lots of panzer. Instead light armor and semi-motorize Husaria best bet of countrey.

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    The horrors of the Great Purge continue while the issue of SMG to all Polish infantrey brigades is proceed through the year until all of them have them.

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    The Army of Poland is the greattst of Central Europe... after the Nazi and Red armies...

    :(

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    Japan, Japan never changes.

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    The world is in the shadow of war again, and Poland must be ready. Three year is of much STRONG.

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    They must be of too obsess about tire texture to understand the big picture and how they are digging their own grave, literaly because of what fate await them should Poland not prevail and Stalin have them to his list of millions slaugthered , and dye of starvatie because of Bolshevism must be of so much horror why are they rebel? Why are they of refuse understand the Reds will fukc Ukraine, even genocide Urkaine while Poland is quite nice? They are the last of Urkaine not under horror and yet this is what they are tahnks.

    tl;dr skyway go skyway

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    Poland so much research so little officer train need more officer to have army that work. So little leadership for so much trheat.

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    Poland is give offer, but dubious the honor of those who make it after they already much appease to Nazis of Czechoslovakia like the libruls they are. France no good either will sit down their trenches and never do anything most like too afraid of dye and this fear will be their doom if Poland cannot into victroy.

    The last time Poland was in of such danger was short after the begin of partitions two centries ago, and now once again the tides are much darkness, few friends, none Poland can trust. In the end, there was no popular support for Poland to side with these bunch of sniveling and barely better than Nazis and Bolsheviks. Poland will be better alone than allied with

    liberals

    Note: It is super retarded forcing a coup if the historical choice happens. It makes no sense to shove a coup totally unrelated to this through a forced down repression policy change that this event doesn't warn about if you join the Allies, and I wanted a democratic Poland both because fully open society has IC bonuses and because of thematic reasons. Plus it is not like they will do much other than eat baguette and sit in Maginot anyway. The extra IC will be more useful because there are no more blueprints.

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    Haha, it is not like aliens will invade the world while Poland fihgt the good fight.

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    Refusing to join the Allies ironic ensue restore of true Democracy under WCDS gold standard for Poland, best result for our greatt countrey. It is time for this to be more than just the defense of the clay, but the defense of a greater principel:

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    SLOBODA!

    Note: I'd rather that IC bonus than betting on UK and France AI to save Poland, plus as a democracy Poland will be able to join the Allies later, if they survive long enough for being part of the Allies to matter. Not like it will change much of my odds here in any case, with these odds being like:

    :hero:

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    Poland must need less import of strategic resource so of ensure better chances once the Nazis come.

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    Mussolini return Albania to precious Mongolia while the recent event allow Poland of have hegdehog limited fortify that could distract Nazis and even serve to allow, if really STRONG, is be the piece of a pincer in encircle of them.

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    If they come, there will be much warm welcome of shells, Polish shells in the night.

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    However, while the Generals have hopes in the West, the East is like hang on thread, but there finally be the technology Poland was in much need of to defend the heavy forest and marsh landscape there. Pakc artillery not as much raw STRONG as conventional one but it is much best of move in the clay like those and hills, ensue best attack and defense and faster move too. Light Infantrey and Pakc-Art is the bakcbone of any army to defend forest and hill and marsh, and some AT too just in case. Unfortunate limited IC is limit so not much can be build, only 3 at a time. And the clokc is of tick and takc. Most fortunate our technology in fire suport and small arm is the besttst of the world, and in late 1939 almost all soldiers of Poland had SMGs and some ATs good enough for crush all Panzer lik a skul of pig and AAs that will make Stukas rain donw and crash on the clay dead. Yet Polish Army while STRONG still will have hard time and like be outnumber.

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    Poland army strategy is balance of Superior Firepower, Grand Plan and even Spearhead with the resources we have available instead of panzers. Mostly superior firepower because fire support is the key to victroy against superior numbers.

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    It may be too late to motorize cavalry. The sings are all around that war is coming, and soon.

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    Unfortunate Poland proper is in the dark when it come to intel too precious leadership in research and officer train to spare for intel.

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    This may make more different once war comes than one image, if Warsaw holds STRONG no matter what comes.

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    Know your enemy to understand why is of doctrine of mission base so much superior to have excess of tactic micromanagement by high echelon officers. Let the GO officers take the care of it they know what they are of doing and this way maybe Poland continue survival will be MISSION ACCOMPLISH.

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    Improve in our officer train program was much useful and came just when need the most. Poland now must hold the line with this for more would strain the officiers and make useless army therefore. Less research happen more leadership invest in training more and more officer to ensure good organize of all forces for when it come.

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    All prepares that could be make have of be done, and now Poland must steel the hart, prepare for the inevitable, and be ready, for it is coming soon, very soon. Those last 3 Light INF division may be the last ones to bolster the STRONG before our finnst hour is of begin.

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    Ready your guns, for the darkness is come and we must be ready!

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    As the war seem more and more inevitable every day, president Ignacy Jan Paderewski give an inspire speech for all Poles, and reaffirm that Poland shall never surrender, come what may.

    The situation of Poland:

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    The East is only light defend with about 10 divisions and it may be near impossible, but we will not into despair, but into hope even when all seem hopeless, courage and determination to fight to the end.

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    Regardless of what the monster Stalin want, and hopeful he will choose to wait because he ultimate know Hitler not his "friend" so it would be in his self interest to let Poland cause as much casualty to Nazis as possible, it is here, with these truly courage-full soldiers of Poland, that our future is to be decide. Much sacrifice was done to prepare for this, much hard work, and once it comes, they must into Prussia, to crush the krauts there and set a line along the Elbe and Vistula rivers, if the other lines cannot be into hold. Krakow is best to hold, and soon it will begin.

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    The fate of Czechoslavakia? NEVER!!!

    We will fight to the end, for Poland, for Potato, for Sloboda! TO VICTROY!

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    If Poland can into last a thousand year and into Space, men will still say:

    This was our Finnst Hour!



    TO BE CONTINUE
     
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  7. Fafnir Liturgist Patron

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  8. Cassidy Arcane

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    Remember the cheats the Ottoman Empire had in Magna Mundi Ultimate for Europa Universalis 3?

    Show Spoiler
    Those are reasonable and balanced compared to the cheats Black ICE gives to AI Germany. Victory or even holding the line through 1939 is impossible and this mod sucks balls.

    tl;dr

    Hope:

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    Inevitable reality with the Black ICE mod:

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    In any case, here the last update with this mod, for the reasons in the spoiler that will also become more evident in some of the screenshots.

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    Much kraut is of unfair. We is of never surrender

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    Poland is of attack of Germany! To victroy! Hold the lien!

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    Our anti-tank such modern, so advance is of into pierce armor of German Panzer.

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    Oh no! SS occult magic of Black ICE is of block Polish AT from pierce panzer! Such bullshit, much unfair.

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    Magic of ubikraut is of strong make German panzers nostoppable, but we still fight to the end.

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    They will not of conquer!

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    Gather of strong!

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    For Demokracja and Sloboda!

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    So much stupid leave East Prussia unguard but that no matter for the Black ICE magic is of make German invincible.

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    More mistake of them, crush these Ustasa! Or whatever they are of call in Slovakia!

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    Elbing is secure, but the situation is so worst.

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    Black ICE cheat magic make Poland of suffer heavy losses to defend our clay.

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    Every that can be of doing is done.

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    Cesky Tesin, the Battle of Wizna of here. Outnumber, outmatch, they of hold their ground to the last man. The captain is of pledge his life: to defend the clay to the death.

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    Szli my na Poznan.

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    The first battle ended is a Polish victory, but will it of matter?

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    The situation is of so danger of front collapse.

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    Why are those motorized and armored division of so much nvincibility? Is it like the German are of iddqd.

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    Such horrible.

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    So much flashbakc of Magna Mundi Ultimate.

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    I am of much longing for Fallout: Hearts of Iron 3 mod instead of this.

    Note: Really, this is ubik-rated fucking quality modding!

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    Bravery, courage is of much plenty, but chances of much lack, for army of Poland.

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    :salute:

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    Poland army was not of outdated. Why are they suffer so much heavy losses? Only one explanation: Black ICE magic.

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    Polish army is of fall apart to the ills of kraut loving AI bonus and shitty modding. What am I of speak?

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    Where the Germans not send panzer victroy is of possible, but only there, so it was all inevitable like the genius of think that AI cheat is a great idea for make of fun game and compensate for AI shortcome.

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    So much loss to unfair.

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    Only bright front of all war, elsewhere Poland is of pay much high for defend.

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    :salute: :salute: :salute:

    With forts on their side, hills and dug in, they still suffer over 10:1 high casualty...

    BULLSHIT!

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    Look at the Battle of Rogozno. Is there any hope for Poland? Is there any hope for Black ICE becoming a fun mod to play with if you are not ubik?

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    There is of one last chance for Poland. Great intelligent agent of Poland discover way to dispel the Black ICE cheat magic, but it is of tear apart space and time and change anew.

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    Encircle in East Prussia only victroy of Poland.

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    :cry:

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    :cry: :cry:

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    652% attack and defense modifier??? Even ubik isn't this ridiculous!!!

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    The cause is of lose..

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    Even encircled they keep deliver high casualty while when support by great defense Poland soldiers die more than the attackers.

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    And now Poznan is of threat of encircle.

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    And they have surround Poznan, all is of lose.

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    The blessings of shitty modding make Germany of invincible and so all is going to an end.

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    Yet, they never give up.

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    On the contrary.

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    More than 20% of Poland army wiped out by the Black ICE cheat magic, no hope.

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    Only despair and rage, such is how it was.

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    Poznan was not yet of lose, but soon it would fall.

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    :salute:

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    It is truly impossible, such ubik, much cheat.

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    :(

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    Hopeless fight.

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    Even encircled they are of bless with so much cheat they still prevail.

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    The Polish forces were not outdate, not obsolete. Their strategic and operational doctrines were top-nothc, and in the end, it was for nothing.

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    A minor gain, but the ridiculous power of shitty modding was on Germany's side, and thus there was no hope.

    Then there was darkness after agent WhiskeyWolf disabled the Black ICE magics making Germany invincible. All would begin again, but the different would be Poland is of chance of survive rather than hopeless.

    END???





    I'll try this again with a mod that doesn't follow the same design philosophy of Magna Mundi Ultimate to an even more absurd extreme and without such ubikraut ridiculous AI cheats: HPP, which seems much more reasonable, and then I'll rename this thread as appropriate and post a new update that starts in September 1939 at the eve of war with the Historical Plausibility Project, which also features some small chances of things not always happening the same way such as Czechoslovakia making a stand instead of giving in the Sudeten(in that case the next update will be with Poland helping them fight Germany in 1938, of course) instead of the historical railroad with super AI cheats of Black ICE. It is not like the odds of Poland will be high just because the AI won't have such absurd cheats, only very low to near impossible instead of totally impossible. No point to continue enduring this mod that manages to be more frustrating than MMU with the cheats the AI got.

    Of course a reboot will only happen on the next page or perhaps better, in a new thread.
     
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    Good christ, this is just ridiculous cheesery!
     
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  10. Infantryman Scholar

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    Bloody ubikrauts! Why most "realistic" mods seem to always give the Germans +500% combat modifier, and 50000 divisions to the Soviets?
     
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  11. GarfunkeL Racism Expert

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    Those modifiers are fucking ridiculous. +50% experience before war? +51% territorial pride? +52% leader skill? WHAT.THE.FUCK.

    So it seems that AI gets normal bonuses doubled - Germany has specialist training which gives you 25% experience to start with, but +52% leader skill means that the division commander is skill level 5 - which is possible for a super-important German breakthrough division, but not all of them, or very many. Germany has a handful of skill 5 leaders to start with (von Rundstedt, von Kleist, von Manstein, Guderian and Rommel) unless BICE has pumped up leader skills, and they are usually better served as HG/Armee commanders. And that territorial pride is a sick joke. Finally, if you had up-to-date AT and infantry AT techs, you should be able to pierce all German tanks at the same level. Pdox made it very logical - infantry AT pierces equal level light armour, and AT-brigade pierces equal level medium armour. Apparently BICE has changed that, or alternatively gives AI tank units extra armour. Not to mention that 19.8 piercing that a '39 motorized infantry division has - NUTS!

    If HPP doesn't work, try TRP, as it has an actually improved AI instead of cheats, as it's done by Lothos. There's been a lot of talk at Pdox forums that TFH should have included Lothos AI changes the way it included community map project. RPM2 focuses on majors at the moment, so Potato is no fun, and DWI focuses on Germany, so same problem.
     
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  12. WhiskeyWolf RPG Codex Polish Car Thief Patron

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    What's with that Nazi flag/symbol?
     
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  13. Corporate_Jew_Master Arcane

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    This. Fuck Historical Cheesability Project, it's almost as bad as BICE in some regards.
     
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    650% efficiency!
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    Also that shit filter on the flags looks like well... shit.
     
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  16. The Brazilian Slaughter Arcane

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    POLAND FIRST TO FIGHT!
    CHARGE INTO THE NEXT PAGE!
     
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  17. Cassidy Arcane

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    Don't worry. My KKKodex micromod will fix the German flag to the real one because this isn't an Internet forum full of the kind of idiotic rules that were written by

    liberals

    And Swedes welcoming Islam to enrich their country.

    Therefore

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    Although already made proper Nazi flags ready to be added to the gfx folder are more than welcome.

    PS: German ban on Swastika will be over once Germany has their first ethnically kebab president

    :troll:

    *Edit: Easier than I thought. Now my immersion is complete.

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  18. Vaarna_Aarne Notorious Internet Vandal Patron

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    Germany has the largest number of skill 5 leaders even by default, and the highest average max quality setting too. BICE adds more, but I think it's actually possible to have an entire panzer army without nothing but skill 5 generals even in vanilla TFH by 1939.

    Me, I haven't updated my BICE since Spring 2013 (changes seem pretty big, Poland has a LOT more leadership than before for example), so I'm out of the loop regarding the newest cheats (they were never quite this bad, obviously), but if you want to prevent the AI from triggering the Revenge modifier (I assume that's what this is) and other AI cheat modifiers, you can take a look at specials.txt at the Decisions folder, and add in a line like "POL = { ai = yes }" to potential section so the AI cannot use the cheat if Poland is player-controlled. Personally I would have done just that or made a third version of the modifier and decision for the situation where Poland is player-controlled.

    Also, if I'm correct, the primary reason for 652.40% level modifier is because you were fighting in provinces that were German cores (there's possibly new bonuses on top of the old RevengeAI modifier; the key here is that Territorial Pride is a bonus that multiplies all the other bonuses). That is a bad idea even without AI version of the modifiers, because the Axis have additional Territorial Pride bonuses anyway. The best method of defence would have been locating to a point point after the German cores that's defensible terrain (if available), and hopefully having enough Land Forts built before the war begins (early game Infantry is mincemeat against German panzers without either land forts or really rough terrain). Similarly, if it's like it used to be, Autarky event shouldn't be accepted until after you've got six new IC built, since IC is more valuable than resources even in Poland's position (only majors benefit from Autarky right off the bat, with the possible exception of the Kwa which has monstrous amounts of resources on top of monstrous IC anyway). Also send a L-L request to the Kwa as soon as you have the option, or any big major you've got access to, you'll see your IC more than doubled, which allows you to dedicate a portion to permanent IC building that then allows you to improve your resource and tech base (you may want to check if the Leadership lab building event is still there, and if it actually has a frequency that's more than once-in-a-blue-moon level).

    I actually couldn't say how Poland turns out back in the version I'm using if player-controlled, since my Poland campaign always crashed before May 1936 without exception.


    Generally speaking BICE (at least before) managed to have a better degree of historical path with the possibility of minor influence to swing the tide. The event modifiers put more shifts in iniative overall, though BICE ended up swinging things a bit too far in Germany's favour from vanilla where Germany always ended up being completely overrun by USSR by 1942.
     
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  19. Average Manatee Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    You think that's bad? I've seen 1400% Atk/Def the last time I played (and by played I mean laughed at) Black ICE.

    If you want to win use ART/ART/ART/ART/AT. Because for some reason ART has the highest Soft Attack (100-150 for the regiment if you hit all of the random upgrades scattered everywhere) yet costs less IC than Infantry. Because Black ICE is retarded. Stack 10-15 of those in every province and gg no re hitler. Even German hax fail when you have literally thousands of SA in a battle (BICE is also broken in that you can completely remove stacking penalties by research).

    Also if you game the strategic effects and bonuses you CAN produce all units at 50% experience IIRC. Poland doesn't really have time to do this, but player France/England can do it easily. Germany in this case doesn't and the AI just cheats.

    AI Japan got special cheats that gave it around 6000 manpower when I checked it during my BICE game. Because... I dunno. I think someone complained that Japan couldn't defend it's home island and the idiots behind BICE decided a few million more men was the fix.



    On another note let me throw in a recommendation for HPP. It's alright. Get the latest MP patch from the forums which makes it quite balanced (though a few things are still a bit screwy).
     
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  20. Vaarna_Aarne Notorious Internet Vandal Patron

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    Eeeexcept the whole thing about a zero width division working is just a pile of horseshit. Support brigades without combat brigades involved in the battle will automatically lose any combat.
     
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  21. Average Manatee Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    In BICE Artillery is at 0.5 width actually. And there is a tech that gives them -.1 width per level, so you can get them down to 0.1 width. Gotta stop the tech though or you'll take them down to 0 width, which means they can't fight alone anymore.

    Hilariously enough, the tech actually goes yet another level and Artillery can have -0.1 width. Negative width units. If you stack 4 -0.1 width Artillery with 1 0.5 width unit (ART/ART/ART/ART/MSUP instead of ART/ART/ART/ART/AT) you can have 100 0.1 width divisions in a 10 frontage front. And they will have no stacking penalty if you research the right tech lines. Such an amazing mod.

    I could pretty much go on forever about how shit Black ICE is if you want. It's such a clusterfuck of bad design that it's a pleasure to play it now and again and observe how horrible everything is.

    It does have a nice map though.
     
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  22. Vaarna_Aarne Notorious Internet Vandal Patron

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    If that is true, that has been changed since Spring 2013, since in the files in the version I use do still have zero width for artillery.

    And of course, the version I use doesn't have an altered map.
     
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  23. Average Manatee Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    It's been that way for quite a while. You have to actually making units with Artillery and pay attention to the division performance since most areas of the game round down the stat display.
     
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  24. Cassidy Arcane

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    TRP is balanced when it comes to tech and combat modifiers, but if that is a more accurate representation of reality, I see why Poland never had a chance.

    Shitty Officers/Brigade ratio in 1936 and only 8 leadership points at start(the tech tree in TRP was pruned, but the shitty officer ratio fucks Poland hard). Add to that Volunteer Army laws which means -50% officer recruitment, making any leadership put in officer recruitment very inefficient, only 25% of strength and organization at peacetime plus manpower rotation, and can only be changed in early 1939. So either stick to the starting OOB, upgrade the Cavalry and maybe some Inf too into Mot to serve as a better mobile reinforcement and do some research of the Superior Firepower land doctrine to make them effective, while building as many land forts as you can hoping for a miracle because holding Germany with the starting OOB of Poland, even if upgraded, is

    :hero:

    Or to expand an army doomed into obsolescence and being pounded hard by panzers by sacrificing precious research and investing most leadership inefficiently in officer recruitment to support it instead.

    Or doing a balance of both and seeing divisions shatter due to shitty Officers/Brigade ratio.

    :negative:
     
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